The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread
- Thread starter TomN
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RC45So they literally are making up the firmware as they go along. It would seem that their firmware v34 was damaging the wheels - they admit it was able to cause corruption in the flash memory.
I wonder how small their beta test pool is. Firmware/bios updates should not be taken on so lightly - they are bowing to pressure to rush their solutions to market.
Look for v36 firmware to fix the next cockup
I think you're reading way too much into it. These look like the release notes you'd see for any piece of software, from independent shareware to major OS updates. There will always be bugs.
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- RC45
- RC45
5th version of the BIOS in 2 months? No, that is not normal for a properly tested and developed piece of hardware - that is CLASSIC indicaiton of a product rushed to market and left to the end users to test and debug.
TM have played the consumers - that would be us, for suckers.
They have not fully regression tested their firmware releases - proof is in the hasty release of post-fix fixes.
In short, pisspoor QC for a very expensive product - I will hold off firmware upgrading my T500 until they have a STABLE version out. I refuse to be their unpaid beta tester.
5th version of the BIOS in 2 months? No, that is not normal for a properly tested and developed piece of hardware - that is CLASSIC indicaiton of a product rushed to market and left to the end users to test and debug.
TM have played the consumers - that would be us, for suckers.
They have not fully regression tested their firmware releases - proof is in the hasty release of post-fix fixes.
In short, pisspoor QC for a very expensive product - I will hold off firmware upgrading my T500 until they have a STABLE version out. I refuse to be their unpaid beta tester.
You know what, the product is not completely flawless, but you seem quite keen on exaggeration and drama ever since I joined this thread last month. It seems like you are just trying to bait people into senseless arguments so I'm not going to engage into one with you.
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- RC45
- RC45
That is because you have nothing. You laughed when I told you a v35 will fix the hardware failure v34 was causing - and lo and behold - I was correct.
v35 fixes what they broke. They even admit it, corruption of the flash ram.
I have been spot on from day 1, you have simply attacked my POV each time it is validated.
If nobody upgraded their firmware waiting for the next one to test it, nobody would ever know which version is actually stable. Food for thought.
I work in software development. There is one univeral truth: everything has bugs. No matter how well you test it, end users will find issues in ways you'd never imagined. While I'm not an expert in the firmware or drivers department, I imagine it's complex as hell and stuff is bound to get messed up in certain cases. With firmware it's especially dangerous since it could potentially render the hardware useless. I guess it's a risk worth taking, because the alternative is no firmware upgrades at all and hence no improvements.
With warranty coverage, the risk for the user is minimal. It's inconvenient having to return a unit and waiting for a new one, but that's about it.
What bothers me more is the rather big quality issue that TM seems to have with the wheel itself. I'd say with better engineering or (more likely) better manufacturing, we wouldn't see quite so many issues.
I work in software development. There is one univeral truth: everything has bugs. No matter how well you test it, end users will find issues in ways you'd never imagined. While I'm not an expert in the firmware or drivers department, I imagine it's complex as hell and stuff is bound to get messed up in certain cases. With firmware it's especially dangerous since it could potentially render the hardware useless. I guess it's a risk worth taking, because the alternative is no firmware upgrades at all and hence no improvements.
With warranty coverage, the risk for the user is minimal. It's inconvenient having to return a unit and waiting for a new one, but that's about it.
What bothers me more is the rather big quality issue that TM seems to have with the wheel itself. I'd say with better engineering or (more likely) better manufacturing, we wouldn't see quite so many issues.
very interesting video about removing the steering wheel. http://www.youtube.com/user/THRUSTMASTERofficial , certainly some will be surprised
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- momorious
Wheel buyers guide now online from ISR!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eYcSNWVns&hd=1
You see, Jessica, Darin and Shaun all would take the T500 RS wheel - except you are racing on a xbox 360, then they would take the GT2. But for PC and PS3 Racing they all saif that the T500 RS is the best wheel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-eYcSNWVns&hd=1
You see, Jessica, Darin and Shaun all would take the T500 RS wheel - except you are racing on a xbox 360, then they would take the GT2. But for PC and PS3 Racing they all saif that the T500 RS is the best wheel.
5th version of the BIOS in 2 months? No, that is not normal for a properly tested and developed piece of hardware - that is CLASSIC indicaiton of a product rushed to market and left to the end users to test and debug.
TM have played the consumers - that would be us, for suckers.
They have not fully regression tested their firmware releases - proof is in the hasty release of post-fix fixes.
In short, pisspoor QC for a very expensive product - I will hold off firmware upgrading my T500 until they have a STABLE version out. I refuse to be their unpaid beta tester.
With all due respect, any of us that have purchased this wheel from the start are technically beta testers. There are always bugs and quirks from newly released products, especially of a new design. I've gone through my few faulty wheels and enjoying the one I have with the latest firmware.
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- RC45
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Hmmm - at 24:30 they show the T500 mounted to a rig that *gasp* rocks and shakes... can we take anything they say seirously is they are using a rig that shakes so much?
ShylockHolmes
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Yeah, but on PS3 they couldn't use the Clubsport pedals anymore so it's a wash.
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- DaveTheStalker
Like I've said, the T500 is the first of the next generation sim wheels.
For sure (definitively a next level) 👍
hampus_dh
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This was the lamest episode i´ve ever seen from them.
They promise a bunch of stuff yet it never really shows up in the shows.
Fanatec cockpit - claimed it was trouble with shipping many many months ago.
Thrustmaster - said a review coming out next month (when they did the unboxing)
Instead they make a half-assed show talking about each wheel what we already know.
hampus_dh
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Sensitive as in twitchy?
in TS program, if there is one. it should be att full 1080.
In Iracing after you have calibrated it, it should say 1080 but it will only use so many degrees that the real car has in real life. So there won´t be a mechanical stop if you go over those degrees.
If you already done this then i´m not really sure what you mean.
They are racecars so they have to be sensitive. Maybe dial the FFB in Iracing software down some. You should always have full 100% FFB in TS software but then adjust it in IRacing to make it fit you.
The FFB should not be to strong since it will dilute some of the information of the road etc.
Yeah it's really twitchy. I've never got this feel from race cars in GT5 or GTR. I see the in game wheel moves about as much as my T500, so I think that's set up right. But I'll try setting the wheel to 1080° in the driver (it's currently 900° default value).
It's basically just that when I turn the wheel ever so slighty, say 1/8th of a turn, the car already corners quite hard making me spin out pretty easily.
hampus_dh
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Yea set it to 1080 in the software. It supports it so even though it doesn´t really do anything it´s just better.
Have you downloaded a setup etc? base setups are pretty ****** and that could be why the backend comes with the slightest of movement.
Other things to consider is that it´s like i said, a racecar. It´s all about fine tuning the inputs while on the limit. Sudden movement will unsettle the balance and you´ll be facing the other way.
The track is laserscanned so you have to learn the track very good to know where all the bumps are because if you turn at one place and there´s a bump there it can unsettle the car aswell unless you tweak the setup to cope with bumps better etc.
It´s alot more to think about with laserscanned tracks and how you use the tracks different elevations to help you out of corners or whatever
Basically the Riley is a special car to drive and you cannot drive it like other cars.
First you have the diff. Never ever touch the gas while turning. Slight gas will result in understeer. No gas and the front end just turns in like it´s on rails
So when your coming up to the corner, shift down and brake, turn in and point it in the direction you want to go and then hit the gas.
Other cars you can get on earlier and still go in the direction you want etc.
If you feel the car is slightly over-steery then lower the rear shocks one or two clicks and it should dial out the nervous overteer. This can lead to slight understeer so you have to find a balance which suits your driving style the best.
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- OwensRacing
If the car us twitchy add toe in on the front. Try a .25" and work back.
As well if the rear us just loose consider softer spring. Less rear camber. Softer sway. Less diff. Or stiffen the front. Many things can help bring balance back to the car.
As well if the rear us just loose consider softer spring. Less rear camber. Softer sway. Less diff. Or stiffen the front. Many things can help bring balance back to the car.
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I agree 100%, that was a complete waste of time and effort, I dont think there is really a single person that cares about anything that they said in that video, I wish they would just cut the crap and put out the full Thrustmaster T500 RS review and stop playing stupid games with their viewers.
They still never put out the full Gran Turismo 5 review either, I dont get it, I dont want to say they suck but .
I love Jessica, she is sooo cute and shapely, but I can see the pain in her face when she keeps getting corrected because she does not know what the hell she is talking about, if she didnt look so nice, I would say get rid of her, but I do like looking at her!!
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Yeah, I know it's OT, but yeah, that was a disappointment. They got more in depth with the long obsolete MOMO and DFP than they should have, barely talked about the G27 or even the GT2, didn't really offer much useful info, and while I respect that they're trying to make Jessica more than "eye candy" and show that ANYONE can sim race, man, it's hard to take them seriously when she can't get her terminology straight and just mangles words... in her defense, Shaun and Darin do that too often as well.
I like ISR a lot, and dig what they do, they just need someone better to direct their show for them, script out some segments, and keep them on track... their reviews need some consistency.
Interesting thread...
I purchased a T500 a little over a week ago, and whilst it's a great wheel, and totally changes the level of immersion in GT5, sadly it does have some flaws for something that's almost twice the price of a G27 (of which I had prior to this wheel).
RC45 continues to point out the FW flaws (I might also add a certain manufacturer of expensive enterprise products (Servers, SAN, etc) has released equipment with BIOS bugs, and proceeded to release updated BIOS/ESM FW containing bugs, so Thrustmaster aren't the only ones doing it).
Clearly V33 has issues, I didn't see V34 but I have applied V35 as my wheel was losing the self centre point every couple of days, I guess i'll see how the latest FW pans out in that regards.
One thing i've noticed with my wheel is that when new it had a minute amount of axial play, which has slowly worsened and as a result the wheel's belt noise has increased. It hasn't affected how the wheel feels, or how the FFB works, but it's a concern as mechanical faults don't get better - they get worse.
The positive thing is Thrustmaster isn't ignoring it's user base and are proactive with how they're handling these issues. You can argue these are issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place but that'd only be in a perfect world.
I purchased a T500 a little over a week ago, and whilst it's a great wheel, and totally changes the level of immersion in GT5, sadly it does have some flaws for something that's almost twice the price of a G27 (of which I had prior to this wheel).
RC45 continues to point out the FW flaws (I might also add a certain manufacturer of expensive enterprise products (Servers, SAN, etc) has released equipment with BIOS bugs, and proceeded to release updated BIOS/ESM FW containing bugs, so Thrustmaster aren't the only ones doing it).
Clearly V33 has issues, I didn't see V34 but I have applied V35 as my wheel was losing the self centre point every couple of days, I guess i'll see how the latest FW pans out in that regards.
One thing i've noticed with my wheel is that when new it had a minute amount of axial play, which has slowly worsened and as a result the wheel's belt noise has increased. It hasn't affected how the wheel feels, or how the FFB works, but it's a concern as mechanical faults don't get better - they get worse.
The positive thing is Thrustmaster isn't ignoring it's user base and are proactive with how they're handling these issues. You can argue these are issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place but that'd only be in a perfect world.
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- momorious
The wheel is now in stock at amazon.co.uk and amazon.de!
hampus_dh
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Yup, i like the other guy they have in the show that pops up every once in a while.
It becomes apparent that Jessica is just eye-candy when they show clips of her driving lol. 5mph just cruising around.
I´m tired of all the exuses etc even though i appreciate the shows i´ve seen but this was a complete joke tbh.
Funny is that they have a confirmation option on their youtube videos if you want to write a comment.
This means that they ignore the bad ones and fool everybody in to thinking everybody likes it. it´s pathetic.
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Interesting thread...
I purchased a T500 a little over a week ago, and whilst it's a great wheel, and totally changes the level of immersion in GT5, sadly it does have some flaws for something that's almost twice the price of a G27 (of which I had prior to this wheel).
RC45 continues to point out the FW flaws (I might also add a certain manufacturer of expensive enterprise products (Servers, SAN, etc) has released equipment with BIOS bugs, and proceeded to release updated BIOS/ESM FW containing bugs, so Thrustmaster aren't the only ones doing it).
Clearly V33 has issues, I didn't see V34 but I have applied V35 as my wheel was losing the self centre point every couple of days, I guess i'll see how the latest FW pans out in that regards.
One thing i've noticed with my wheel is that when new it had a minute amount of axial play, which has slowly worsened and as a result the wheel's belt noise has increased. It hasn't affected how the wheel feels, or how the FFB works, but it's a concern as mechanical faults don't get better - they get worse.
The positive thing is Thrustmaster isn't ignoring it's user base and are proactive with how they're handling these issues. You can argue these are issues that shouldn't have been there in the first place but that'd only be in a perfect world.
100% correct.
I have felt the failure of 1 or 2 HP BIOS failures before, possibly why I am a little gun-shy to just rush in and patch something unless I experience the issues it addresses.
And even the positive comments get moderated - I tried posting how great the T500 was and they pretty much waited so long to approve them the comments didnt even match the current discussion
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