The Metal ThreadMusic

[Jimmy Enslashay]

If anybody is looking for some thrash metal, try Testament. They kind of sound like something between Pantera and Metallica. The Ritual is a pretty good album.

Not a fan of The Ritual. Personally, I think the best album is The Gathering, though there are some that I haven't listened to. Quite interesting to see how many large name ex and current members Testament has and had.

And to tell you the truth, I like very little of it... or at least I don't like the commercial ones like Killswitch Engage and similar.

Well I'm glad you don't like them, seeing as they're most commonly referred to as Emo Metal or Hardcore.

 

[Diego440]

Oooohhh... so that's what Emo metal is... always wondered.

 

[Bones Brigade]

Not a fan of The Ritual. Personally, I think the best album is The Gathering, though there are some that I haven't listened to. Quite interesting to see how many large name ex and current members Testament has and had. Well I'm glad you don't like them, seeing as they're most commonly referred to as Emo Metal or Hardcore.

holy ****. any respect i had for you, which was little, just went out the window. "emo-metal" while people may refer to a band as such, is not a genre of music. its just something some dumb-**** who couldnt figure out what to call avenged sevenfold made up. and the fact that you could even say that "emo-metal" is the same as hardcore, is so ****ing outrageous, that i may actually take the step to hunt you down and curb stomp you. by that little statement, you just put Minor Threat, Black Flag, and a slew of other hardcore punk bands (yes, its the same thing!) in the same group as Avenged Sevenfold, As I Lay Dying, It Dies Today and whatever other ****ty trend-hopping bands are popular today. Thank you for ruining your image as someone who knows anything about music. We wouldn't want someone who was just pretending to know something about music to lead a discussion about music, now would we?

edit* this was harsh. *shrug* im not really hateful, dont worry!

 

[Diego440]

So lemme get this straight...

You say "You're a **** 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 :censored, and a bastard...!"

"*shrug* I don't really think that, don't worry"

Not making much sense today, are we?

Anyhoo, I think the "hardcore" style has changed a bit from what it was in the late 70s and early 80s to what it is nowadays. Back then it was a side-style from punk; now it's a harder/less melodic version of most metal styles...

 

[Silverzone]

I like hardcore. Atreyu, Killswitch Engage, Aiden, Avenged Sevenfold, All good in my book. But I've also been listening to some really heavy stuff lately also, Hypocrisy, Diecide, and The Black Dahlia Murder. Ahh.. Metal..

 

[Bones Brigade]

So lemme get this straight...

You say "You're a **** 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 :censored, and a bastard...!"

"*shrug* I don't really think that, don't worry"

Not making much sense today, are we?

Anyhoo, I think the "hardcore" style has changed a bit from what it was in the late 70s and early 80s to what it is nowadays. Back then it was a side-style from punk; now it's a harder/less melodic version of most metal styles...

no i do think what i said. but that was just my initial reaction, while i am actually not a jerk.

but hardcore is still an off-shoot of punk. its just that a lot of bands incorporate some metal. http://www.nwhardcore.com/demos/ <-- right there is a wide variety of hardcore. the hardcore bands that are popular these days (terror, throwdown, hatebreed) are thrown in with metal because theyre heavier and more aggressive. but they have very slim ties with metal. of course you have your earth crisis' and what not who are very heavily influenced by metal. there just isnt any popular hardcore that sticks to the original style. even back in the day it wasnt very popular. the only ones people know of are minor threat and black flag really.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

holy ****. any respect i had for you, which was little, just went out the window. "emo-metal" while people may refer to a band as such, is not a genre of music. its just something some dumb-**** who couldnt figure out what to call avenged sevenfold made up. and the fact that you could even say that "emo-metal" is the same as hardcore, is so ****ing outrageous, that i may actually take the step to hunt you down and curb stomp you. by that little statement, you just put Minor Threat, Black Flag, and a slew of other hardcore punk bands (yes, its the same thing!) in the same group as Avenged Sevenfold, As I Lay Dying, It Dies Today and whatever other ****ty trend-hopping bands are popular today. Thank you for ruining your image as someone who knows anything about music. We wouldn't want someone who was just pretending to know something about music to lead a discussion about music, now would we?

If you took the time to read and understand things, you'd realise I said it's what is commonly referred to as Emo Metal or Hardcore.

If you've also took the time out to read through this thread before, you'd also see I've taken the same stance against the genre Emo Metal here, as well as several other posts where I have had discussions on the matter. Whether you like it or not, it's going to continue to be used as a genre. I'm against genres like Hair Metal or Viking Metal, but I still have to accept the fact that they are going to be used. Get over it. There's NO need to attack me on the issue.

I'll discuss the rest with you in private.

 

[livemusic]

I'm against genres like Hair Metal or Viking Metal, but I still have to accept the fact that they are going to be used.

And don't forget your favourite - Melodic Metal!

 

[Bones Brigade]

If you took the time to read and understand things, you'd realise I said it's what is commonly referred to as Emo Metal or Hardcore.

If you've also took the time out to read through this thread before, you'd also see I've taken the same stance against the genre Emo Metal here, as well as several other posts where I have had discussions on the matter. Whether you like it or not, it's going to continue to be used as a genre. I'm against genres like Hair Metal or Viking Metal, but I still have to accept the fact that they are going to be used. Get over it. There's NO need to attack me on the issue.

I'll discuss the rest with you in private.

its true. there was no need for it. *shrug* its good to know you dont use the terminology or lump it in with hardcore.

 

[kennythebomb]

I'm just starting to get into some death metal.

I'm using yahoo launchcast and my dad was in the room with me and it plays a death metal song and my dad is like ?!?!?! 👎 and then he said I have no more credibility in arguments.

Anyway, anyone else here REALLY like Opeth?

 

[THE ED3]

Opeth write songs a bit to long IMO.

Try death.fm for more great music.

 

[Delphic Reason]

holy ****. any respect i had for you, which was little, just went out the window. "emo-metal" while people may refer to a band as such, is not a genre of music. its just something some dumb-**** who couldnt figure out what to call avenged sevenfold made up. and the fact that you could even say that "emo-metal" is the same as hardcore, is so ****ing outrageous, that i may actually take the step to hunt you down and curb stomp you. by that little statement, you just put Minor Threat, Black Flag, and a slew of other hardcore punk bands (yes, its the same thing!) in the same group as Avenged Sevenfold, As I Lay Dying, It Dies Today and whatever other ****ty trend-hopping bands are popular today. Thank you for ruining your image as someone who knows anything about music. We wouldn't want someone who was just pretending to know something about music to lead a discussion about music, now would we?

edit* this was harsh. *shrug* im not really hateful, dont worry!

It's about time you settle down a bit... "Emo-Metal" is indeed a genre, as is "Hardcore"... Yes, they are very different.. I agree with you there..

However, your method of getting your point across is very distasteful... Your hakneyed attempt at reconsiliation at the end of your post does not make up for your rude and demeaning manner previous to said attempt...

Try and use some tact...

I'm not going to give you a warning as I feel this was probably just a momentary lapse of reason... Just try and keep your posts clean and respectful...

Both you and Jimmy need to let this go...

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

Try death.fm for more great music.

Stop that.

Anyway, anyone else here REALLY like Opeth?

I do really like Opeth. Their songs are long, but they don't seem to drag on in my opinion. Everything fits well, and I believe, as repetitive as the structure of each of their songs seems to be, it all connects together nicely.

The only problem I have with Opeth is that they tend to overuse the acoustic section. It seems to be in every song.

And don't forget your favourite - Melodic Metal!

That's such a goddamn general genre. There are a lot of different types of Metal that's Melodic, it explains absolutely nothing. Melodic Death Metal is much more explanatory.

By the way, Diego, I forgot to mention a band to you. Check out Paths Of Possession. It contains George Fisher, the new singer from Cannibal Corpse. It was started by the original Morbid Angel guitarist, Richard Brunelle, but he's since left the band.

Honestly, it's one of the best releases this year. Don't be put off by the fact that George Fisher is fronting the band, it's nothing like Cannibal Corpse, nor is it another Floridian Brutal Death Metal band. Surprisingly, despite originating in Florida, it's linked much more closely to old-school, early-90's Swedish Melodic Death Metal, similar to the likes of Dismember.

A very, very refreshing release. I'm getting tired of countless American Death Metal bands releasing the same album over, and over again. Check out the album Promises In Blood. I also recommend it to anyone here, including you, Shannon.

 

[THE ED3]

Its not my web site. I'm not advertizing something for sale either. I use it to find new music so I suggest people look around it for the same reason.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

You will not post advertisements [...] all of which are inappropriate and prohibited in the Forums. This includes any solicitations to buy or sell a product or service of any kind.

Repeatedly posting a link to a website, yours or not, is considered advertising.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm simply asking you to stop. You've posted that site numerous times now.

I feel like a grumpy old man today.

Back on topic.

 

[Diego440]

I'm using yahoo launchcast and my dad was in the room with me and it plays a death metal song and my dad is like ?!?!?! and then he said I have no more credibility in arguments.

Tell your dad he wore bell-bottomed jeans... that's enough to be on equal grounds.

Jimmy, I actually enjoyed George Fisher's previous band... I think it was called Monstrosity. I'll check out this Paths of Posession. Also, and this goes out to everyone, what's your take on Cynic? The 1993 album, 'Focus'. One of my favourite albums, by the by.

I also REALLY like Opeth. As a matter of fact, one thing I don't like about some death metal bands is the tendency to not make a songer longer than 4 minutes... of course, if it were 8 minutes of the monotonous guitars and double drums bass, it would be annoying, but I think Opeth mixes the styles perfectly. In much the same way, My Dying Bride mixes death metal with deeper tunes and some violin/cello in the older works, and again, 8+ minute songs.

Lastly, I also don't like very much the differentiation of terms, but sometimes oyu have to make it. For example, there is a difference between say, Dragonforce and Stratovarius, musically, lyrically and in general. They may sound the same to the untrained ear, but to us knwoledgeable people, there must be a difference as to how we classify them. And, did you know there's a style called "Stoner Metal"?

What I really despise is the new style of newer bands of taking two separate words and putting them together like one. For example: "Killswitch", "Dragonforce", "Hammerfall", "Bloodbath", "Neuroticfish", "Throwdown", "Underoath", and probably a truckload more.

 

[Shannon]

I'm not going to give you a warning as I feel this was probably just a momentary lapse of reason... Just try and keep your posts clean and respectful...

*cough* Dave Gilmour, Nick Mason, Rick Wright ...

Anyway, anyone else here REALLY like Opeth?

They've quickly risen to the top of my list of favourite metal bands of all time. They just have so must diversity! Certainly the most "progressive" metal band I've ever had the pleasure of listening to.

Lastly, I also don't like very much the differentiation of terms, but sometimes oyu have to make it. For example, there is a difference between say, Dragonforce and Stratovarius, musically, lyrically and in general. They may sound the same to the untrained ear, but to us knwoledgeable people, there must be a difference as to how we classify them. And, did you know there's a style called "Stoner Metal"?

Stoner Metal are bands such as Kyuss and Monster Magnet, even though they aren't really metal per se. Traditional Stoner Metal is a heavy, but slower, droney style of music. Ask emad, he's an expert on the genre.

Oh, and Bloodbath is one word.

 

[Diego440]

Oh, and Bloodbath is one word.

ummm... okay

Anyway, I've just listened to Paths of Possession. Indeed it could be considered one of the best of 2005, but the sound itself isn't unlike many bands out there. I liked it; especially 'Promises in Blood', 'Where The Empty God Lies' and 'A Heart For A Heart'.

However, there are many bands that haven't really made it very big which I think had better albums for 2005. For example: Coram Lethe, Fleshless, Cold Void, Falchion and Crypticus. I'm a fan of the deep grunt-like voices, a-la Dying Fetus... what I don't like much is the screaming, like in Killswitch Engage, nor the shirlling grunts, like the ones in Brutal Truth.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

Jimmy, I actually enjoyed George Fisher's previous band... I think it was called Monstrosity.

Yep. Monstrosity are quite a good, decent band. One of the better Floridian Death Metal bands.

Also, and this goes out to everyone, what's your take on Cynic? The 1993 album, 'Focus'. One of my favourite albums, by the by.

Very good album. In fact, I might stick that on now. They only released that one album, by the way, along with a few demos. They all went on to form a Progressive Rock band called Gordian Knot.

 

[Diego440]

Very good album. In fact, I might stick that on now. They only released that one album, by the way, along with a few demos. They all went on to form a Progressive Rock band called Gordian Knot.

If you liked the jazz/death metal style of Cynic, you might want to check out Pestilence's 1993 (I think) album called 'Spheres'... and I recently mentioned a band called Coprofago, which also mixes the styles very nicely, although it may be harder to find, since it's a Chilean band and fairly new.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Dope - Die Mother****er Die is pretty kick ass I'll have to check out their other stuff.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

If you liked the jazz/death metal style of Cynic, you might want to check out Pestilence's 1993 (I think) album called 'Spheres'... and I recently mentioned a band called Coprofago, which also mixes the styles very nicely, although it may be harder to find, since it's a Chilean band and fairly new.

I have a Pestilence album somewhere, I think it's Consuming Impulse. I remember liking it, but that's another album that hasn't seen daylight in quite a while. I'm glad you're bringing some of these old bands up. I'll check out Coprofago, though.

Another band worth a look at, on this note, is Quo Vadis, if you haven't already (I think I recall seeing them mentioned somewhere along the line). The album Defiant Imagination is definitely worth a listen.

 

[Diego440]

Listened to Quo Vadis... liked it but didn't love it.

Any luck with Coprofago?

An couple of questions open to all:
1) Is Phil Anselmo the lead singer for Betzefer?
2) If anyone's heard Death's album 'Individual Thought Patterns', can you direct me at other bands where the bass sounds similarly? Corpofago is one, Krueger (from Venezuela) is another one... but I'm sure there must be more!

Thanks!

 

[CDailey]

Traditional Stoner Metal is a heavy, but slower, droney style of music. Ask emad, he's an expert on the genre.

 

[Jimmy Enslashay]

Any luck with Coprofago?

Nope, no luck finding anything by them, yet.

1) Is Phil Anselmo the lead singer for Betzefer?

Nope. Betzefer are a band from the Middle East, I believe. Though the singer does sound a bit like Phil.

Traditional Stoner Metal is a heavy, but slower, droney style of music. Ask emad, he's an expert on the genre.

Funny thing is, Shannon's not making a funny.

 

[Shannon]

That's funny?

 

[livemusic]

I guess the "stoner" part was funny.

 

[CDailey]

Funny thing is, Shannon's not making a funny.

I know. It just sounded kind of ironic.

I like stoner rock, btw. Fu Manchu and Mondo Generator rock.

 

[VIPFREAK]

Anyone heard of Evergreen Terrace? They sound pretty bad ass... I gotta find more and I'll get back to ya all.

 

[emad]

Traditional Stoner Metal is a heavy, but slower, droney style of music. Ask emad, he's an expert on the genre.

Nope, no luck finding anything by them, yet. Nope. Betzefer are a band from the Middle East, I believe. Though the singer does sound a bit like Phil. Funny thing is, Shannon's not making a funny.

*cough* I haven't been stoned since last august!!!!!

Anyways, I probably *am* GTP's resident stoner rock/metal expert despite my limited knowledge of the genre.