The No Driving Assist Tuner Challenge

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Ok, so I will leave the Stagea as is, 5/3 BB, I hope testers beware to modulate the brakes more cautiously To all testers, my car is hosted at JohnnyPenso

 

[FastAShecK]

I find if I drop BB to 0/0 or close to it the limitations of the games programing become clear. It acts like ABS is back on and here is much less need for causion with the brake pedal.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I think very low BB is best at simulating drum brakes and as far as I can remember, with comfort hard, it can still lock up even with 0/0

 

[dr_slump]

Praiano's Miura has an awful behaviour on the brakes.
I'm testing it right now. It's killing me...



Oh and Onboy, answer my damn question! NOW!

EDIT:
The Miura feels a ton better with warm tyres, although it's still very unforgiving. I could manage to do some clean and fast laps though.

The RGT, Miura and NSX are all within 1 second. There's a big chance that the ranking will change after the second runs.
And I still haven't tested all cars yet.

 

[FastAShecK]

Praiano's Miura has an awful behaviour on the brakes.
I'm testing it right now. It's killing me...



Oh and Onboy, answer my damn question! NOW!

EDIT:
The Miura feels a ton better with warm tyres, although it's still very unforgiving. I could manage to do some clean and fast laps though.

The RGT, Miura and NSX are all within 1 second. There's a big chance that the ranking will change after the second runs.
And I still haven't tested all cars yet.

Sport Softs I take the time to do a warm up lap, I even go so far as to do a few doughnuts sometimes to get the tires to temp for a Hot lap

 

[dr_slump]

Sport Softs I take the time to do a warm up lap, I even go so far as to do a few doughnuts sometimes to get the tires to temp for a Hot lap

I drive 15 laps in a row, so it's not really necessary to do this.
Also it's somehow important to know how cars drive in real race situations (start with cold tyres).

 

[Onboy123]

RS4? Where?

Not on share, duh. Will be by tomorrow.

I'd rather not accept the change as it's well past deadline, any tuning testing should of been done before. I need to keep that a tight rule or loose changes may get requested by others.

By "new BB", I meant BB re-adjusted from the original ABS "on" tune to the "off" settings, since I've not got the tune for that noted down anywhere. I'm not changing anything on it, just writing down the settings.

 

[FastAShecK]

I drive 15 laps in a row, so it's not really necessary to do this.
Also it's somehow important to know how cars drive in real race situations (start with cold tyres).

Thankfully all cars in the Race will start off with cold tires so its a not really an issue. The characteristics of the Tune being whats tested here tires at temp are optimum. Yeah if your hitting 15 laps its fine by lap 2 so good point, it just had me worried with your comment about the Muira. When testing a tune, I'm hitting that second lap before I start evaluating.


It is very important how the car will perform in a real race environment, we got to add tire wear for this though, as pushing the car on cold tires often has grassy results in a race, we also have to consider longevity. Taking it easy while the tires warm up is good practice and hopefully will aide in less aggressive driving online, IMO Slower is Faster as they say and driving more calm and consistent will yield faster more consistent laps on average. A few less balls to the wall aggressive drivers on the Track may reduce the rear ending online knocking people who use the brakes off the track.

Not on share, duh. Will be by tomorrow.

I have your entries as a Muira & a Yellow Bird. RS4?

By "new BB", I meant BB re-adjusted from the original ABS "on" tune to the "off" settings, since I've not got the tune for that noted down anywhere. I'm not changing anything on it, just writing down the settings.

Little confused as You had the 2 tunes posted up quite early are you trying to change from whats been posted originally on the YB and Muira?

 

[Onboy123]

That's not me, that's Praiano. Not quite sure how you got us two mixed up, but my only entry is an RS4, whereas Praiano entered the YB and Miura.

 

[FastAShecK]

That's not me, that's Praiano. Not quite sure how you got us two mixed up, but my only entry is an RS4, whereas Praiano entered the YB and Miura.

Whooops, your right, I apologize for that, been swamped up last week finally got a day to surf the web a bit.

The RS4 Tune was posted up already wasn't it.

 

[Onboy123]

Whooops, your right, I apologize for that, been swamped up last week finally got a day to surf the web a bit.

The RS4 Tune was posted up already wasn't it.

Nope. The car was complete, but the existing picture of the tune is for ABS 1, not ABS 0. All that's different between ABS 1 and ABS 0 is the brakes, which I believe are supposed to be down from 5/7 to 3/4.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Tuner deadline already past since a week ago, now I am looking forward for tests result

No further changes allowed after posting of tune as OP has stated earlier, I was going to change the BB, but I was not allowed to do so.

 

[FastAShecK]

Tuner deadline already past since a week ago, now I am looking forward for tests result

No further changes allowed after posting of tune as OP has stated earlier, I was going to change the BB, but I was not allowed to do so.

Correct.

If any changes updates or fixes were needed, they needed to be done before the deadline. This is important as drivers have started testing, and honestly its not really fair to allow changes after the deadline when I was very clear no changes after deadline would be accepted.

The idea was to Tune with all assist off, some interested if the tuning would be different. Now that drivers are testing and all tunes posted its too late to lower BB to suite the drivers or other cars. I also should of made limitations to how low they can go to avoid the 0/0 (or near) BB trick, but feel its too late (and thankfully most cars posted have more than 0/0), and any 0 ABS Racing is better than ABS-1.


I dunno, I bury the Pedal with the STAGEA at 5/3 and didn't lock up until I nearly floor the pedal. I apply the brakes smoothly though, I figure I can get them to lock up if I stab the brake hard and fast, but I would expect them too, Ill have to give that car another run when I get my OFW PS3 back off my Bro, the JBPS3 is no-more currently bricked waiting a HD swap.

 

[trackripper123]

FastASheck can you shoot me a FR, I've no idea which account of yours to add.

 

[dr_slump]

FastASheck can you shoot me a FR, I've no idea which account of yours to add.

I thought he doesn't have a working acc?

 

[trackripper123]

I thought he doesn't have a working acc?

So is he not testing?

 

[VTiRoj]

So is he not testing?

I believe he is just building the cars himself.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Correct.

If any changes updates or fixes were needed, they needed to be done before the deadline. This is important as drivers have started testing, and honestly its not really fair to allow changes after the deadline when I was very clear no changes after deadline would be accepted.

The idea was to Tune with all assist off, some interested if the tuning would be different. Now that drivers are testing and all tunes posted its too late to lower BB to suite the drivers or other cars. I also should of made limitations to how low they can go to avoid the 0/0 (or near) BB trick, but feel its too late (and thankfully most cars posted have more than 0/0), and any 0 ABS Racing is better than ABS-1.


I dunno, I bury the Pedal with the STAGEA at 5/3 and didn't lock up until I nearly floor the pedal. I apply the brakes smoothly though, I figure I can get them to lock up if I stab the brake hard and fast, but I would expect them too, Ill have to give that car another run when I get my OFW PS3 back off my Bro, the JBPS3 is no-more currently bricked waiting a HD swap.

I was locking up the Stagea with less than half pressure on nearly every corner.

 

[dr_slump]

I was locking up the Stagea with less than half pressure on nearly every corner.

Same here

 

[FastAShecK]

Yeah no online acc at the moment, BUT since I bricked my JBPS3 last night, I'm gonna have to pick up my OFW PS3 off my bro, and I'm gonna try n drive out to get it this week.

I'm not officially testing, I just built myself each Tuners car so I can enjoy taking them out too. I get to race my cars ghost and see how the tuning style compares to my own. I have only taken out the STAGEA so far as my PS3 fried but I sill have my save data for my OFW PS3. I haven't tried it yet but hopefully the app I use to decrypt the save game does indeed unlock the save game and I can run it on my other PS3

Edit

Wow, if that's the case wait till you drive my Beemer, it's probably gonna be locking up all over the place. Are you guys on DFGT or the G wheels? I was even able to run the Beemer as is with a controller and got the same thing, I do get in my brakes pretty hard, check my video lap, you can see how much brake pressure I use, and no lock ups all lap, I think do get into them pretty deep on that first corner especially, and no lock up at all, check the lap replay after, not a tread mark on that corner, and the few times I do leave tread across the lap, its from exceeding lateral grip not brake lock ups.



Shouldn't I be locking up all over? Anybody drive the Beemer yet? The STAGEA I could, scratch that, Had to get into them much much deeper.

I know my weekend warrior driving is not as fast as the forum veterans but 2:08 ain't half bad for my abilities. With no lock up at all all lap, I'm confused, what am I doing different.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

^ Maybe you forgot to turn off ABS or you are an

 

[FastAShecK]

^ Maybe you forgot to turn off ABS or you are an

I certainly have the ABS off, lol.

I've been called many names, and many things in my time, I believe it's the first time I've been called an Alien lol

I'm still a lil weirded out because going off my experience low settings like 3/1 to 0/0 feel very forgiving on the pedal, and when I run stuff like 7/3 on the regular without experiencing lock up like others do, I don't know what to make of it.

I'm positive that if that STAGEA is locking up like that for people my Beemer will be worse, in curious if this is actually the case when people drive it.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

So it must be down to input device, like me, I can run high BB all day without lock up, from 5/3 to 10/9 BB , but this is possible because I use DS2 stick + USB adapter. I can run low BB too, but I always end up pissed with longer braking distance when going as low as 0/0 or 2/1

-drum brakes performance on a modern sports car. 0/0 to 3/1 for me best suited for old classic cars - pre 80's.

I think I am the only one in GTP who runs high BB with no ABS using DS2, I wonder why nobody have tried to use DS2 with no ABS - it's a lot better than using DS3, but those with wheel would be better to stick with wheel anyway - better pedal goes a long way.

Do you mod your pedals, Fastasheck ?

 

[FastAShecK]

So it must be down to input device, like me, I can run high BB all day without lock up, from 5/3 to 10/9 BB , but this is possible because I use DS2 stick + USB adapter. I can run low BB too, but I always end up pissed with longer braking distance when going as low as 0/0 or 2/1

-drum brakes performance on a modern sports car. 0/0 to 3/1 for me best suited for old classic cars - pre 80's.

I think I am the only one in GTP who runs high BB with no ABS using DS2, I wonder why nobody have tried to use DS2 with no ABS - it's a lot better than using DS3, but those with wheel would be better to stick with wheel anyway - better pedal goes a long way.

Do you mod your pedals, Fastasheck ?

Naw, un moded, no sponge, No elastic, nothing. I did take apart the pedals and springs to clean it all out a few months back. I had a slight brake drag that I fixed with cleaning it. It never made sense to me but I used to just go with the flow of ABS-1, once I turned it off I haven't looked back. Originally I had low settings because my driving styles was so adapted to the ABS-1 I was way too liberal with the pedal, I gradually got more smooth and consistent with my braking inputs the BB values began to rise.

Give the Beemer a try. As you can see in my replay I get into the brakes 75% on the first corners and not a wheel locks up, stopping from the highest speed hit on this track. 75% is Deeeeeeeep on the pedal IMHO. You can see the input vary from lil blips around 10% to 50% grabs up to the big hair pin where I went 75% into the brakes. Only 1 time during the entire lap did I get a tire red and that's was a inside front wheel loosing lateral grip in a hard corner. I would think its a pretty good display of well Tuned set up especially the brake balance. More importantly the tune is consistent enough to run lap after lap with times only tenths and hundredths off of each other.

I also use a few choice corners to test out my brakes. Some set ups feel fine until TGTT or Daytona RC push them for real, so I like the quirky corners to see if my tuning is on point. Maybe it's that testing that has honed my braking foot.

I got my lap with inputs displayed posted for comparison and analysis.

 

[TruGenTimeless]

What is the time limit or track time record to achieve? For example less than the r35s actual real time record or jus under 8:05.

 

[trackripper123]

FastASheck could you please get a testers' list up, I won't have access to my PS3 in a few days and so won't be able to add testers as easily. Ideally I want to get it all done now, but as I've said, I don't know who's testing so I don't know who to add.

 

[dr_slump]

Fastasheck all your videos are private, we can't watch them unless you make them public or add our youtube accs (mine is broken though).

What is the time limit or track time record to achieve? For example less than the r35s actual real time record or jus under 8:05.

We're driving on the GP track, not the Nordschleife. The best times are around 2:05 at the moment.

 

[FastAShecK]

Fastasheck all your videos are private, we can't watch them unless you make them public or add our youtube accs (mine is broken though).

We're driving on the GP track, not the Nordschleife. The best times are around 2:05 at the moment.

Sorry for that, I don't know how to make them un private, ill look over and give it a try.. Does this work???

http://youtu.be/-Klg6YIWKe0

I will also fix up the tester post today

 

[praiano63]

Praiano's Miura has an awful behaviour on the brakes.
I'm testing it right now. It's killing me...

Oh and Onboy, answer my damn question! NOW!

EDIT:
The Miura feels a ton better with warm tyres, although it's still very unforgiving. I could manage to do some clean and fast laps though.

The RGT, Miura and NSX are all within 1 second. There's a big chance that the ranking will change after the second runs.
And I still haven't tested all cars yet.

"The RGT, Miura and NSX are all within 1 second"
This sound good.... Would like a lot to be in as a tester. Strange that you've found the car so nasty under brake, myself i'm not a "no ABS" frequent driver, but i didn't feel this at all.
Perhaps it's because i don't use a lot of brakes, even with ABS. With this 2/1 BB setting i'm able to brake strong in a straight line and release almost everything before turning the wheel till inducing a light oversteer oriented to apex. The driving input need to be very sharp.
The G27 brake pedal is not so good for this , when back on my wheel i pretend to drive more no ABS, adding something under the breaking pedal , like extra spring or foam ball....
Need to test several things..

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[FastAShecK]

Let me know if the direct link works, oddly the embedded video comes up private for me too when I click on it in the thread, and I posted it (weird) but the link brings it to YouTube where it plays fine.

You guys would cringe at my YB's BB (cant check em, but I think they are near 6/3) again it don't lock up for me, and the YB since patch 2:10 or something has been one of my Fav cars to drive with seemingly all the quirks out. I did ballast balance her as much as possible tho and that helped quite a bit.