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If they do that, then Ferrari and Porsche will be way behind
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If they do that, then Ferrari and Porsche will be way behind
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Ferrari has bigger engines they can use if needed but they are fast even without large displacement. Porsche is screwed if the displacement rules open up not like Porsche was even a threat anyway. They need a new car yesterday, hopfully the 991 RSR is faster than the old 997.
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Then why not go by power regs and limit horsepower to a certain number and free up the displacement rules?
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The ACO just makes things more complicated than it really should be. GT racing should be about having as many different solutions packed into one grid.
Have a rotary? Cool. Have an N/A V12? Awesome. Have a turbo-4? Legit.
So long as your engine doesn't go over this number, then you can jump in.
The problem with waivers is that it makes your original regulations seem powerless from the get-go and it introduces automotive politics into the realm of fair competition. On top of that, making waivers only seem to make other teams spend more to offset any performance hindrance they perceive in comparison to the waiver entitled car.
Have a rotary? Cool. Have an N/A V12? Awesome. Have a turbo-4? Legit.
So long as your engine doesn't go over this number, then you can jump in.
The problem with waivers is that it makes your original regulations seem powerless from the get-go and it introduces automotive politics into the realm of fair competition. On top of that, making waivers only seem to make other teams spend more to offset any performance hindrance they perceive in comparison to the waiver entitled car.
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They use air restrictors, which limit the horsepower anyway.
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http://rebellion-racing.com/121205.html# Rebellion confirm a Full-season ALMS entrant, 2 at Sebring, still working on the WEC.
Sounds like Rebellion have had enough of being overshadowed by the manufacturer teams. I dont blame them. LMP1 giants Audi and Toyota want to win, and dont have as much money as, say, Strakka. If the WEC wants to gain any traction in LMP1, Honda need to jump feet-first and start supporting Strakka and Muscle Milk the same way Audi supports Joest, and Toyota supports Oreca.
Sounds like Rebellion have had enough of being overshadowed by the manufacturer teams. I dont blame them. LMP1 giants Audi and Toyota want to win, and dont have as much money as, say, Strakka. If the WEC wants to gain any traction in LMP1, Honda need to jump feet-first and start supporting Strakka and Muscle Milk the same way Audi supports Joest, and Toyota supports Oreca.
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I'm just glad We actually have a actual LMP1 battle and not a "Whenever Dyson doesn't break" battle. Sure Muscle Milk hasn't goen without trouble themselfs, but they were more like temporary glitches.
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Dyson were quite of the pace this year though. If the Honda had half as many issues, it would have been over rather quickly.
That finish at Road America though... as close as it was, another lap and they would have had him. It's almost as if Muscle Milk wanted to engineer close finishes.
If Dyson get their act together, a 3-way battle would look pretty awesome this season.
And I want them to hurry up and finalise the LMP2 entrants. Conquest and Level 5 (If it's as close as last year) should still be fairly close though.
In other news: Audi are so confident in their 2013 car that they spent the time to design some furniture.
That finish at Road America though... as close as it was, another lap and they would have had him. It's almost as if Muscle Milk wanted to engineer close finishes.
If Dyson get their act together, a 3-way battle would look pretty awesome this season.
And I want them to hurry up and finalise the LMP2 entrants. Conquest and Level 5 (If it's as close as last year) should still be fairly close though.
In other news: Audi are so confident in their 2013 car that they spent the time to design some furniture.
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Totally agree. I don't know why the ACO don't setup the engines displacements to give V8s and V10s and regulate the others, it doesn't make sense to me. If your running a Viper GTS-R with a 8.4L and it's competition is the RSR 911. Should you try and give the team say Flying Lizard the ability to increase the displacement for more HP and ft-lbs of the flat-6, plus an option for a turbo/supercharged unit to make it fair?
And I like your idea brownkid. If Mazda has a rotary 26B and it qualifies, it legit. If Jaguar, Nissan, Aston and BMW are running their motors and they followed the rules and got the power to compete with the Viper. It's legit. No problems, and it's a fair race. Am I right or?
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I believe they did give the Lizards a little more power this past year.
Does the air restricter give you slightly better fuel economy?
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Doesn't even matter, they (Rebellion) had 6 wins amongst the privateers out of 8 rounds in the WEC. They're the team to beat in that class, not Strakka. 👍
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But they aren't recognized as a different class. They don't get to make headlines or anything because of the manufacturers teams
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It's not power that's a problem really, it's the torque. If you have a 4.0 Litre flat six Porsche and an 8l Viper V10 both with ~485bhp the bigger engine will always be stronger, which is why the GT2/GTE 'Vette suddenly made all the GTE stuff look slow in the straights when it first arrived.
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They could always use the good old weight penalty system to even things out a bit, but even then, it has its faults.
In the Viper's case, its displacement does mean it makes a lot more torque than all the others, but it doesn't rev as high as say, the Porsches or Ferraris, which means it isn't peaky, and can pull itself out of tight corners with ease, without having to rev to the stratosphere. But I'm pretty sure an 8.2l V10 consumes a bit more fuel than a 4.0l Flat-6. Not so much a factor on a 2hr sprint, and quite a big one during a 24hr race.
In the Viper's case, its displacement does mean it makes a lot more torque than all the others, but it doesn't rev as high as say, the Porsches or Ferraris, which means it isn't peaky, and can pull itself out of tight corners with ease, without having to rev to the stratosphere. But I'm pretty sure an 8.2l V10 consumes a bit more fuel than a 4.0l Flat-6. Not so much a factor on a 2hr sprint, and quite a big one during a 24hr race.
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Not sure if its been posted but heres an article about Porsches LMP1 effort
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/le-mans-porsche-lmp1-rollout-set-for-mid-2013/
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/le-mans-porsche-lmp1-rollout-set-for-mid-2013/
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That's excellent news. I can't wait to see what the car looks like. Has this been posted?
http://skiddmark.com/2012/12/introducing-the-all-new-2013-porsche-911-gt3-cup/
Is this what the Lizards will be driving?
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Correct me if I'm wrong guys but isn't the GT3 Cup the car that is used in GTC in the ALMS? So going on my logic no this isn't the car they'll be using.
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Ah. I heard about Porsche pulling support from teams but I didn't know that Flying Lizards were going to GTC. I guess I should pay more attention. 
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Audi have literally this last couple minutes confirmed their WEC programme. (hope I am not late 
Marc Gene in an Audi for Spa and Le Mans. 3 Audi's for Le Mans.
Marc Gene in an Audi for Spa and Le Mans. 3 Audi's for Le Mans.
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