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The discussion has been about if the Academy drivers can make the grade in LMP1.
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In the context of the Le Mans 24 hour race.
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That's a pretty unfounded claim, How do you know the Nissan is over engineered? And what is over engineered anyway? I see plenty of 'proven designs' which carry in my opinion far too much over complication for their own good, for example, why is it necessary for a road car to have push/pullrod suspension? It's a proven design but it's completely unnecessary, pure engineering masturbration to get people to buy it on the pre-tense that it is somehow 'better'.
What I see in the Nissan is actually the complete opposite, it appears to me to be a 'back to basics' design of sorts, the aero whilst being a new idea is very simple when you look at it (rear outlet aside), the front suspension looks easy to access and uses a fairly conventional design so should not be too difficult to repair/swap in a hurry. The rear suspension is a similar story, it's not pushrod but direct actuation and why would it need to be pushrod? All the air is ducted through the tunnels inside the bodywork so the assembly isn't in the flow path, the use of a pushrod system would serve little to no benefit here other than to add more chassis hardpoints, more weight and more parts to go wrong. The whole monocoque is extremely simple, if you look at that drawing showing all the bodywork off the car you can see that all the aero work is done in tunnels in the removable pieces, so it's not a pain to fix in an accident.
The only area in which this thing is over complicated is the power train, using some trickery (presumably multiple gearboxes) to put the rear half shafts up over the aero tunnels is not something I would have done, I would have accepted it was a downside and left it for the following year. I hate gearboxes, they're just another thing to go wrong which it doesn't need in its first year.
Otherwise, I see a very simple design which should be rather effective if what they say is true.
The front tyres will hold because they're massive and have lots of downforce helping them out, the aero and weight balance is much further forward than on a normal prototype (and the mechanical grip balance too) so hopefully that will aleviate the tyre wearing issue. It may still be a problem in the very slow corners (arnage, etc) but i would assume that's where the rear drive comes in.
This isn't a dig at you, just the term 'over engineered' is a bit of a touchy subject with me.
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Or for the important stuff, where are they going to put the big wheel 
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/02/15/new-le-mans-porsche-experience-centre-takes-shape.html
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/02/15/new-le-mans-porsche-experience-centre-takes-shape.html
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In the mean time those ones are still huge. 
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I'm guessing you haven't been to Le mans?
The red sausage kerbs are a good metre and a half from the edge of the track so the only way to touch them would be to come off the track.
Most people seem to forget the track is defined by the white lines.
This guide line was put out last year I think it was.
They will give allowances for using the painted kerb but the sausage kerbs are at the other side of that which would be deemed unacceptable.
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Well, you can drive through the red sausage. You just shouldn't.
So, I fail hard to see why it is a problem.
So, I fail hard to see why it is a problem.
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It differs from series to series, circuit to circuit and even corner to corner on some circuits. Watched some of the V8 Supercars one-lap shoot-out yesterday on TV. There were 2 or 3 corners where cars were getting all four wheels outside the white lines on the exit of corners, but only on one certain corner were drivers penalized for doing so.
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It's dependent on if the steward sees it, and then if the steward is going to be consistent or not. So much variation that it's hard to determine exactly what is and isn't cutting because of various rules and series. Having tracks with asphalt runoff only increases corner cutting and using too much on the exit. It's done in the name of safety, but it just promotes more reckless driving because the consequences of going a little to far aren't nearly as bad as if it was grass/sand/wall off the track instead.
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The high kerbs damaged the cars. More times than it being from cutting, it was from racing incidents. They launched cars into the gravel which in turn caused local yellows and code-60's.
You dont have to "go to Le Mans" to understand it wasn't needed. What is needed is more stringent officiating. It works at every other wec round. A warning or two for track limits and then a penalty such as a drive-through.
You dont have to "go to Le Mans" to understand it wasn't needed. What is needed is more stringent officiating. It works at every other wec round. A warning or two for track limits and then a penalty such as a drive-through.
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The only cars that seemed to have an issue was the porsches
I think tired tyres said it best
Well drivers, could, well you know, stay on the actual track every now and then.
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After watching the last year's race, I was under the impression that the red thing actually reduced the number of incidents on that section.
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It did, because people saw what happened and stopped cutting the corners. The only problem was when one was bumped off track and the solution to that has already been stated...cleaner racing.
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How many incidents were at the ford chicane in 2013 vs 2014? How many cars went into a spin or the gravel? That should be telling.
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As long as they keep him away from the bar....
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