The Real Ring Masters Challenge

[Small_Fryz]

Well done rosckolove.

Shame on the such vocal doubters. Very immature.

You want to put your faith and congratulations into someone with that kind of driving standard?

Its clear the mans got some skills, but he is lacking integrity. I mean.. those cuts are ridiculous!

Its like someone claiming a time at Trial Mountain then uploading a video where the car completly misses the last chicane.

 

[rosckolove]

My integrity? I don't race dirty. It just so happens that the only proof I had of my lap happened to be one when I went off track. You have no idea what my standard is.

And if you remember, all of the immaturity started loonnng before the lap was uploaded

It all started when you small Frys couldn't fathom it being possible, after you tried it, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Then I proved you all wrong. But no one wants to say good job, they would rather complain about the lap being invalid. Even though officially it was invalid, it proved I could do what you guys said was impossible.

My integrity, haha... the irony

 

[arora]

The only thing you proved was that we where ignorant enough to think you ran clean.

 

[Villain]

My integrity? I don't race dirty. It just so happens that the only proof I had of my lap happened to be one when I went off track. You have no idea what my standard is.

What else would any of us have to go off of other than what you posted? You posted a dirty lap as "proof" - this is the reaction you should expect.

Come on man, stop trying to pretend you're a victim. I think everyone on here has made it abundantly clear at the standards we hold for ourselves. If you want to prove that you can make those times you claimed by way of a clean lap, we'd all love to see it. 👍

 

[rosckolove]

Well I can't argue that. I did prove your ignorance.

I also proved my pace. That's all it was ever about.

You can check my replay of the spotrace I just did, might change your opinion, unless your going to remain butthurt about the 6:27.

 

[rosckolove]

What else would any of us have to go off of other than what you posted? You posted a dirty lap as "proof" - this is the reaction you should expect.

Come on man, stop trying to pretend you're a victim. I think everyone on here has made it abundantly clear at the standards we hold for ourselves. If you want to prove that you can make those times you claimed by way of a clean lap, we'd all love to see it. 👍

What you fail to realize is thats not important. If any type of intelligence was used, you would see that from reading through the whole thing that it was about proving I could do it, just because the only proof I had of me being "able" to do it was dirty (I ran the lap before I knew what OLR was) doesn't mean I run dirty.

I did everything I said I would, the whole way. You can use that standard of gtp crap all you want but it's not important in this case. Is it important? Yes. Do I agree with it? Yes. But it has nothing to do with this. Subtract the time you think I gained, it's still a fast lap. And even if I was the most annoying elitist forum trolling nutjob, I would wonder where the 3 seconds came from, even if it was dirty, because we all know the off track incidents arent to blame.

I get that the lap was dirty, I get that its considered invalid. But I proved what was in question, with all I had to prove it with.

All you have to say is, Good job on the fast lap. But just so you know thats a dirty lap because you went off track. Or say nothing it all.

As for a replay of a clean lap, I doubt it will happen, because I just recently realized the joy of driving on sports tires, and don't plan on going back anytime soon.

 

[mohitraina91]

You want to put your faith and congratulations into someone with that kind of driving standard?

Its clear the mans got some skills, but he is lacking integrity. I mean.. those cuts are ridiculous!

Its like someone claiming a time at Trial Mountain then uploading a video where the car completly misses the last chicane.

I don't know about his claimed laptimes, but based on my one experience racing with him, he drove cleanly (more than I was expecting at the start of the race ). He had a great chance to divebomb me for the lead, but he held back because it would have turned ugly. Most, if not all dirty drivers would have tried to force a pass, and it could have got ugly. He didn't touch me once, even though he was just a few feet behind me.

I would definitely want to race him again, as it was evident he showed respect out there on the track 👍.

My integrity? I don't race dirty. It just so happens that the only proof I had of my lap happened to be one when I went off track. You have no idea what my standard is.

That being said, some members here are right in saying that the lap you put up as proof is not valid. That corner is difficult to get right, and the way you cut it is definitely a no-no, and won't be accepted as proof anywhere on GTP, and yes, it will bring your integrity into question. Though it's evident you have pace on the 'Ring that very very few people can claim to come close to, you can't use that lap to say you can run a 6'27. You could try doing it again, I'm pretty sure no one will mind you putting up a clean 6'28 👍.

My $0.02/advice.

Post if you're in a room over the weekend, if I'm free I'd love to join.

 

[rosckolove]

I don't know about his claimed laptimes, but based on my one experience racing with him, he drove cleanly (more than I was expecting at the start of the race ). He had a great chance to divebomb me for the lead, but he held back because it would have turned ugly. Most, if not all dirty drivers would have tried to force a pass, and it could have got ugly. He didn't touch me once, even though he was just a few feet behind me.

I would definitely want to race him again, as it was evident he showed respect out there on the track 👍.



That being said, some members here are right in saying that the lap you put up as proof is not valid. That corner is difficult to get right, and the way you cut it is definitely a no-no, and won't be accepted as proof anywhere on GTP, and yes, it will bring your integrity into question. Though it's evident you have pace on the 'Ring that very very few people can claim to come close to, you can't use that lap to say you can run a 6'27. You could try doing it again, I'm pretty sure no one will mind you putting up a clean 6'28 👍.

My $0.02/advice.

Post if you're in a room over the weekend, if I'm free I'd love to join.

I completely understand that its invalid, But its all I had to give when it was being demanded. I can run a 27 clean, I just don't have a vid of it. Its all I had. I never planed on making a habit of it.

I am down for a race anytime. It was great fun and I wish you had better luck the first lap (I was keeping tabs on you and noticed traffic got in your way) Would have been an excellent race between us. I'll be on tonight, if your free. If not I'll cya on the weekend.

 

[Hydro]

A ten point infraction is all I get for this? Common Hydro ban me ffs.

Your request for a vacation is granted 👍

 

[Villain]

What you fail to realize is thats not important. If any type of intelligence was used, you would see that from reading through the whole thing that it was about proving I could do it, just because the only proof I had of me being "able" to do it was dirty (I ran the lap before I knew what OLR was) doesn't mean I run dirty.

That bolded part is a huge reason why you seem to be attracting people who disagree with you. It's really not necessary at all. 👎

Still think that GTP is the problem?

I did everything I said I would, the whole way. You can use that standard of gtp crap all you want but it's not important in this case. Is it important? Yes. Do I agree with it? Yes. But it has nothing to do with this. Subtract the time you think I gained, it's still a fast lap. And even if I was the most annoying elitist forum trolling nutjob, I would wonder where the 3 seconds came from, even if it was dirty, because we all know the off track incidents arent to blame.

I get that the lap was dirty, I get that its considered invalid. But I proved what was in question, with all I had to prove it with.

All you have to say is, Good job on the fast lap. But just so you know thats a dirty lap because you went off track. Or say nothing it all.

Long-winded and condescending. C'mon man... You call it "gtp crap" and yet you follow that right up with saying you agree with it? 👎

As for a replay of a clean lap, I doubt it will happen, because I just recently realized the joy of driving on sports tires, and don't plan on going back anytime soon.

I also doubt it will happen, regardless of the excuse. Don't worry about responding, I'll be leaving this thread for good now.

Have fun with the gtp crap.

 

[Small_Fryz]

It all started when you small Frys couldn't fathom it being possible, after you tried it, then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. Then I proved you all wrong. But no one wants to say good job, they would rather complain about the lap being invalid. Even though officially it was invalid, it proved I could do what you guys said was impossible.

It took us ages to finally get all the details... the wing / no-wing was the difference as that gave us the 3 seconds required in which to make the lap "possible". I stated that multiple times how my comments were based on having all the details correct.

I give you props for your clear skills and I think the best way moving forward is to hold all your laps and this thread to the OLR guidelines used here at GTP and remove any times/claims that do not meet them otherwise your skills will mean nothing.

If you wish to include laps/times with cuts in them then you need to go someplace else with this competition/thread, which btw I wish you good luck with as Ive been involved with over fifteen GT boards and personally competed in time trials with at least half of those in the past eight years and they all ran similar standards. Lets not mention the all the PC sim forums and communities I've been involved with, which also abide by them. So its not just "GTP Crap"

If you choose to stick around I'm still happy to meet you on track in something with sports tyres and have a fair race 👍

 

[phil_75]

It took us ages to finally get all the details... the wing / no-wing was the difference as that gave us the 3 seconds required in which to make the lap "possible". I stated that multiple times how my comments were based on having all the details correct.

I give you props for your clear skills and I think the best way moving forward is to hold all your laps and this thread to the OLR guidelines used here at GTP and remove any times/claims that do not meet them otherwise your skills will mean nothing.

If you wish to include laps/times with cuts in them then you need to go someplace else with this competition/thread, which btw I wish you good luck with as Ive been involved with over fifteen GT boards and personally competed in time trials with at least half of those in the past eight years and they all ran similar standards. Lets not mention the all the PC sim forums and communities I've been involved with, which also abide by them. So its not just "GTP Crap"

If you choose to stick around I'm still happy to meet you on track in something with sports tyres and have a fair race 👍

Nail on head!

You are clearly very good Roscko but you are on GTPlanet so you have to abide by GTPlanets rules.

Put up some clean vids of you in different cars and this will be a great thread where we all try to beat them!

 

[rosckolove]

You guys have this thing against moving forward huh.. or is it not obvious?

repetative.....


ZR1 is fun on sports softs.

maybe a video of fast lap, then a race with your vid lap counting as qualifying?

 

[Z1-AV69]

Dayofwar2009 and I had once some issues with each other online, but I have no doubt he can do those times. I think I even saw a 6.27 from him while I was in the room.

But for something else: How is everyone doing with the new physics after the patch? Yesterday everyone I saw was way slower than before the patch. Times have gone up several seconds for everyone it seems. Did anyone of you come close to pre-patch times yet?

 

[phil_75]

You guys have this thing against moving forward huh.. or is it not obvious?

repetative.....

Thats your biggest problem - Your attitude!

Why have you joined GTPlanet if you just criticise it and don't want to follow "GTPlanets crappy rules"?

Got news, everyone else likes and follows them and it is a requirement of GTPlanet that you too follow them.

Another member gone because of your attitude!

Laterz!

PS- @Mods why can Rosckolove get away with his slagging off of this site and members not to mention his total disregard for the AUP, rules and everything GTPlanet stands for but Aurora gets banned for a comment that was not even bad?

Where's the integrity?

 

[feverpitch82]

can I just ask are you allowed to tune the suspension etc?

 

[feverpitch82]

650pp
Audi R10 TDI Racecar '06_5:50.875 By: (Feverpitch82)

All ive done is raise the ride height a bit on this so there is plenty more work to do on the setup. Transmission will probably make the most difference, its just having the time to test it all out. All aids off, can replicate online anytime.

I dont have an AV cable for my capture card but one is on the way then I can post the videos.

 

[rosckolove]

Thats your biggest problem - Your attitude!

Why have you joined GTPlanet if you just criticise it and don't want to follow "GTPlanets crappy rules"?

Got news, everyone else likes and follows them and it is a requirement of GTPlanet that you too follow them.

Another member gone because of your attitude!

Laterz!

PS- @Mods why can Rosckolove get away with his slagging off of this site and members not to mention his total disregard for the AUP, rules and everything GTPlanet stands for but Aurora gets banned for a comment that was not even bad?

Where's the integrity?

Arora is gone because of his attitude. I had nothing to do with that. My opinion is a little biased, But I feel it was for the "betterment" of GTP.

And i'm sorry if I seemed harsh, I wasn't intending to.

Stop spouting the clean lap/OLR stuff though.. Its not like I don't know, I plan to follow them, When this gets figured out.

Its annoying because I'm past that. But still, sorry for my comment..

I'm currently trying to figure out how to set this up so it doesn't end up a giant list of boring cars like most laptime boards do. Also just because you got a clean lap off (beat a time) doesn't mean your actually good and consistent at the ring. How do you find the people that don't crash out every lap? I'm thinking of getting rid of the lap times, and instead picking a car every week or so, people post up a video of their fastest CLEAN lap, and then those video's act as qualifying for a race. Race winner will obviously be excellent, and consistent. Maybe instead of lap times, have a list of the winners/car for each week, Along with a video of the race posted on youtube for people to watch. The main reason I am putting so much thought into the consistent thing is, even of your 3 seconds a lap faster then everyone else, if you crash every other lap, you won't be winning, hopefully we can get guys in here that can run flat out for a whole 4-8 lap race. Good idea bad idea?

This will help find Fast and consistent drivers. And provide some great racing if people decide to participate.

Lets keep the following discussion on topic with the competition. If you guys see any problem with the idea above, let me know.

@feverpitch82 Yes tuning is allowed, but all of those laps have just been rendered useless by the new update. And the whole idea is possibly being scrubbed anyway (since it was mainly just a stupid title to continue a stupid thread) and it wasn't thought out.

 

[feverpitch82]

I set that lap today so its a 2.09 lap. I can run those sorts of times consistently not a prob.

And if you want to test consistency, why not have 3 lap runs? Whoever has the fastest collective time after 3 laps goes top.

 

[rosckolove]

A hot lap combined with race competition is the best way to find good consistent drivers, and its the most fun since we would be racing each other. I personally hate TTing, I find it boring. Getting 3 near perfect laps off in one shot would take even longer, So thats out for sure.

Thats why I don't want the laptimes up. You can just claim a time and then there it is, its up there, someone could do the same for a shimmenwagon or whatever it is. Now we have a cluttered leaderboard full of cars that most people aren't even interested in (your's isn't the case here, just an example) And it would be more involved this way.

P.S. somwhere I have seen a video of that car getting into the mid 5:40's at 650pp.

 

[feverpitch82]

A hot lap combined with race competition is the best way to find good consistent drivers, and its the most fun since we would be racing each other. I personally hate TTing, I find it boring. Getting 3 near perfect laps off in one shot would take even longer, So thats out for sure.

Thats why I don't want the laptimes up. You can just claim a time and then there it is, its up there, someone could do the same for a shimmenwagon or whatever it is. Now we have a cluttered leaderboard full of cars that most people aren't even interested in (your's isn't the case here, just an example) And it would be more involved this way.

P.S. somwhere I have seen a video of that car getting into the mid 5:40's at 650pp.

unfortunately I suck at tuning but im working on it and someone is looking at the setup, sorting out the transmission etc. Mid 40's is definitely possible but im not sure if the Audi is the ultimate 650pp car for the ring...i'll keep digging and see what I can come up with.

Youre right about the laptimes, its been done before and it just ends up a cluttered mess 👍

 

[mike_gt3]

The quickest 650pp i found for the ring was the Peugeot 905 '92, it was faster than the 2J, i got 5:40 with traffic on the seasonal event no.4

I also had 5:41.216 with the 787B

The GT-one also did 5:41.915


Hard to say what it can do without traffic and draft but you should give them a try , i added ballast to hit 950kg on most of them to keep more power.

 

[rosckolove]

hey mike, your a seasoned veteran when it comes to this stuff. Mind checking the OP and letting me know if it sounds ok? or if you would be interested. Its guys like you I would want in the races so your opinion is important.

 

[mike_gt3]

It look alright to me so far, its a good thing you added the rules and the GTP standard, not that its a different standard to any other, but its fair for everyone to require a clean qualifying lap.

i might have just one question for the moment, would there be more than one round? id be disappointed to participate, get a good qualifying close to the pole, but then get bumped off the track accidentaly in the race. With more than one round it would give more than one opportunity to see where a driver stand. I guess you already thought about that

I have no idea if i will be able to participate, i enjoy competition especially on the 'ring, as long as it is friendly competition.

The main problem right now is i dont have much time to play because of my job, but now that the physic is closer to offline, i have more interest and i will at least visit the room you guys race.

Theres also the WRS events that i would like to participate, just cant find the time, not enought time during one day!

No matter what, if you keep it fair and friendly, it will be a good way to find good people to race with, and theres a lot of good people to race with here


goodluck!

 

[rosckolove]

i might have just one question for the moment, would there be more than one round? id be disappointed to participate, get a good qualifying close to the pole, but then get bumped off the track accidentaly in the race. With more than one round it would give more than one opportunity to see where a driver stand. I guess you already thought about that

I was thinking about that actually, I was thinking about doing 3 races, 3-5 laps each. Every race counts as the qualifier for the next race, best overall score after the 3 races wins that round. And the winner chooses out of the 2 specs for the next round.

Hopefully bumping wouldn't be an issue, at the pace I expect people to be running they should also have the skill to hit the brakes correctly in traffic. But, accidents do happen.

I was also thinking about only taking like the top 5 from each qualifying round to actually enter the race, to make starting in the back a little easier, but I would be super pissed if i didn't make the cut hahaha. And Its also a bad idea because sometimes people (like me) don't have hours to time trial for good position. Or possibly you can only race if your within 5 seconds of the top time? I dunno, That would again put to much on the TTing aspect.

Thanks for your reply.

 

[mike_gt3]

No problem

That sound good, for the qualifying and race, will everyone require to use the same car, same PP etc.. ?

 

[rosckolove]

For the first race i will just choose a regulation standard/spec (better name for that?)

Everyone will run the same car under the same specs(hp,weight,tires ect, ect) then I will have 2-3 pre determined sets of regulations for the next rounds, the winner of the previous round will select from the 2-3 for the upcoming round.

If its a race involving gt500 cars or something like that, I would steal some specs from a current running series and then any of them could be used..

That way the people participating have a chance to choose what kinds of races they want to do. Instead of me dictating it all.

 

[feverpitch82]

No problem

That sound good, for the qualifying and race, will everyone require to use the same car, same PP etc.. ?

I have never seen the peugeot 905 in my car lot in all the years ive played this game! Toyota GT1 I have. Did you tune these or are you running them stock? Im going to try out some different cars today.

It would be great to see you online Mike and actually race...I will put some ballast in my car so you can keep up ( that was a joke )

The format sounds good btw rosckolove. The only difficult thing here is setups, obviously we all like our cars to handle a certain way but the setup can buy you many seconds if its right, so its not really a true test of the driver....but how to get around that one?

 

[mike_gt3]

I was not used to tuning at that time, its mostly diff and ballast tuning, transmission i just played with final ratio if i remember, added ballast to hit 950kg, reduced accel preload to about 12 on the diff and the decel around 8, slightly different from one to another.

Rosko, it look like a good plan, im sure it will be a nice competition:tup:

 

[JayMaSon1]

If people are still going on about getting 6 27 at 550pp, just know, its a very hard time to get, even for the very fast drivers. I have only pulled it off twice, ever. Even getting a 6 29 is hard to do. Drivers like me, dayorwar, A7angel, kizachief, ect, we can get in the 6 20's but not all the time.