The next-gen MX-5 Miata thread
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That could be anything from 1999lbs to 2499lbs.
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Mazda wanted it around 2200lbs but had announced that they wouldn't be getting it that low. So I doubt it's less than that number.
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F Alfa Romeo. I mean they have romeo in their name. Pssh what the hell kind of car company is that making stupid heavy roadsters. Why don't they just go out of business already.
The ND has been compromised from the start and I'm not very happy about it.
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I'm not sure how sarcastic you're being here, but it might be worth pointing out that Alfa Romeo's most recent sports car offering weighs about the same as the NA Miata, at least in Europe...
If we're talking compromise it may also be worth pointing out that the Alfa 4C is about 200 lbs heavier in the U.S. than it is in Europe because you guys apparently want a car filled with all sorts of unnecessary crap. And that Mazda will have to design this roadster to meet the world's strictest safety standards, those in the U.S, thereby making it heavier. In other words, it's all your fault. Yours, Keef
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So your friend is the one responsible for the pathetic "sport" suspension Bilsteins on the NC...address please?
Sounds to me like your friend is pulling stuff out of his butt.
Last I heard the alfa roadster is no more and the car will be sold as a FIAT.
If we're talking compromise it may also be worth pointing out that the Alfa 4C is about 200 lbs heavier in the U.S. than it is in Europe because you guys apparently want a car filled with all sorts of unnecessary crap. And that Mazda will have to design this roadster to meet the world's strictest safety standards, those in the U.S, thereby making it heavier. In other words, it's all your fault. Yours, Keef
I believe it's closer to 350lbs.
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The entire thing is made of carbon fiber too. The NA wasn't. And the Alfa doesn't have standard air conditioning either.
Hey, it's already been in the news that once Alfa got on board Mazda had to accomodate them. Mazda's original idea wasn't in line with what Alfa wanted - a bigger, heavier car. Mazda designed the original Miata specifically with the US market in mind and this new one would have been done so as well. When you design to the strictest standards you are able to optimize every detail. When you design to loose standard - Alfa's method - you then have to scramble to add things that weren't meant to be there, resulting in a ludicrous weight gain. Something, something, Lotus Elise. Get it right the first time and you don't have to take another stab.If we're talking compromise it may also be worth pointing out that the Alfa 4C is about 200 lbs heavier in the U.S. than it is in Europe because you guys apparently want a car filled with all sorts of unnecessary crap. And that Mazda will have to design this roadster to meet the world's strictest safety standards, those in the U.S, thereby making it heavier. In other words, it's all your fault. Yours, Keef
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I know that but given that Fiat is working for this car too then it will probably look a bit like an Alfa or Fiat mixed with Mazda.
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I think it's also been announced that neither car would look alike. Alfa will look completely different, it won't be anything like the FRS/BRZ twins.
The NC was loosely styled off that car, doubt the next car will be.What did people think of the Ibuki concept?
Would be kinda cool if Madza did the retro route rather than their current design language which I don't see translating well to a roadster.
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Well that's a relief....
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So far I've not seen any actual evidence that Alfa (/Fiat, as I thought the sister car wasn't going to be an Alfa any more?) has actually compromised the project.
The one detail that has changed throughout is weight, and that was a very, very loose promise anyway - Mazda said back in the earliest days of detail leaking out that it wanted the car to be lighter than the NA. As far as anyone can tell that was just hyperbole - the end car would always be heavier than that initial target (the aforementioned Elise and the McLaren F1 both missed their weight targets too - it happens all the time).
As far as everything else is concerned... there simply aren't enough details to go on.
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Curious to see if we even get it here in Aus, and if so, what the price would be....
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The big thing I'm interested in is how stripped down they'll allow the car to get, and for that matter, how much they'll make "that seems entirely unnecessary" option packages instead of more traditional a la carte system that makes each car somewhat unique.
I mean, Mazda has done well with the 6. They've done well with the 3. But there seems to be near-universal panning of their new pricing structure when it comes to content. Can we just hope they've learned from it on this one?
I mean, Mazda has done well with the 6. They've done well with the 3. But there seems to be near-universal panning of their new pricing structure when it comes to content. Can we just hope they've learned from it on this one?
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Care to elaborate? I haven't read much about it, really. I think all car companies need to stop the package nonsense.
Also, I think the current language will translate to a roadster very, very well. The extra length of the car will make it sexy, finally. Let's just all admit that the previous cars have always looked a little goofy compared to, say, a Z3 which has a long hood and voluptuous fenders.
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Z3 is ugly. Z4 on the other hand...
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I've always quite liked the Z3, but it hasn't aged particularly well. The first Z4 was grim as a roadster and hot as a coupe, and I'm still not sure whether I like the current one or not - not a huge fan of folding metal roofs, for one.
I like the Z3, but I can't unsee it as a giant sneaker. The first Z4 grew on me by the time the nicer coupe version appeared. The current Z4 looks good, but it's also like it's trying hard to look good, if that makes sense.
I agree with Keef on the design proportions.
I agree with Keef on the design proportions.
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I've always seen the Z3 as a dainty little hot rod unduly cursed with a pig snout. Much like Christina Ricci in Penelope:
The Z4, when it launched was fantastic. Probably one of the only places where Bangle's bizarre design language fully gelled.
That said, I agree with @Wolfe - the current Z4 looks like it's trying to hard to be "normal"... just a disappointing slapdash job of normalization on top of what was once a wild-looking ride.
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A "Kodo" Miata will be very interesting. I hope they do it justice.
The Z4, when it launched was fantastic. Probably one of the only places where Bangle's bizarre design language fully gelled.
That said, I agree with @Wolfe - the current Z4 looks like it's trying to hard to be "normal"... just a disappointing slapdash job of normalization on top of what was once a wild-looking ride.
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A "Kodo" Miata will be very interesting. I hope they do it justice.
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Well, you look at the Mazda 3i, and to get anything close to "normal" options, you're knocking on the door of a $20k start price. To get the good wheels and tires, you're forced to opt up to the Mazda 3s with the 2.5L engine, which also requires the automatic. Next thing you know you've got a $25,000 compact car when all you wanted was some nice alloy wheels. Yeesh.
The pricing structure on the Mazda 6 isn't as crazy between the Sport and Touring models, where I feel like your extra $2700 goes a bit further with getting you actual creature comforts that you'll use everyday. But when it jumps $6000 to Grand Touring just for navigation and fancy lights (well, there are more extras), in addition to requiring the automatic, well, that's a bit crazy.
I understand that Mazda's margins are much more thin these days, and it helps control costs by producing cars with similar extras. But, man, I just want a middle range model with some nice wheels, an okay stereo system, and some basic creature comforts. I'm guessing the MX-5 might have an easier time with this given the kind of car it is out of the gate.
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MX5 didn't seem to suffer from that too much, other than the GT, maybe.
SPORT model has about anything anyone needs. Then you had the touring which just added some convenience things and went from 5spd to 6spd. Now you have the club which adds 6spd/lsd/crap bilsteins/convenience stuff for just a small price increase. The GT is where it gets prices with leather and a whole bunch of things.
SPORT model has about anything anyone needs. Then you had the touring which just added some convenience things and went from 5spd to 6spd. Now you have the club which adds 6spd/lsd/crap bilsteins/convenience stuff for just a small price increase. The GT is where it gets prices with leather and a whole bunch of things.
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The pricing structure on the MX-5 is pretty reasonable, and I'm guessing a lot of it will carry over simply because there isn't much variability in the car to begin with. Assuming Mazda is selling it with just one engine and the option of a manual or an automatic, that eliminates a lot of layering from the start. I think what hangs in the air with new car is whether or not they continue on the same, slightly more premium packaging on the car. The internet loves their cheap, basic MX-5s, and I'm fairly certain that a new, cheap MX-5 could sell well again if they equip it with some basic stuff. A $22,000 MX-5 with A/C, manual windows and locks and roof, and a two-speaker radio would be more than okay with me.
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You can't get a 3s with a stick anymore? Well, ****. And here I thought I'd buy one if I could afford one.
In my humble opinion, these new Mazda tend to be a bit more premium in terms of styling and refinement than the competition, no? Sort of like Ford's pricing scheme.
EDIT: Damn, the no manual thing is pretty bogus. Come on, Mazda.
