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[Driver 101]

Absolutely homes, yes corner cutting is not cool, but if everyone does it, its the same for all, so I don't see that it should be an issue.

Formation lap please, last nights first lap corners were hectic

 

[Carbonox]

I'll definitely boycott if cutting becomes a regular way of driving in a race...

 

[worduphomes]

willfred's video.

willfred I see what you are trying to say, but...

Last nights testing proved that different cars with the same PP are actually a good match. Scalebreakers GTR and my NSX were very, very close in terms of overall performance. I think some track suite some cars better but over a 12 race series that will even out.

If I went to the track in a NSX with say 580pp and waited for scalebreaker to come along a few minutes later with say 585pp GT-R he would definitely have had an advantage.

Your system would however work for ballast... 👍

 

[Driver 101]

I'll definitely boycott if cutting becomes a regular way of driving in a race...

Please, I am not suggesting or implying that its correct or it should become the norm to corner cut. I think it sucks and takes away from the real thing.

But man, for homes to try and police it, that's where the problem is as he has explained.

 

[Carbonox]

Just noting that it should be everyone's duty to read the rules & guidelines, even if some of you are not GTP'ers...

Cutting the chicanes or "shorting" the track at any point is strictly prohibited on all parts of the track
Cutting the chicanes or "shorting" the track at any point is strictly prohibited on all parts of the track
Cutting the chicanes or "shorting" the track at any point is strictly prohibited on all parts of the track

Why is it that you can otherwise obey all the rules just greatly, but when it comes to chicanes which happen to not penalize you when cut, everyone becomes totally horrible...

 

[worduphomes]

Talking of Ballast...

I think we all have a pretty good idea about the various levels of driving ability and I think we are in danger of some people losing interest if just a few drivers start running away with it (like last night), so I am starting to shift towards a variation of the ballast idea...

The problem is to control the ballast is difficult and time consumning. So how about we create a system where the 'ballast' is actually a slight PP disadvantage??? Then willfreds system in his video would be effective and easy to control.

How about:
- No 'ballast' for round 1
- From round 2, the top 5 in the championship get the following PP 'ballast':
1st-7pp, 2nd-5pp, 3rd-3pp, 4th-2pp, 5th-1pp- Then as the season goes along there are various 'spot-prizes' or rewards for regular attendance or challenges etc, where drivers get rewards for doing well in a race by getting say a 3pp advantage for the following race, aimed mostly at the drivers near the back of the championship.

 

[worduphomes]

Cutting the chicanes or "shorting" the track at any point is strictly prohibited on all parts of the track

Carb - I havent actually published the rules for the Rising Sun cup yet. That comes from the Same Car Cup rules.

If Monza allowed their chicanes to be cut to such a degree in real life, everyone would do it and it would be 'the norm'. It's not my fault that Polyphony have different rules to the Italian motorsport federation sanctioned races. I have to leave Polyphony to saction our races because I don't have time.

 

[Carbonox]

Well whatever. Cut all you want, but since I'm able to make every round without problems, I'll just skip Monza altogether... My confidence wouldn't survive another round similar to last season's Sarthe.

Oh, and the GTP rules & guidelines are supposed to be obeyed in EVERY racing series held here...

 

[worduphomes]

If we do use the 'pp-ballast' idea, we would need to create special rules for quali and and an idea to police disconnections because someone could leave the lounge and claim they were disconnected. Then increase their PP and re-enter the lounge...

Don't worry. I have a plan

 

[qsilver73]

CARB-PLEASE CHECK THIS FAST LAP OF M SCHUMACHER USING THE GREEN ON TURNS -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3MFxc-KT2o

 

[Carbonox]

CARB-PLEASE CHECK THIS FAST LAP OF M SCHUMACHER USING THE GREEN ON TURNS -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3MFxc-KT2o

He didn't go straight in the 2nd chicane like these dudes who do anything if it's not penalized...

 

[qsilver73]

Sure he will use more if he had a more user freindly suspension, but thats only a opinion. On the end of the day it is a level playfeild for everyone and remember that its only a game and we must have fun not politics. I am happy with the event as it is. I dont think its easy to keep all of us happy so we need to give homes some credit for a well planed league.

I must agree that scale is in a class of his own , but why penalise one on his brilliant ability to drive a ps3 gt5 car. If you want to beat him go and practise or dont allow him to enter the championship.
I am very happy to be in the same race as he is, as it takes balls to try and beat him and I dont think it will be me this season but am sure someone will.

Remember tht this is only my opinion

 

[Carbonox]

As for the question regarding scale, no one really wants to watch at continuous domination throughout the season - at least I'll lose interest really quickly if every race only consisted of 2nd place battling. Although yes, me and homes gave him a challenge at times, but to keep the playing field as level as last season (to keep everyone interested) we just need to give extra ballast for some guys, with no personal insult in mind.

I'm done. Please inform if there's a spot for a spectator at Monza when the time comes.

 

[qsilver73]

As for the question regarding scale, no one really wants to watch at continuous domination throughout the season - at least I'll lose interest really quickly if every race only consisted of 2nd place battling. Although yes, me and homes gave him a challenge at times, but to keep the playing field as level as last season (to keep everyone interested) we just need to give extra ballast for some guys, with no personal insult in mind.

I'm done. Please inform if there's a spot for a spectator at Monza when the time comes.

I love scale for his ability on gt5 no matter what. I am sure that there is a place for spactators in all events

 

[bronzosback]

i am available as a replacemnet driver if anyone needs a good driver

regards
bronzo

 

[worduphomes]

Thanks Bronzo.

 

[worduphomes]

590pp

After last weeks testing I think we managed to handle to extra speed of 590pp ok, so is everyone ok with upping the limit to 590?

Also, there has been a slight change to the teams.

Driverone0one and petrolheadka have switched form the ARTA NSX to the Calsonic GTR. So worduphomes and canudigthis are now changing from the Epson to the ARTA.

I will add the rules and make a few small amendments to the stort of the thread, so keep an eye on it so you kinow what is happening 👍

 

[OneManRiot]

Hi Homes,

I have a few suggestions regarding Thursday night.Seems like there is a lot of comments regarding corner cutting, bumping etc... How about one of the stand in drivers be the race marshal and watch the race and see if there is any irregularities etc. Fairly simple as the guy has got access to all the lap data and can view them on the spot...This person should also hav mic and then can inform the person who has transgressed to either go into the pits or even write down the incident and post it here for a review after the race and then penalties can be dished out afterwards..
This is just a thought as to how things can be marshalled etc...

As far as the lagging at the start goes, i dont see why we need to do a full formation lap. IMO it will just create a lot of jostling for place in the warm up lap and can lead to potential accidents and not to mention wearing out your tires.... Why dont we just do a rolling start that can be selected from the option menu. The cars are spaced out far enough to avoid any first corner mayhem...

Let me know what you think.

Cheers

 

[Carbonox]

The problem is that all tracks don't have rolling start available in the options, that's why we need to use the formation lap. Yeah, the system blows but we can't do anything to it 👎

 

[Driver 101]

Formation lap worked ok at Suzuka, so I am keen for it.

RE: Stand in driver observing and allocating penalties.

If the lounge is full, he cant join, am I right. And if the lounge isnt full, the stand in driver will drive.

???

 

[Carbonox]

However, I'd want the drivers to keep larger distances during the formation lap. I couldn't really concentrate when the two guys ahead were way too close in front, but I couldn't slow down either because the rest were right there...

Oh, and are we allowed to pass during the front straight at Grand Valley, or do we have to wait until after the 1st corner again?

 

[worduphomes]

Thanks for the suggestions OneMan.

As Driver says, the stand-in driver would be racing. Also, if someone was to be watching they could only focus on one car (and those around it) so they would miss most of the incidents and they would have to be handled by watching the replay anyway.

Regarding the lag: from my experience at least, the really bad lag seems to happen on the first lap, so a formation lap does allow it some time to mostly clear up. When we did it as Suzuka I thought it was a great success, obviously because there were good rules in place. The pole sitter must control the pace well though. At about 75% of race pace is good. If someone lags badly on the formation lap and you think they have gone off the track and you have overtaken them, you can see the way they shoot back past you into position in an unrealistic way, so YOU CAN tell the difference between a lagger and someone who had genuinely gone off the track on the formation lap. Guys MUST keep a decent distance between themselves and the car in front because if you dont and the pole sitter slows the field right down before the start, you could be caught out and accidentally overtake or slam the car in front which will obviously lead to the appropriate penalty.

Carbon - Yes overtaking will only be allowed after the 1st corner on lap 2. It must be this way because, the pole sitter would just get slipstreamed on the straight and lose the position they earned.

 

[Driver 101]

Update...Update...Update

I am gonna have to do it after work..man I hope its not too long

 

[OneManRiot]

Update...Update...Update

I am gonna have to do it after work..man I hope its not too long

Hey Driver,

Why not try and download it at work and save it to your flash drive. That way you can just update it via your flash and don't have to wait for the PS3 to download it.

Just make sure that you create a folder named “PS3” on the USB. Within the PS3 folder, create a folder named "UPDATE".(All CAPITAL letters)

Download the update data and save it in the "UPDATE" folder.
Then insert the USB and from the home menu, select settings and then System Update.

Then select Update via Storage Media and follow the on-screen instructions to complete the update.

Cheers

 

[Carbonox]

I can police the replays if necessary (at least partially), only I can't do it immediately after the race because my school's already begun. Is it okay for you then? My idea of 30 second penalties for every cut individually is still active...

If this works out, you'll maybe see me at the grid in Monza.

 

[Driver 101]

Wow, thanks OneMan

I have tried before from USB but I never knew you have to create a folder within a folder and name it.

This is really useful, thanks again.

 

[worduphomes]

The following are the rules for the rolling start tonight. Please read.

I will add 1 lap to the total number of laps. when the lights go green we start a 'formation lap' with no overtaking until after the 1st corner on lap2.

The first corner is defined as the sharp right at the end of the main straight.

The pace on the formation lap will be controlled by the pole sitter and he must please try and drive around half to 75% of race speed. Once we get to the last chicane on the lap (sharp left and then right with concrete run-off area on the left on the exit) the pole sitter can accelerate up to race speed at any point he wishes.

The only time anyone is allowed to overtake anyone else is if a car ahead goes off the track. If you go off the track during the formation lap, you loose your position and cannot overtake to get back to your grid position. You must slot in anywhere you can without coliding with another driver. The formation lap is officially complete at the exit of the first corner on lap2. Drivers are not allowed to brake hard or make and dangerous moves on the formation lap to try to displace another driver.

If someone lags badly on the formation lap and you think they have gone off the track and you have overtaken them, you can see the way they shoot back past you into position in an unrealistic way, so YOU CAN tell the difference between a lagger and someone who had genuinely gone off the track on the formation lap

I will save a replay of the race and drivers will be deducted an appropriate amount of points for any misbehaviour on the formation lap.

 

[worduphomes]

I have updated the front page of this thread with rules etc. Please read them so you dont get a penalty because you 'didn't know'...

 

[Carbonox]

I still claim the right to reclaim my position anytime if I get shunted off the track by someone else, be it a lagger or just a guy who made a braking error.

 

[worduphomes]

Stand-in drivers

Some of the drivers who have signed up for this series have either told me they are not going to make it tonight or I have not heard anything from them, so anybody wanting to join tonight as a stand-in driver, please come to my lounge at 8pm gmt and bring one of the following cars (capable of 590pp):

- Lexus SC430 Petronas Tom's Super GT '08
- NSX Epson Super GT '08
- Toyota Supra Denso Sard JGTC '00

You will be able to drive, initially as a stand-in, but if the missing drivers from the initial list do not arrive and we don't hear from them before round 2, you will be given their position in the championship in your own right and we will deal with the team issues once the regular grid is settled.