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Thing is though, that was the actual race.
The Sebring tests have had small fields many times only to boast a field thats far bigger months later at the actual race. Some teams like Corvette are probably aren't there because there's not much to test. As said, BMW hasn't revealed their Z4 GTE car yet and as far as the TRG-Aston Martin Deal, it hasn't "flopped" just because they weren't there. Hell, they just showed the GTE Vantage so naturally they didn't show up.
He appears under the impression that low numbers at a test automatically means no good for an actual race, which again has been proven wrong many times with the ALMS.
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I'm hoping for a large field as well. I want to watch the race. I've watched it off and on over the years. The gt races are great. I'm ready for grand am gt to mix it up even more. Besides trg, any other grand am regulars running? It would be useless for me to have an internet war because we will be all one series next year, so arguing is futile at this point.
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Speed has the entry list at 64 cars: 34 ALMS and 30 FIA-WEC entrants, sounds like a race to me 👍
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That must be last year's. Only Audi (And possibly Aston Martin) are running from the WEC.
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TRG won't be there. They don't have the funds for the Aston Martin. And compare the Daytona 24 to the Sebring 12 hours, not the Sebring TEST. Audi will be there with two cars, MMilk, 2 Rebellions, Dyson (x2 possible), Strakka and that's just LMP1. Grand AM GT is as slow as GTC. The ALMS GTE cars are much faster than GA GT's. They're only a couple seconds slower than DP at other tracks. In fact, when GT1 was around and Corvette were running, they were faster than the DPs.
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Strakka are running Sebring? Since when?
The TRG is in doubt, but the Mucke/Turner/? Aston will be there, as well as one driven by Dalla Lana and 2 others.
And yeah, Grand Am had a big test. Neat. That has nothing to do with the size of an ALMS field.
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That would explain why the link to the list was broken, the article did say 2013 though. Why is the ALMS so slow at updating their site? They probably won't get the entry list up until after the race
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Strakka were rumored, not sure if it's confirmed. Should have clarified that.
Aston Martin will be at Sebring, but doubtful TRG will be able to field an AM Vantage for ALMS. I was hopeful they'd be there and do Aston Martin well, but doesn't look likely.
Aston Martin will be at Sebring, but doubtful TRG will be able to field an AM Vantage for ALMS. I was hopeful they'd be there and do Aston Martin well, but doesn't look likely.
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That would explain why the link to the list was broken, the article did say 2013 though. Why is the ALMS so slow at updating their site? They probably won't get the entry list up until after the race
The race IS more than a month away...
And TRG usually has some kind of GTC car. Just axe those.
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Gte: michalen and falken tires, carbon/ceramic brakes, traction control, and huge manufacturer budgets.
DP: continental tires, ZERO driving aids, steel brakes, and ALL privateer teams.
LMP: carbon tubs, michalen tires, traction control, changeable downforce body kits, and carbon brakes.
How many cars is Dagys predicting this year? He's usualy right.
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GA DP- 1 spec car, 1 spec tire, 1 spec racing
ALMS LMP- non spec car, non spec tire, non spec racing
No one cares what Dagys is predicting. GA has bought ALMS. No one really feels the need to step up with huge efforts in LMP when you're probably going to be shown the door next year.
And seriously, if you pay any type of attention, GA on a good day never sees the crowds an ALMS event does.
ALMS LMP- non spec car, non spec tire, non spec racing
No one cares what Dagys is predicting. GA has bought ALMS. No one really feels the need to step up with huge efforts in LMP when you're probably going to be shown the door next year.
And seriously, if you pay any type of attention, GA on a good day never sees the crowds an ALMS event does.
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Yeah, I know what the classes are for my favorite form of racing. Whats your point? Plus, Spirit of Daytona isn't really a private team. And Ganassi isn't a Manufacturer team in the same way AF Corse isn't.
Dagys thought it would be high 30's. Since then the LMP2 field has dropped off the planet, but that was only 3 or 4 anyways.
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P2 would just be a Scott Tucker affair. He owns 4 LMP2 cars. Dempsey chose GT instead of P2, so there's no competition = no reason to run.
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Exactly. Bummer that the Conquest car had to make it's departure.
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Ga DP: 13 cars full season. There are 5 different chassis competing at cota.... Spec tire to keep cost down and to keep tire companies from rigging the results. Not spec racing. PC is spec. DP, you are allowed to run your own suspension as long as its approved. That keeps cost down, and keeps the gap between cars less for more passing.
Alms LMP: p1....4 cars maybe. P2.....0 cars full season. PC(similar to the DP) maybe 10 entries... The average gap in p1 is over a second between cars. P2 is more of the same. Oh, but NASCAR isn't involved in alms.
You choose. I'm obviously grand am. I'm fine with the alms guys too. I want more cars on the grid.
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Show me numbers. Who's everybody? I can't find any attendance numbers from either series. Until we see numbers, who knows how many fans are at each race. I'm equally as thrilled if there are more ALMS fans because that means that many more fans will be added to Grand-Am's total.
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Having gone to both the Grand Am and ALMS events at Lime Rock in the same year, they both are better for different reasons.
The grand am event had a LOT of people there. But most of those people couldn't tell the Riley from the Corvette. Most of them were sitting in their pick up trucks, sipping adult beverages.
We parked next to one group of people that didn't leave their pick up for the entire day.
The atmosphere is much better at the ALMS race. Everyone seems to have an idea of what is going on and can identify and appreciate certain elements of the race. They know a good pass when they see one and get disgusted, not excited when someone crashes into someone else.
The grand am event had a LOT of people there. But most of those people couldn't tell the Riley from the Corvette. Most of them were sitting in their pick up trucks, sipping adult beverages.
We parked next to one group of people that didn't leave their pick up for the entire day.
The atmosphere is much better at the ALMS race. Everyone seems to have an idea of what is going on and can identify and appreciate certain elements of the race. They know a good pass when they see one and get disgusted, not excited when someone crashes into someone else.
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