The Problems of GTPlanet

[yabiggoose]

 

[ECGadget]

Well I suppose you cannot please everyone. Though personally I feel the moderators do a fair job here, and being a moderator and admin on other forums I know it isn't easy sometimes. Granted maybe they occasionally overlook the odd post but I firmly believe that that is not intentional.
I have has been in discussions with @Scaff, @SlipZtrEm and they are pretty cool in my opinion. As for @Famine being a behind... I can only surmise he is from yorkshire, since they are pretty harsh in tone at times
Personally I like his blunt tone and his purple writing, and I think he is nice too.

So yup, cannot please everyone. What I have learnt from here? I need to get to know @Ken Koios! And that there is a fine line between joking and insulting; perhaps we need to have something on the site that includes a message about taking most posts with good faith?

 

[Robin]

@Omnis @niky

 

[TenEightyOne]

I didn't even see the 2014 awards... and when I looked I'd only bloody-well won one!

 

[Mike Rotch]

Intnt frms. Srs Bsns.

Seriously mate, in the grand scheme of things, have drama on an internet forum is about 1,285,028,305,204.9 on the list. Keep it in perspective.

 

[super_gt]

@JMoney
I was @loser10 before and I was banned twice(my fault,I was very bad boy)
Then I did third account(my current account)which is again in violation of Acceptable Use Policy.
And year and a half after that I am still here(yes,moderators know that this is me)which mean that moderators are not that bad as you think.

Special thanks to all moderators which allowed me to stay 👍

 

[Brend]

The only issue I would say exists in GTP is a rife sense of clique in certain parts of the forum, anybody I don't like, I just block. Stops any sort of drama and allows my overall experience to be better.

 

[SVX]

I don't understand as to why you feel as if the Darwin Award is such a bad thing. All it really says is that you seriously need to rethink your posting style and attitude if you want to last long at the site. Most people take it as a hint and make a huge U turn, and become a well respected member of the site. It's the misconception of this award that seals the fate for many members who get it.

Also, secondly, if the debating of whether God exists or the coolness of a vehicle gets you in such hot water, why bother with it? It's obviously got you in so many battles and disagreements that you want to leave the site because of it then surely it isn't worth the effort?

Now, I'll agree with the bandwagoning for sure. I put it down to people misunderstanding the reasoning behind the posts that the logical members who have a discussion with you get into, and just blindly attack you even though they don't understand what is being said from either side and why they disagree with you anyway.

Still, if you want to leave, that's your choice - but don't make it seem it's only because of members here.

 

[Grandea GTR]

So what is the count guys? How many times has he 'left for good'?

Now that you mention it, didn't he say that he was done with this site before in a GTP Cool Wall thread?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Best. MrMel impression. Ever.

I am, however, rightfully angry at @SlipZtrEm, a moderator who, during a coolness debate last fall

January.

intentionally misquoted me in a clear effort to insult me.

Didn't change a single word you had said, Assuming we're talking about the time you claimed to speak on behalf of an entire state. This is a message board, so precise choices of words are important to avoid misunderstanding, as we can't rely on much else to know what a member is trying to say.

I guess Slipstream checked the report himself and deleted it before any of the other mods could see it. That incident told me that that some on this site's staff are very immature and undeserving of their postion.

Not only is it unwise to base your view on guesses - you don't know how reports are dealt with - and it's already been covered by others, but there is no possible way to do what you're suggesting. The staff can see every single moderation action the staff take.

...

I said it earlier this week and I'll say it again: the names attached to posts are of little interest to me in debates, it's the content that matters. Doubly so in the O&CE section. It's not personal, and you really shouldn't be taking it so. The last time you "left for good" was with an insult sent to a member of staff, and you're right, you weren't banned (just as you haven't been for this). That's the door to hopeful improvement being left open (as @Danny hinted at with an issue earlier this year).

It's entirely your choice to "leave", but it's an interesting choice to demand the entire website change to satisfy your views. Good luck with that attitude, I guess.

 

[Dennisch]

@JMoney

As others said, don't take it all too serious. In my eyes you've changed well enough to be a long term member. The staff isn't out to get you. Other members behaving gnarly is something you should just ignore. It's the Internet.

 

[Wiegert]

When you bring such a dogmatic mindset to some of the most contentious parts of the forum outside the GT Section and show staunch unwillingness to broaden your viewpoint, you're only going to create a cause for debate. Don't be surprised to find things heat up whenever you get involved.

You've proven yourself to be a more reasonable guy in some of the less heated parts of the site. But when the majority disagree with your views at any point, you shouldn't always take it as a sign of persecution. I'm sure if you'd avoided the most hectic threads instead of going in head first whenever you got the chance, you wouldn't be leaving the site for good (Ver3.0).

 

[Carbonox]

Dat OP, man... It relies so much on assumptions that have, in this very thread, been proven not to be even true...

You're definitely standing on thin ice, so to speak, with those statements, @JMoney.

 

[Famine]

Well, as lead asshole (catchy), I guess it's my turn:

Famine is someone who each time they posts takes the time to type in the code to make their text purple and then boldfaces it. Not just for important posts, but for ALL OF THEM. Famine, as the site's administrator, desires his words to appear far more important than anyone else's.

Oh, if only I had a pound for every time someone complained about my indigo.

Bad news - I had my font as bold indigo about 4 years before I became a member of staff on GTP of any kind. Worse news - I had it as bold cyan when I was at GTTimes and bold indigo at GTNetwork, sites at which I wasn't a member of staff ever. So as far as the part about wanting to appear more important because member of staff goes, no dice I'm afraid.

So why is it? That'll be because it's easier to read a non-black dark colour on a light background (or vice versa, in the case of the dark grey background of GTTimes). You read with the centre of your vision, where there is the greatest concentration of colour-distinguishing cone cells and the smallest (zero) concentration of light/dark-distinguishing rod cells. Yup, I'm helping you to read. You're most welcome.

His avatar is a picture of a book he wrote that we can buy a copy of here on GTPlanet. Rather than showing his favorite car or racetrack, his avatar is essentially an advertisement for GTPlanet, the very website we are already on.

While I was unaware that there was a requirement for our avatars to be our favourite cars (and mine has been a Ford RS200 in the past) or racetracks, you're quite wrong to suggest that mine is an advert for the site. For GTPEDIA itself... maybe. However it's more that it's something I created and of which I am proud.

Indeed my avatar being GTPEDIA is far less of an advert for GTPEDIA itself than the large "GTPEDIA" tab that appears at the top of every page on this site. If you think a GTPEDIA ad appearing on GTPlanet is narcissistic, the existence of that tab should send you into cataplexy. And if you think that tab is bad, try reading the site when you aren't logged in - there are literal banner adverts for GTPEDIA...

It boggles my mind that this website's founder is very polite and helpful while the administrator is a narcisistic egomaniac, who refuses to lock useless threads on the Rumble Strip just because the owner posted a request to lock it rather than changing the title! "No." Famine said, "I can't lock your thread because doing so would remove your embarassing posts as well as my public assertion of power.

A narcissistic egomaniac I may be, but what consists a useless thread is not your call. In fact the thread was actually useful and had generated some discussion up until the point the member who created it decided he'd had enough of it and blanked his first post - then made a useless post requesting a thread lock that no moderator would see unless by accident, rather than reporting it.

We've already established that you do not, by design, know about moderation decisions as they are beyond your site, but this formed part of a series of decisions regarding that member, who now knows to post with better judgement. Discussion continued beyond the point at which the post was restored and the thread has now died an organic death.

Not everything needs locking. And I note that last week you were complaining that I was putting words in your mouth when I asked you a question (which, of course, I wasn't - I was asking a question of a statement you made), but here I see you are attributing a quote to me that I never said - and locking a thread doesn't remove the posts in it, whether embarrassing, a display of power or otherwise...

While we're on the topic of things that have, without warrant, been massaged into history:

As a result of banter with other users I'm a mere 10 warning points from 30. It will be impossible for me to convey my true feelings while staying true to the AUP.

Here's the three things that the staff have had to make button presses for that you've posted:

Is there something you want, a-hole, coming after my posts?

I advise you to shut up until you have something intelligent to say. But I suppose being high on pot keeps you from saying intelligent statements, doesn't it?

Piss off

Banter!


The problem is, I suspect, that you are young. I don't know whether this is because of your physical age or simply a mentality, but you exude youngness - whatever age you actually are, I would not be in a hurry to disbelieve that you are a 14-17 year old. Your character is that of someone who is simply not used to being told that they are wrong, or even having people disagree with you and, as a result, you take everything personally.

One only has to look at what happens in the debates in which you participate, whether it's in the Opinions forum or on the Cool Wall. You make a statement, someone disagrees and you either respond with sarcasm or go off on one - eventually to completely bail on the discussion. This happened with the second quote above, where after being told that the US Constitution doesn't give you any rights (the document instead prevents the US Federal government from making laws that would interfere with them - it holds that the rights themselves are self-evident, so it doesn't grant them) you abused another member and bailed with "This isn't even a debate anymore. Goodbye.". It happened in one of the many deity threads last week. It's happened yesterday in a Cool Wall thread - which is, I assume, what's prompted your current flounce and my crowning as Lead Asshole.

Let's look at this statement:

I realized that would be an impossible task when @Jahgee1124 made my truck a cool wall post as an April Fool's joke. When I saw then what GTP's opinion of me was, I started to think it would be a waste of time to improve myself.

"GTP's opinion" (rather the opinion of the people voting and posting in the Cool Wall thread) was of your truck not of you. The two things are completely separate - but you've chosen to take them as the same thing.

I've owned two cars polled on the Cool Wall - the NA MX-5 and the Accord Type R. The latter of these is not just a car I owned, but it was my actual car nominated AND I was the person that nominated it. Were the 41 people who voted it Uncool or Seriously Uncool insulting me personally (bear in mind that one of those 41 is my wife), or passing an opinion on the car? You said that the MX-5 is "close to perfection"... I think it's quite clear that since you think I'm Lead Asshole of GTPlanet, that opinion is directed at the car and not me as an owner - so why are you taking what people say about your car as a direct reflection of what they think about you as a person?


It's a problem that's manifesting more and more on the internet these days, so it isn't limited to you. It's an offshoot of the Special Snowflake Syndrome we see pervading sites like Tumblr and Reddit, where people create unique identities and disorders (and genders) for themselves and react violently to any dissent. They are special, they deserve attention and their opinion - however stupid - has more weighting than anyone else's because of the identity/disorder/gender they have that makes them so very special. You're not that bad, but the attitude that you can't be questioned is one that underpins that mindset too. Fortunately GTPlanet only has a rule not to behave offensively to other people, not a requirement to behave in a manner that ensures no-one gets offended, or we'd be a lot busier (especially that lazy @Scaff who never does anything) - I can only imagine how busy Tumblr's mods are making sure no-one is ever upset...

While you're on your latest sabbatical, I recommend a period of introspection. Ask yourself why it is you react so badly to having things you believe in factually questioned - surely beliefs should stand up to robust questioning? I met one of my greatest friends and metaparent to my youngest daughter as a result of having something I hadn't thought out too well questioned - here on GTP in the Opinions forum.

Ask yourself why you feel the need to call other members asshole (or a-holes) or call them stupid, or tell them to piss off - and why you need to pretend that you've done nothing wrong in doing so and it's really the asshole mods and their lead asshole out to get you for expressing your thoughts...

Hopefully, on your next return, you're a stronger person.

 

[Tornado]

Were the 41 people who voted it Uncool or Seriously Uncool insulting me personally (bear in mind that one of those 41 is my wife)

Well then duh.

 

[Moglet]

Is there as "Worst in Picture" academy award? Is there a "Worst Director"? No. Anyone who would recieve such an award may end their life in suicide, would they not?.

No but there is The Razzies

 

[dxm8975]

It's all up to you if you wish to leave from this site or not for it not being to your liking or you eventually finding the "acceptable" manners on this forum "obnoxious" from your point of view - but let's not forget that you don't act like an addle-headed numskull who makes fuss of it every time you get yourself in a huff about other users mentioning as to your behavior - having other people pointing to your shortcomings is a good way of rendering yourself aware of other people's mindsets and the manners that are perceived as being "preferable" in public places - such as in society or in a certain community in which you have to get mingled with a lot of people from various walks, including internet forums like GTPlanet. It's easier for you to make yourself feel more comfortable disregarding all of the s**tty and annoying remarks that others give you for a moment, but instead you must remember you ruin the chances of making yourself tolerant to various opinions that other people have and share, thereby improving your attitude to become a more respectful member within that community - at the expense of a guarantee which allows you to stay safe for a longer period in those places.

Oh and personally, whatever you might say in this thread I take it totally unacceptable calling the mods in that pejorative way, like "***hole" or "those kicked in nuts" - I'd be glad to report to the admins for a permanent ban if I come across those "weirdos" like you.

 

[Luminis]

Fix these problems, GTPlanet. I see potential in this site to acheive greatness, but for me the boat will already have sailed.

I haven't been personally involved in any of this, but I can't say I've ever experienced any problems on GTP. Been cross with a member or two and that's it. Making it sound like there objectively are issues that need to be dealt with ASAP is kinda... Well, I don't know, it just seems misleading. GTP's by far the nicest internet community of its size I've been a part of and I'm unwilling to believe that I just coincidentally happen to fit in with a bunch of buttholes.

 

[Joel]

No joke; if you'd rather not ruffle feathers or encourage others to get under your skin, I would suggest spending more time on lighter subjects that aren't so contentious. There's a lot of other stuff on GTP that falls between debating subjectivity/religion and talking about Gran Turismo. There are boundless opportunities to chat without even having a debate at all.

Exactly, I mean the whole point of an online discussion board is to...discuss things. I don't talk about religion with my friends because it doesn't matter and it's not why I'm friends with them. Online in a discussion board, in a thread clearly marked for the discussion of the existence of god isn't the place to expect people to be polite and courteous in their discussion. That's what we all do about all of our opinions in the rest of our daily lives. You can't go into a discussion like that and expect people to agree with, or even respect your views. It's hard to suddenly find people who are challenging and disrespecting your views, but that's life. Other people don't have to respect you or your opinions. It's up to you (and your beliefs) to be worthy of respect.

@JMoney I don't know if you lump me in with "them" or think I'm part of some cool guy book club on GTP but I don't have any personal issue with you. I argue with you in the opinions forum... because I disagree with your opinions. Just as you disagree with mine. I don't think you're an idiot and I don't have any issue with most of your other posts. I think you're a bit arrogant and have a persecution complex, but I don't think you're a bad person. I can be arrogant too, it's something to work on.

Much like with Mr.Mel and W&N, a lot of this comes down to an idea that's present in a lot of your posts, you seem to believe that "they" are out to get you and get in your way. Whether "they" are liberals, atheists, people who don't think your truck is cool, or our Head Asshole forum administrator, you are making very irrational judgments based on that belief. What you accused SlipZtrEm of is silly, there's no reason to think that a moderator could just magically delete a report with no oversight. It's silly to assume that Famine just decided he hates a random dude from Kentucky who he'll never meet in his entire life. Whoever "we" are, "we" aren't out to get you. "We" are just a collection of people with our own lifestyles, opinions, beliefs, and upbringings. "We" are all just trying to live our lives and come here to chat about stuff. Same as you.

 

[phillgt2002]

This all seems so childish. JMoney, at least you got an award. I never get anything.

I've posted some stupid stuff.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Never take the internet seriously, everyone makes mistakes, sure there are examples where people here might be a bit rude but it's easier to let it go.

 

[Beerz]

I'm not going to type much, as I was basically unaware of JMoney's existence up until this thread (I never go to the Opinions forum), but upon reading every post made up to now, there's something that pops; nobody (especially if you're in the Internet) can expect to act all righteous, and lay out personal attacks and dissing people and get away with it freely. There are always going to be comebacks. That's just the way things are.

If one is not ready to deal with consequences in a virtual forum, one should rethink their ways and try to be better and stronger mentally, and same goes for real life.

 

[C-ZETA]

Rekt In Pieces: @JMoney ~ 1420-2015

He was a very special boy...

the Special Snowflake Syndrome we see pervading sites like Tumblr and Reddit, where people create unique identities and disorders (and genders) for themselves and react violently to any dissent

Just Tumblr. In my experience with Reddit it's not only difficult to see unless they flat out say it on a subreddit you very possibly won't see, but any dissent gets downvoted to depths where you can't see it either.

 

[GTPorsche]

I didn't realize this site had problems. I can definitely think of other places on the internet where such problems exist, but it's definitely not GTPlanet, or any other forum I frequent.

 

[MrUnknown]

I belive this one is more suitable:

 

[Davis]

Just Tumblr. In my experience with Reddit it's not only difficult to see unless they flat out say it on a subreddit you very possibly won't see, but any dissent gets downvoted to depths where you can't see it either.

I was going to say the same thing. Reddit hates the special snowflake syndrome, evidenced by /r/cringe.

 

[C-ZETA]

I was going to say the same thing. Reddit hates the special snowflake syndrome, evidenced by /r/cringe.

Mind you, there must still some on Reddit itself. I might have initially denied that they were on Reddit at all. But my point is that they aren't flaunted around because Reddit is seen 'by the post' whereas Tumblr is seen 'by the user'. And while you know what a post is you don't know everything a user could do.

But that's by the by here. The problem here is not @JMoney 's disagreement with opinions as such but the way (and the frequency at which) he responds to them. I mean he can't enjoy his arguments, right? And that's the issue...I mean, he doesn't like it yet he still feels compelled to get back at others. Why feel the need? If you aren't enjoying an argument in one thread, why not just move on to another? And if there aren't any you like, then head somewhere you will enjoy, like I hope he has done...except he only does it after many bouts of anger. That's not how it should be.

But what do I know. He'll be back in a few. (I would say 'for a month before leaving "for good" again' but I shan't go on)

 

[kikie]

I can make GTP whole again so JMoney can come back and make a nice thread, but I have to be a mod to make this happen!

 

[Swara]

No place is an utopia where you have no problems, @JMoney. I guarantee you, there will always be someone who will annoy you, no matter who he/she is or what he/she does. You are never going to have a perfect world where everyone holds hands and sings Kumbaya.

Just my two cents.

 

[tankuroded]

Slightly related: Why hasn't anyone mentioned the seemingly pro-pCARS/AC circlejerk in the GT sub-forums?