The Le Mans General Discussion Thread
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- cnd01
Yet another *insert manufacturer here* is interesting in racing Le Mans article. If I had a dollar for every one of those Dagys articles, I could field a winning 4 car LMP-HY team. Neat if it happens, but there's no hard facts and a whole lot of "we think this is what they mean by..."
The SARD entry looks cool if it happens
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Dagys isnt the original Author. The first talk of this was weeks ago by Auto Express! The original source is Endurance-Info in an interview during the 1000km of Suzuka on Sunday. Added, there isnt any "we think" assumptions. There is, however quotes from STI President Yoshio Hirakawa...
Nothing there is an assumption. Its just as titled, Subaru is definitely interested in lmp1-h.
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Youre off topic. INTEREST in lmp1 by Subaru is the topic. Not its cost. The head of sti is quoted as saying its on their map while gt500 isnt. Doesnt get much more specific. If you bothered or read the Auto Express article youd understand Subaru wants to race to promote their upcoming hybrid vehicles. Theres only two places aside from Super GT you can do that. Lmp1 and F1. The latter is out of question, and so is gt500.
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I'm saying something is rather coincidental in SARD expressing an interest in a LM programme and then Subaru barely 24 hours later. Remember Toyota / Subaru have ties and link ups. Wouldn't be surprised if some collobaration happens.
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cnd01, what are you not understanding?
Point is more manufacterers are interested in the LMP-H class. Nowhere is the article claiming that they are going to, only that they are showing interest and that in itself is good for sportscar racing.
Point is more manufacterers are interested in the LMP-H class. Nowhere is the article claiming that they are going to, only that they are showing interest and that in itself is good for sportscar racing.
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Interest doesn't really mean too much. That's my point. The article is just about copy/paste from the Honda LMP1 interest earlier this year that's now abandoned because no one wanted to fund it. Yea it's good that people want to race, but it's really pointless if you have something that potential entrants say "I'd like to race it someday" instead of "We're racing. Here's our car, sponsors/renters, etc."
I want to race too. Can I has LMP1-HY now? You're separating a sales pitch/rumor from what's likely to happen. These "articles" have been the same for years. They're meant to generate website traffic rather than actually say what's happening because quite frankly, rumors are more interesting than the series itself half the time
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Two things-
1. The 'honda lmp1' was NOT honda, but hpd looking for customers to buy a chassis. There was little interest for it. A few reasons like price, engine and supply. Subaru isn't looking for customers to buy an lmp1 chassis, theyd be entering lmp-H (hybrid) and only MANUFACTURER's can be in that class. The hpd would be lmp1-L but they canned it for reasons above and because lmp1-L doesnt allow hybrids (which the engine would've been). Honda is interested in F1, so hpd isnt getting funded by them to do lmp1-H.
2. Subaru isnt making up rumors, and the story isnt a rumor. Thats your only argument. Its a weak argument at that, imo. The article is quoting the president of Subaru Technica International. The guy in charge of all of their racing projects. Hes speaking of their future racing projects. GT300, N24, maybe gt3 (if they have a model for it) and lmp1-H. He describes Subaru is racing to promote their road cars. The future is hybrids, as indicated in the Auto Express article. They will promote that by racing a hybrid car. He dismisses GT500, F1 is obviously out of the picture, WRC has no hybrids and Subaru has no eligible cars (like GT3). That leaves one thing- lmp-H.
Nothing else needs to be said. See you in a couple years Subaru
1. The 'honda lmp1' was NOT honda, but hpd looking for customers to buy a chassis. There was little interest for it. A few reasons like price, engine and supply. Subaru isn't looking for customers to buy an lmp1 chassis, theyd be entering lmp-H (hybrid) and only MANUFACTURER's can be in that class. The hpd would be lmp1-L but they canned it for reasons above and because lmp1-L doesnt allow hybrids (which the engine would've been). Honda is interested in F1, so hpd isnt getting funded by them to do lmp1-H.
2. Subaru isnt making up rumors, and the story isnt a rumor. Thats your only argument. Its a weak argument at that, imo. The article is quoting the president of Subaru Technica International. The guy in charge of all of their racing projects. Hes speaking of their future racing projects. GT300, N24, maybe gt3 (if they have a model for it) and lmp1-H. He describes Subaru is racing to promote their road cars. The future is hybrids, as indicated in the Auto Express article. They will promote that by racing a hybrid car. He dismisses GT500, F1 is obviously out of the picture, WRC has no hybrids and Subaru has no eligible cars (like GT3). That leaves one thing- lmp-H.
Nothing else needs to be said. See you in a couple years Subaru
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So basically you're saying all the websites made it up this news just for site views, nevermind that these were actually said by the man in charge.
Also, there's a huge difference between you saying "I want to race" and a big manufacturer saying "We're interested", the main part being that the first one is what everyone wants to do while the last part is actual taking keen interest (as in actually watching the developments as opposed to just saying "I want to race" as well as sharing the intent should they decide. That's not just a PR stunt, otherwise Subaru could've just said themselves without people just looking for an article to make page views.
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Yea that'll happen for sure. One guy in charge of the performance dept said that he hopes to race new technology, so that means they'll get the okay from above him for a humongous budget and field cars regardless of what may or may not happen in the meantime. There were alternative places for them to go (WRC that they've already had a history of competing in with success) listed in the article, but what do I know. I expect to see them with 2 LMP1-HY cars in 2016 or else the STI guy is a big fat liar or everyone will forget about it because another mfr. will make similar claimsNothing else needs to be said. See you in a couple years Subaru
The HPD guy from Honda sure made it seem like they already had the greenlight on their LMP1 program. They just needed funding...
Once again, it doesn't matter who the customer is. Until the check clears and cars are built, it's nothing more than a rumor/sales pitch.
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A sales pitch or rumor? You're oblivious to the whole story. Auto Express (~3 weeks ago) talked about SUBARU (not STI's president) racing hybrids in the near future to promote their hybrid road cars. This is fact, not rumor. The Auto Express article explained they will race with a hybrid car INSTEAD of making a small CUV. The budget is much larger to develop and produce a new vehicle than to do a new race program.
Endurance-Info (a sister site to sportscar365.com) interviewed STI's President to get clarification on SUBARU's future racing plans. He listed them. It wasnt just lmp1. It was gt300's future with the brz, it was a look at gt3 but they have no model for it (brz is too small), denial of gt500 because its too 'spec', dismissed wrc currently because they have no model for it (2-door hatch), talk of lmp-h with "we wont be there in 2015"; "thats too soon"; "I wont confirm nor deny lmp1"; "WE (as in SUBARU, not just STI's president) are very interested in lmp1". Get the facts, dont just claim a rumor because you dont believe it. In my original statement, I said "Subaru is interested in lmp1" which is accurate.
Endurance-Info (a sister site to sportscar365.com) interviewed STI's President to get clarification on SUBARU's future racing plans. He listed them. It wasnt just lmp1. It was gt300's future with the brz, it was a look at gt3 but they have no model for it (brz is too small), denial of gt500 because its too 'spec', dismissed wrc currently because they have no model for it (2-door hatch), talk of lmp-h with "we wont be there in 2015"; "thats too soon"; "I wont confirm nor deny lmp1"; "WE (as in SUBARU, not just STI's president) are very interested in lmp1". Get the facts, dont just claim a rumor because you dont believe it. In my original statement, I said "Subaru is interested in lmp1" which is accurate.
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You still dont get it. The 'interest' is a translation for lack of better wording. Its inconceivable that you're still saying the word rumor after three posts describing to you how you're wrong.They are going to make a racing program that uses hybrids to promote their road going hybrids. That is fact. Process of elimination- STI president eliminated gt500, eliminated gt300 hybrid, eliminated wrc, eliminated gt3, spoke nothing of f1, said he cant deny or confirm lmp1. Its quite easy to see lmp1 is the only thing on the list they could or want to do with a hybrid. Except for someone saying "rumor" repeatedly.
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I'm sorry if an article quoting another article with an interview at a race isn't convincing me that it's a guaranteed program. And what evidence eliminates those options you're eliminating? If they want to build a car for WRC, they'll do that. Hybrid or not, they will do whatever they want. Who knows how much else is lost in translation? Like I said, not wishing they wouldn't, but I'm still not convinced given these "articles" happen with such frequency to generate website traffic
They are going to make a racing program that uses hybrids to promote their road going hybrids. That is fact. Process of elimination- STI president eliminated gt500, eliminated gt300 hybrid, eliminated wrc, eliminated gt3, spoke nothing of f1, said he cant deny or confirm lmp1. Its quite easy to see lmp1 is the only thing on the list they could or want to do with a hybrid. Except for someone saying "rumor" repeatedly.
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I wonder if you pay any attention to the racing series youre talking of or any attention to the articles I pointed out. You dont just "build a car for wrc". That would require Subaru to design and build an entirely new 2-door hatch. The auto express story laid it out for you that Subaru decided AGAINST a brand new CUV. Sorry if this sounds rude, but you dont know what youre talking about. There isnt anything we're 'missing' from the interview, just wording from language differences being, well, different. Replying to you is a serious waste of time, so this is the last post on this conversation.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/subaru...ke-style-crossover-but-eyes-motorsport-return Please read the article. The fact is Subaru is commited to awd. Developing a CUV like the Juke would cost too much as theyd have to develop another mini-segment car to base it on. Two cars, awd, new engine would be too much. This was August 9th. E-I was at the 1000km Suzuka and interviewed STI's president and his comments I already quoted. If youre still thinking this is a rumor then Im not sure what you consider news. The evidence is there in 2 seperate stories stating the same thing. You dont get any better than the head of a company's motorsport arm clarifying the original thought of the first write up on A-E!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/subaru...ke-style-crossover-but-eyes-motorsport-return Please read the article. The fact is Subaru is commited to awd. Developing a CUV like the Juke would cost too much as theyd have to develop another mini-segment car to base it on. Two cars, awd, new engine would be too much. This was August 9th. E-I was at the 1000km Suzuka and interviewed STI's president and his comments I already quoted. If youre still thinking this is a rumor then Im not sure what you consider news. The evidence is there in 2 seperate stories stating the same thing. You dont get any better than the head of a company's motorsport arm clarifying the original thought of the first write up on A-E!
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Finally I can watch a WEC race live on TV! Livestreams aren't great for me.
Livestreams aren't great for me.
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You won't watch it on tv, what you will watch is a 6 hour infomercial broken up by 30 seconds of footage of a car race every 10 minsFinally I can watch a WEC race live on TV!
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Better than streams for me...mine barely even work. It's a miracle when it works well. Now if I could use my PS3 or PS4 for that sort of thing...
.I will say that the 24 Hours of Le Mans wasn't bad on FS1/2 in terms of commercials.
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My coverage of LM wasn't bad etherBetter than streams for me...mine barely even work. It's a miracle when it works well. Now if I could use my PS3 or PS4 for that sort of thing...
I will admit the 24 Hours of Le Mans wasn't bad on FS1/2 in terms of commercials.
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Hey you had the chance of a life time
. I need to jump across the pond and be at the 24 someday.
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Great, not only can I not see the TUSCC race, but now the WEC race too? And on a damn channel that isn't even in HD Yet I have to pay more just to see it. Screw you, Fox.
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I don't have the option because I don't have FS2, So I'd have shell out money for a stupid sports pack just for one 🤬 channel.
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This is why I cut cable completely. The moment something has promise, but isn't stealing ratings from Breaking Bad, it gets relegated to a secondary channel. Fox has a habit of buying the rights to things that have smaller, but loyal, fanbases and pushing them around until they die.
I don't know how that business practice works, but hey.
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Better than having to stare at a laptop screen at least imo. Honestly, how much money would Fox make by showing a race that 50,000 people in America would watch? It's a good strategy to show stuff people want to watch. Same goes for IMSA. The people who really want to watch it will go and find it regardless of how hard it is.
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Thinking about it its surprising that any racing event needs commercials...you've got 22-56 (100+ at Nurburgring) cars that are rolling ads. 
Yes I understand the business practices and what not that a TV company deals with, but it's still funny to think about.
Yes I understand the business practices and what not that a TV company deals with, but it's still funny to think about.
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If you don't have a streaming device connected to your TV you can fix it for under $20, as opposed to $20+ a month. I watched two full seasons of ALMS streaming online, on my TV.
This is the thing. It is either worth showing or it isn't. Don't buy up the rights from others who have given it wider availability in the past or would want to in the future if you think it is only worth your hidden channels. Fox nearly killed all of their good cable comedies by moving them to FXX from FX, and now FXX is kept alive by Simpsons marathons.
Creating secondary channels to show less popular stuff is fine, if it isn't behind a giant pay wall. I don't need the soccer channel, golf channel, and tennis channel so I can watch a race series that they may or may not show all of.
The cable model is an archaic dinosaur. It was developed over 30 years ago. In that time all other technology from pre-production to viewing has changed. I finally said screw them. For less than 25% of the cost I get to watch 90% of what I did before. The math works out differently if you factor in the rise of things like the NFL and SEC Networks. Factor in what I would have lost with those and I'm paying less than 20% of what it would cost.
Sorry, I can't accept the current model. I studied telecom in college (got the degree and everything) and the vision for the future was far brighter than this. We were all working on using technology that would be like Roku across the board. It's why I sacrificed to become an early adopter. If we keep eating their crap they'll keep putting it on our plate in fresh, steaming piles.
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