The Maggiore endurance race is unbelievably hard

[A1an]

With the new BoP I think I will give the F-type Gr.3 a try in this.

 

[A1an]

Tried the Jag and finished 15th, also tried the Renault RS.01 and finished 17th.

idk both seemed to go well, I was up to 6th in both at the start after a couple of laps, but the cars just fell away, in the Renault just now, I got lapped when I was in the pitts on my second stop on lap 20!

 

[A1an]

Yesterday I finished 11th with the Ford GT 18 and just now 14th in the Jaguar.

Both cars I got up to 4th place before I pitted on lap 10, just now in the Jaguar, pitted in 4th exited in 20th, then lap 20 I pitted in 10th and exited in 18th!

I don't understand how I pit from 4th exit in 20th but then never get back anywhere near to the position I pitted from, I know the cars are on different strategies, but it isn't making sense to me, I know I am not good enough or fast enough, but it honestly seems to me the other cars are cheating! I had Roudiber in sight (in the distance) when I pitted from 4th and he's supposed to do an extra stop iirc.

I am never going to beat this race.

 

[Meythia]

he's supposed to do an extra stop iirc.

The AI sometimes does (or did, I dont think the current BoP will require it) an extra stop if you can put enough "pressure" on it so it has to waste more fuel or tyres to stay around you.

I am never going to beat this race.

You need to find out where you are slow in order to try and be faster.
A starting point would be doing the circuit experience and just see how you do there.
The time does not compare, because the CE are done with BoP disabled - the car is faster, but you have a sector by sector training to try and a ghost to constantly follow.

 

[Famine]

I am never going to beat this race.

Have you posted any video of any of your attempts?

Roudiber

 

[Danish Viking]

Just did it tonight with rather ease.

BMW M6 Endurance. Stable as F and good on fuel.

Strat:

RM tires.
FM1 all the time.
TC can be at 3 of you use controller.

After 1st lap you need to be in front of Rubilar. Do 1:59-2:01 times.
Rubilar should pit on lap 9. You pit on lap 10, when 1/3rd of the race is gone. Yamanaka is probably still slightly ahead of you by 3-6 seconds. No worries!
Switch to a new set of RM. Fuel ONLY to 75%.

Rubilar should have catched some traffic you didnt, and he also fuelled to 100%. Now you probably come out just behind Yamanaka or even ahead. He is much slower this stint, so no worries about him. Focus should be on doing 1:59-2:01 times, and keep Rubilar behind. You are 25% lighter on fuel than last stint, so should feel faster. Also a lot of clear traffic, as the ones ahead of you are much slower on 1 pit strat, and easily overtaken.

Pit on lap 20, about 2/3rds of the way to a new set of RM. Rubilar is probably somewhat 10 seconds behind you. Fuel to 75% again. Now, dont worry about Rubilar suddenly comes out of the pit JUST in front of you. He had 10 seconds of less fuel time, as he fuelled to the max last time, and now had less fuel to fill up. But he is now slower, and as long as you do 1:59-2:01 times, you will win by 10 seconds ahead of him.

So its not that hard. Max speed, pit every 20 minutes/10 laps, and its home. Its all about consistent laptimes ranging between 1:59 to 2:01, and never fuel to more than 75%.

 

[KAlex122]

Have to give it a try again sometime. Did it once in 2022 and about a year ago. Won both times. Any "Meta" around this BoP-Update?

 

[A1an]

Have you posted any video of any of your attempts?

I have not posted any videos.

The driver that always wins, Rubliar.

 

[Meythia]

The driver that always wins, Rubliar.

It is Rubilar
and it is not always, I wouldnt even say any significantly more often than other AI.

The question about video was an attempt to guide you into posting a current one so people here could propably identify some bad habbits and help you iron them out to become faster.

In general I would say the race has become a bit easier as the cars are showing more traction (because less power), which means less TC which means less speed lost compared to the AI.

 

[Famine]

I have not posted any videos.

Doing so may allow people to help you better - and to explain the manner in which you're perceiving the pit stops.

You could even just Share a replay in-game, making sure it's shared to everyone (not just friends only) and post the link from your GT7 My Page profile here. That'd save having to make a video and people could view it on their own consoles with full replay controls.

 

[Kermit_2142]

I finally got around to this race tonight. I was skeptical about the new bop having not used it yet but I completed it with the Mercedes doing a one stop.
I was going to 2 stop as advised but I spun on lap 6 from p2 so I decided I needed to make that time back somehow as Rubilar was already able to do 58s which I couldn’t match.
I averaged 2:00 - 2:00.5 laps until around lap 11/12 where I would drop slowly down to a 2:02 due to wear. It’s easy to one stop on fuel with some short shifting, and I still all but revved it out on the inclines to keep some speed up. Tyres were more tricky, I wouldn’t have wanted to do another lap on them when I pitted on lap 15, easily over 95% worn but I did have the spin on them. Also with the 1 stop I came out in clean air so I didn’t really have to do much overtaking.

 

[Tommy_D]

Ran this race last night just to see if it has gotten any easier. Won it first try. Used the Mazda with RM tires, some short shifting and filling up after lap 10 and 20 to 10.4 laps of fuel.

My laps weren’t all that fast because of all the short shifting (trying to save fuel to shorten pit stops). I averaged ~2:00 lap times. Got some 1:59’s but then also some 2:01’s when the tires got a bit worn.

I used TC2 the whole time (didn’t want to have to baby the throttle for an hour) and the grip was amazing. I remember this car being really twitchy when I won it a long time ago. It used to try to spin the back end out on braking but the new physics/bop has the car planted all the time.

I caught up to Rubilar around the 4th lap and took him on the inside of that sharp righthander at the bottom of the hill in to Sector 4. I had the racing line and kept to the inside but he got spooked and went in to the gravel. So that helped keep him at bay. Of course he exited the pits on the second stop right in front of me, despite me having a 10 second lead on him going in to the pits. So it was a race to catch up to both him and Yamanaka over the next 10 laps. Fortunately the AI is not good about going around traffic, so I was able to slip by them when we were lapping traffic. I got the lead again with about 6 laps to go and it was an adventure to stay in front of Rubilar. I would be 5 seconds ahead because of traffic and in the blink of an eye I was only 3.5 seconds ahead. Then it was 2.75 seconds. I pass another slow car and Rubilar gets caught up by that car. My lead increases to 4-5 seconds again and we play this game of shrink and grow with my lead for the next few laps. Eventually on lap 30 Rubilar saw he had no chance to make up 4 seconds on me and gave up. I won by 4.5 seconds.

No credits won since I’ve already won this race, but I have 99.5 million credits already. I just wanted to see if I could do it because I haven’t been able to be competitive in this race since v1.31.

 

[patrax lauda]

I failed again and didnt even finish all my three attempts with the porsche 911 RSR yesterday. Thats so far the car I feel the most and I am competitive. The first two attempts I have to point out how stupid I am, because I forgot to change to medium tyres and was wondering why I cant take some corners with the usual speed, but still managed to get a 1:59
The third attempt, finally with medium tyres was very good, but I had not the same focus and concentration level anymore and made mistakes with track limits - really annoying but my lack of skill.
In the second attempt I tried to make an experiment with crashing Rubilar out. He was last after I "this is Sparta" him, with the hope that every car on the track gets slower for him - doesnt work hahah

 

[patrax lauda]

yesterday I made it with the Porsche 911 Gr.3. finally.... am I relieved? am I happy? any satisfaction? nope - pure hate!
why?
For me personally, this race still makes no sense at all because it makes you feel like you're doing something wrong, even though that's only partially the case. I had that feeling too, despite the great tips in this thread, but let's get back to the racestart.
After lap 2, I overtook Rubilar and was consistently 3 seconds behind the first-placed driver until the first pit stop. On lap 9, I made the pit stop and refueled to 75%, thanks to Tommy_D's tip. After the pit stop, I was also ahead of Rubilar and had a good lead over him. On lap 18, I made the final pit stop, and after that, Rubilar was several places ahead of me, where I was short about to restart. Luckily, I didn't do it and remained patient.
As the race progressed, he slowed down, which is even more illogical, given that he seemed so dominant before, only to then use such an incredibly stupid strategy? I think it's pretty mean to play with gamers' emotions in such an unrealistic way. I'm exaggerating, I know, but I feel for everyone else who's been failing this mission for years.
Anyway... I was able to overtake around 5 laps before the end and was able to maintain a constant 3-5 second lead.
After the race I saved the replay and the game told me it is to big to share and in "my collection". do you have any advice how I can solve this problem and share it properly?

 

[Tommy_D]

yesterday I made it with the Porsche 911 Gr.3. finally.... am I relieved? am I happy? any satisfaction? nope - pure hate!
why?
For me personally, this race still makes no sense at all because it makes you feel like you're doing something wrong, even though that's only partially the case. I had that feeling too, despite the great tips in this thread, but let's get back to the racestart.
After lap 2, I overtook Rubilar and was consistently 3 seconds behind the first-placed driver until the first pit stop. On lap 9, I made the pit stop and refueled to 75%, thanks to Tommy_D's tip. After the pit stop, I was also ahead of Rubilar and had a good lead over him. On lap 18, I made the final pit stop, and after that, Rubilar was several places ahead of me, where I was short about to restart. Luckily, I didn't do it and remained patient.
As the race progressed, he slowed down, which is even more illogical, given that he seemed so dominant before, only to then use such an incredibly stupid strategy? I think it's pretty mean to play with gamers' emotions in such an unrealistic way. I'm exaggerating, I know, but I feel for everyone else who's been failing this mission for years.
Anyway... I was able to overtake around 5 laps before the end and was able to maintain a constant 3-5 second lead.
After the race I saved the replay and the game told me it is to big to share and in "my collection". do you have any advice how I can solve this problem and share it properly?

Rubilar doesn’t technically “slow down”. He gets stuck in lapped traffic and sucks at navigating around slow cars. Up until that point in the race, no one is slow enough to get lapped, so all the leaders have a clean track to work with. After the cars on hard tires pit around lap 15-16 they become rolling roadblocks that you catch up to after lap 20. If Rubilar’s AI was programmed to pass traffic like a human would, this race would be even harder. He may lose only 1 second per lap to passing a car. As is, he loses about 3 seconds a lap, maybe more, to a single lapped car.

 

[Hurball]

Crashing Rubilar out helps a lot because he won’t rejoin the track until it’s empty so he tends to wait for all the cars to pass him

That said, I literally can’t catch first place at all even without Rubilar in the mix. I’ve tried twice, the first time I was going ok before the lapped AI did a pit manoeuvre on me with a few laps to go.

The second time I felt I drove better but I annihilated my tyres, 9 laps in and they were toast, ruining my race entirely - I had to pit on lap 9 instead of 10 and rejoined the race in 15th, only making it up to 11th at the halfway mark at which point I gave up for today.

Might try a different car, although I do feel comfortable in the Porsche I used. My lap times are averaging 2.01 which I’m guessing isn’t good enough, I can get 2.00 at a push…

 

[Meythia]

Crashing Rubilar out helps a lot

That helps nothing but only confirms the rest of your post: be faster.

 

[bit]

Did It with the Ferrari.
TC3 (controller)
Medium tires
Pit was every 10 laps.

Hate it with all my heart. I've tryed every F gr.3 car. The best for me were: BMW M6 Endurance, Porsche, Lamborghini and Mazda. With the Ferrari I could be stable at 1:59/2:00.

 

[Hurball]

That helps nothing but only confirms the rest of your post: be faster.

If the AI hadn’t pit manoeuvred me I’d have finished 2nd, a few seconds behind first. So yes, you’re right - I need to be faster. But Rubilar was a non-entity in the race and usually he wins. So crashing him out does help.

I’m more concerned that on my first run I fairly easily made it to lap 10 on Racing Medium tyres but on my second run I destroyed them by lap 9 in an attempt to “be faster”. Might have to find a balance and not push the car too hard whilst still hitting good lap times…

 

[Meythia]

but on my second run I destroyed them by lap 9

I dont know how much of a difference the pushing really has in wearing them down, but the cars certainly are different in how much they spend and how they distribute it.
For example the Lexus are really bad on the front tyres while the back seems to last forever.

 

[shadow0460]

It's easy to say "Be faster". It doesn't add up though when one is running consistently within the recommended lap times, not crashing, and still winding up with bronze.
I gave up on this race about six months ago after failing despite 1:59-2:01 lap times. I dug into it when the BoP bug was found and again when the Ford GT LM Test Car was found to be bugged. No dice. I ran the Test Car in some online races around that time before learning it was bugged. My performance there was satisfactory.
I don't know if maybe some of us got "lucky" and have some races more difficult than everyone else. For me, that bear of a race on Tokyo East is a piece of cake and always has been. There's one at Road Atlanta you can grind with, that one is easy for me also.
I have a good CE at Maggiore. At first I used a glitch to get it, then went back and earned it the right way.
There have been several patches since I kicked the Maggiore race to the curb. It may be worth another try, especially since the Mazda seems to be a go to car again. I hate the things in real life but they are decent in Gran Turismo.

 

[Kermit_2142]

If the AI hadn’t pit manoeuvred me I’d have finished 2nd, a few seconds behind first. So yes, you’re right - I need to be faster. But Rubilar was a non-entity in the race and usually he wins. So crashing him out does help.

I’m more concerned that on my first run I fairly easily made it to lap 10 on Racing Medium tyres but on my second run I destroyed them by lap 9 in an attempt to “be faster”. Might have to find a balance and not push the car too hard whilst still hitting good lap times…

It may be that the tyres are over heating and losing grip, not that they are worn out. It’s possible to one stop this race using the medium tyres.

 

[Meythia]

It's easy to say "Be faster"

No one says it is easy to be faster, but the issue simply is to be faster.

No growing with no challenge, and the skill gap between players really comes to light here.
Even with the current bop 31 laps is possible, though I cant comprehend how people are able to reach that speed.

 

[KAlex122]

I did beat it the first time when the AMG '20 was in one of the early updates 2022/23. About a year later i did it in the Mazda RX. Both on first try.

This time i'm going for either the Nissan GTR '18, the Subaru BRZ, the 911, the Supra or again the AMG '20.

I'm very much undecided and don't know which of these suffered the most during updates.

 

[KAlex122]

I did beat it the first time when the AMG '20 was in one of the early updates 2022/23. About a year later i did it in the Mazda RX. Both on first try.

This time i'm going for either the Nissan GTR '18, the Subaru BRZ, the 911, the Supra or again the AMG '20.

I'm very much undecided and don't know which of these suffered the most during updates.

And it's done. Didn't want any complications and chose the Mazda RX Vision again.

I can't really grasp the difficulty many have with this. There are at least 20 or 30 harder challenges in this game.

I needed more than 400 km for the final License at Suzuka, i needed years of experience at the Nürburgring for golding the circuit experience. But at the 3 occasions i tried this race it was always very doable.

RM tires, boxing every 10 laps. Had 33% left in the tank after pitting the first time, fueled to 75% to always have an extra lap in the tank (i happen to forget pitting sometimes).

Was second place after the first lap but as i refused to let go of the throttle a bit too long i crashed into the wall at the end of the last turn of the first lap. Ended up midfield behind Rubilar again. Got to second place fast again and overtook Yamanaka in lap 6 or 7. Pitted 3 seconds in front of Yamanaka. He wasn't faster at pitting than me. 33->75% fuel plus new tires.

AI is really bad in traffic. Pitted the second time after 20 laps 20 seconds in front of Rubilar. Yamanaka pitted a lap later. I than had Hizal (fastest lap and maybe 3 pitstops on RS tires?) in front of me and Grady behind me until lap 24 so i didn't see the delta between me and Rubilar/Yamanaka. When Grady pitted i saw that Rubilar gained some time and was 13 seconds behind me. Either he pitted super fast or had some amazing laps. From that on he was not really competitive and i doubled my lead.

I don't like Lago Maggiore. The only thing i like is that the AI is very slow at the Esses and you gain at least a second per lap.

My laptimes where one half 2:00,xxx and the other half 1:59,xxx. One was 1:58,7. That it, nothing too special. One was 2:01,xxx and one 2:04,xxx due to once not being focused (really tired) and one penalty of 2 seconds and 0,5 seconds within a lap.I don't know how much time was lost due to the crash in the first lap.

 

[Wilsonson]

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Compilation of results screens from this thread. Assuming that all of these were 30 lap races the AI usually is or used to be much much quicker.

Is this difficulty related? I always was under the assumption that the difficulty setting doesn't matter for missions.

 

[KAlex122]

Physics changed. So there where times where everyone was faster or slower. My impression of my 3 races (2022, 2024 and 2025) is that overall difficulty stayed about the same.

 

[Nebuc72]

Compilation of results screens from this thread. Assuming that all of these were 30 lap races the AI usually is or used to be much much quicker.

Is this difficulty related? I always was under the assumption that the difficulty setting doesn't matter for missions.

It's a BoP event and BoP has changed massively. In February's update they all lost about 60-70hp under BoP, so times are going to be a lot slower across the board.