The infamous ultimate supercar thread.

[Boffin]

I am VERY interested in joining this team!

I have been interested in supercars ever since I was 3.
I am quite opinionated but am willing to listen to everyone and sort out any problems. People say I am a good person to work with in a group.

After reading quality car magazines such as EVO for my whole life, I have a general knowledge of how a car is to behave and what other performance features I'd have in a car.

I think I would best serve in the design and technical suggestion (engines, layout, drivetrain etc.) and project management categories. If I am old enough at the time, testing would be another one of my fortes.

I can design things - no way saying I'm the best, but I sort of know what's hot and what's not. I would say I would leave the whole car up to someone else but I could diffinatly imput some great ideas to make it easier to live with or performance wise. Given the chance, I'd LOVE to create the whole car, but realistically, after seeing some of the Graphic design stuff on GTP, I havn't a chance.

If there was one thing I'd look for in a supercar, it'd be versatility. Much like porsche (although I think they take it too far), a true ultimate supercar would have to perform in all weather and traffic conditions. Whats the point of making something one could only use on a dry summer's day on a quite country road? If it doesn't perform hear, sceptics will class it in the same category as the F40 and Carrera GT as utterly hopeless for 364 days a year.

I am 17 (18 in July) and currently in my final year at school. After that, it is a possibility to travel to Mt Fuji, but it's unlikly.

Please please please consider

80Y

 

[Eric.]

Yeah... i know about the whole fusing engines thing... i haven't tried it before... obviously i cant just put them together. I will have to change up the timing and possibly the timing order... and re-"wire" the whole thing for VDS. wonderful... and i think inventor also does cam design...

must log off for today. time to sleep around here... keep the suggestions coming!

How about starting small with a single turbo Hayabusa V8 car the size of a AW11 MR2?

 

[Famine]

Just a thought - if you're going for superchargers AND an electric hybrid engine, have you considered marrying the two technologies and utilising an electric supercharger?

 

[niky]

Just a thought - if you're going for superchargers AND an electric hybrid engine, have you considered marrying the two technologies and utilising an electric supercharger?

 

[eiriksmil]

I am VERY interested in joining this team!

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I am 17 (18 in July) and currently in my final year at school. After that, it is a possibility to travel to Mt Fuji, but it's unlikly.

Please please please consider

80Y

This is the problem with this topic..

 

[Boffin]

To all GTPers -
...
The project will not begin for a while - I am still completing college and grad school. Age is no object - I don't care if you're 14 or 40 or anywhere between or over.

Enjoy!

Unlikly that i'll be testing anything, or travelling, but one can always hope 👍

 

[Mark T]

Just a thought - if you're going for superchargers AND an electric hybrid engine, have you considered marrying the two technologies and utilising an electric supercharger?

👍

That Impreza on Barrys Boys was horrendous!

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I think this is a secret account of Doug's. Just my theory.

Good catch

 

[Philly]

i will use off-the-shelf parts for a lot, but remember, for things like the chassis, the body, and the drivetrain, you can't really compromise. you have to go custom.

Koenigsegg used a Ford V8. Pagani uses a Mercedes V12. McLaren used a BMW powerplant. There is no shame in using an existing drivetrain for a supercar project. You don't want to have to spend the money making something brand new unless you know that your efforts will pay off in sales. Koenigsegg and Saleen use their own engines now, but they know that they are established companies, and that people will buy their cars.

And all those companies came from people with deep pockets and a lot of experience. So they had much better odds at succeeding in their dream than you do. If you really do want to develop your own engine, (which I agree would be very cool) wait a generation or two.

If there was one thing I'd look for in a supercar, it'd be versatility. Much like porsche (although I think they take it too far), a true ultimate supercar would have to perform in all weather and traffic conditions. Whats the point of making something one could only use on a dry summer's day on a quite country road? If it doesn't perform hear, sceptics will class it in the same category as the F40 and Carrera GT as utterly hopeless for 364 days a year.

I disagree entirely. A supercar can easily be something that is usable every day in all weather. If you want to build a true, ultimate, thoroughbred supercar, the F40 and CGT are the best things to look at. The ultimate supercar shouldn't make any compromises in the way of usability. I'm not necessarily talking about building a track car (which won't necessarily be the right direction if you're trying to establish a good company). But you don't need to design a Lamborghini that seems to be designed with day to day usability in mind. It's that compromise that makes the Murcielago seem rather pedestrian compared to something like a Countach.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

Koenigsegg used a Ford V8. Pagani uses a Mercedes V12. McLaren used a BMW powerplant. There is no shame in using an existing drivetrain for a supercar project. You don't want to have to spend the money making something brand new unless you know that your efforts will pay off in sales. Koenigsegg and Saleen use their own engines now, but they know that they are established companies, and that people will buy their cars.

And all those companies came from people with deep pockets and a lot of experience. So they had much better odds at succeeding in their dream than you do. If you really do want to develop your own engine, (which I agree would be very cool) wait a generation or two.



I disagree entirely. A supercar can easily be something that is usable every day in all weather. If you want to build a true, ultimate, thoroughbred supercar, the F40 and CGT are the best things to look at. The ultimate supercar shouldn't make any compromises in the way of usability. I'm not necessarily talking about building a track car (which won't necessarily be the right direction if you're trying to establish a good company). But you don't need to design a Lamborghini that seems to be designed with day to day usability in mind. It's that compromise that makes the Murcielago seem rather pedestrian compared to something like a Countach.

The BMW engine in the McLaren was created specifically for that purpose.

Cars like the F40 and CGT are usable almost everyday if you understand how to drive them to suit the conditions, and don't mind them stacking up some serious mileage (and depreciation).

 

[MinoltaMan89]

There is another important part of a true supercar: styling. Have you drawn any rough sketches yet?

It was a question.

 

[TsLeng]

I applaud the enthusiasm of wanting to built a supercar....but then..
Based on the answers, I can already pick up a few reasons why you (mPWRD) have a long long long long long way to go.

I am lazy to quote here...so am purely going by memory and impression.
It seems to me that you clearly do not have a plan. You are just making things up as you go along...picking up on other's suggestions(2 pt\rototypes initially..now 3). Custom engines in the beginning and now a production engine?

You mentioned you will sell in limited numbers and it DEPENDS on the customer as well. HAHAHA so what...oh..I don't really like you....sorry, won't sell. NEXT! Ahhh...you are great...be my best friend! free sat nav for you! Sold!
What a ridiculous idea and proves your naiveness

You mentioned something about testing.....ya...crash testing.....a shell for crash testing? WHat? and you asked if the engine was needed!?
And you are supposed to figure out how to make a V12.... mate an engine to a transmission..and what not. Inexperience and lack of skills exposed.

Thats all I am going to say.

BTW... M5Power..... mPWRD .... sounds similar huh.

 

[mPWRD]

Just a thought - if you're going for superchargers AND an electric hybrid engine, have you considered marrying the two technologies and utilising an electric supercharger?

Interesting, before i looked into how much power that saps out of the battery. You pretty much need a whole batter for that. And I already said that i will not implement a hybrid powertrain for a while.

Good catch

Who on earth is Doug?

Koenigsegg used a Ford V8. Pagani uses a Mercedes V12. McLaren used a BMW powerplant. There is no shame in using an existing drivetrain for a supercar project. You don't want to have to spend the money making something brand new unless you know that your efforts will pay off in sales. Koenigsegg and Saleen use their own engines now, but they know that they are established companies, and that people will buy their cars.

I disagree entirely. A supercar can easily be something that is usable every day in all weather. If you want to build a true, ultimate, thoroughbred supercar, the F40 and CGT are the best things to look at. The ultimate supercar shouldn't make any compromises in the way of usability. I'm not necessarily talking about building a track car (which won't necessarily be the right direction if you're trying to establish a good company). But you don't need to design a Lamborghini that seems to be designed with day to day usability in mind. It's that compromise that makes the Murcielago seem rather pedestrian compared to something like a Countach.

@first paragraph: If you read a few earlier posts, I am trying to see if "fusing" two BMW I-6 engines or just trying to buy the 6.0L V12 is a better idea... probably the latter. And by drivetrain i meant things like the diff, the axles, the steering rack, engine goes in powertrain (by my classifications)

@second: That was someone who was interested in working on the project. He was merely expressing his opinion, not looking for a debate. Sorry I didn't clarify.

There is another important part of a true supercar: styling. Have you drawn any rough sketches yet?

It was a question.

Hahah... I am a terrible artist, therefore I have not. That's not to say i havent tried...

I applaud the enthusiasm of wanting to built a supercar....but then..
Based on the answers, I can already pick up a few reasons why you (mPWRD) have a long long long long long way to go.

I am lazy to quote here...so am purely going by memory and impression.
It seems to me that you clearly do not have a plan. You are just making things up as you go along...picking up on other's suggestions(2 pt\rototypes initially..now 3). Custom engines in the beginning and now a production engine?

You mentioned you will sell in limited numbers and it DEPENDS on the customer as well. HAHAHA so what...oh..I don't really like you....sorry, won't sell. NEXT! Ahhh...you are great...be my best friend! free sat nav for you! Sold!
What a ridiculous idea and proves your naiveness

You mentioned something about testing.....ya...crash testing.....a shell for crash testing? WHat? and you asked if the engine was needed!?
And you are supposed to figure out how to make a V12.... mate an engine to a transmission..and what not. Inexperience and lack of skills exposed.

Thats all I am going to say.

BTW... M5Power..... mPWRD .... sounds similar huh.

I am curious, did you read the title of the thread? Pessimism UNWELCOME, thank you very much. Since it's pointless attempting to reason with some of you people, I will simply address your "concerns" in order.

First, I have had to modify plans because, as many of you have commented, my plans were quite idealistic. A small dose of pragmatism has allowed me to see a bit of sense, and tone it down a little bit. Every carmaker has to make compromises.

Second, when I say it depends on the customer, it's not who it is, but what he or she wants. If you can afford something like this (it's not going to be cheap), you will probably want to add your own personal touch. Customers will be selected on how passionate they are (I don't want any of these sitting in a collection, rotting away), but I WILL NOT choose depending on how much I like them. Where on earth did you get that from?

Third, if you have ever seen a crash test, you will know that they position the car in a groove, which moves them at a certain speed. I am merely wondering if it's worth wasting an engine on that particular prototype. And as for your comments about the custom engine, that's coming. But not for a while.

And may I ask: why the comparison with M5Power (whom i know almost nothing about)?

 

[MinoltaMan89]

The car needs to look outrageous but needs to have good aerodynamics and a lot of downforce. Another question, what are you going to call it?

EDIT: Doug is M5Power. They are saying that because this sounds like something he would do.

 

[mPWRD]

The car needs to look outrageous but needs to have good aerodynamics and a lot of downforce. Another question, what are you going to call it?

EDIT: Doug is M5Power. They are saying that because this sounds like something he would do.

it doesn't really have to look outrageous to be effective. And i'm tentatively going to call it Project Diamond. The name will be announced when I release final plans ... partly because I don't know what to call it.

 

[Azuremen]

You need to have the engine in the shell for proper testing, due to the mass of the engine changing how much energy the car has at speed, since engines can be over 40% of the mass of the car with drivetrain.

You can't just smash a hollow shell and get the same results as a fully built car. Sorry.

 

[mPWRD]

That's what i was wondering... ok will do anyway.

 

[YSSMAN]

And may I ask: why the comparison with M5Power (whom i know almost nothing about)?

Who told you that Doug = M5Power? Hmmm?

Hows the A4 running these days?

 

[Azuremen]

Who told you that Doug = M5Power? Hmmm?

Hows the A4 running these days?

MinoltaMan told him that Doug = M5Power.

Still, this could very well be Doug trolling us all. It certainly wouldn't be the most over the top lie/trolling he has done before.

 

[Tornado]

MinoltaMan told him that Doug = M5Power.

An hour after he made the post asking about the comparison...

 

[mPWRD]

So? does that mean anything? have one of the mods run an ip scan if youre absolutely desperate.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

We all know how easy it is to change IPs

 

[mPWRD]

Look. I'm no tech junkie. Either way, you're deviating from the purpose of the thread. And if I'm "trolling", then why in hell are you still posting here?

 

[Leonidae]

don't get worked up.. that's what these kids want.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

don't get worked up.. that's what these kids want.

I thought the current theory was that mPWRD is the one trying to ruffle feathers?

 

[Azuremen]

I thought the current theory was that mPWRD is the one trying to ruffle feathers?

Most of us. Leonidae thinks he is somehow above us and thus calling us kids.

Or something.

I could easily see this being Doug though.

 

[mPWRD]

Well, Mr. Junkie claims that he is 15, making him a kid.

And don't worry, Leonidae... these unambitious people aren't working anyone up... i just find it ironic how the trolls are passing off the trolling accusation on someone else.

 

[Azuremen]

And if you weren't trolling, you'd just ignore them completely.

Most of us haven't been trolling you, but asking real questions. You however, get all uppity and such, which is quite, well, amusing.

And changing IPs is pretty much...

1. Google Proxy
2. Click button
3. ??????
4. Profit!

 

[neanderthal]

Doomed to fail.
This guy clearly knows better than people who better than he does.
And, as pointed out, he is not set in exactly what he is trying to achieve.

I'm not sure if he realises how much power is required to go 250mph. And the aero work required to make that happen. And the heat dissipation required to make the power to go that fast. And the loading this will put on sundry items like, oh, i dont know, rear view mirrors. Door seals. Transmission cooling lines.


Part of the reason why the Veyron weighs so much is because it can be used everyday. This requires engineering compromises versus a simple top speed car; adds complexity and weight, and caused the delay of the whole thing. Of all the other cars that have attempted the top speed record, how many could be driven daily? In all climates? In serene comfort?

Exactly!!!!

Nota bene. CvK started with a fortune.

 

[Eric.]

Or...

1. Run cmd.exe
2. ip /renew
3. ?????
4. Profit!

I think. That's just from memory though.