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can anyone tell me what Version these T500 pedals are 1-5?
looks like compression spring?
looks like compression spring?
The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread
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mykem
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If you look underneath the steering wheel housing where the Serial Number is situated you should easily discern the Version number. It should read something like V1 or V.1 etc.
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FYI, the 35kg version should be available within a couple of weeks -- I'm still working out the e-commerce details.
Darin Gangi currently has some other things going on that have prevented him from starting the evaluation of the 15kg version, so until he gets a chance to provide feedback on the usability of that "lightweight" version, I won't be able to determine if it will be feasible to market BOTH a 35kg version and a 15kg version.
That said, my initial production run will be 25 of the 35kg units, which will be identical to the unit that Darin tested on InsideSimRacing.tv.
Also, if anybody's interested, this video does a good job of showing the type of precise braking inputs that are possible when using the current 35kg version of my load cell mod (this is a replay of me in the iRacing Spec Racer Ford at Barber Motorsports Park, which has several tricky braking zones). The video has the brake/throttle display posted mid-screen, so you can clearly see the braking and throttle inputs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN4B8RpAhrA
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No plans for a paddle shifter mod -- still trying to make the load cells a reality!
That said, all the parts have arrived for my first production run, which means I've been busy all weekend building-up load cells.
Unfortunately, I've had to trim the length on about 50% of the brackets, so far -- not overly difficult, but tedious and time-consuming, and something I hadn't anticipated.
Gotta love small-run custom manufacturing (NOT!).
Still, though -- definitely making progress, which is good!
EDITED TO ADD: Pretty maids all in a row:
That said, all the parts have arrived for my first production run, which means I've been busy all weekend building-up load cells.
Unfortunately, I've had to trim the length on about 50% of the brackets, so far -- not overly difficult, but tedious and time-consuming, and something I hadn't anticipated.
Gotta love small-run custom manufacturing (NOT!).
Still, though -- definitely making progress, which is good!
EDITED TO ADD: Pretty maids all in a row:
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Cool,
Has a price been decided yet? Also will there be worldwide shipping available?
Has a price been decided yet? Also will there be worldwide shipping available?
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No plans for a paddle shifter mod -- still trying to make the load cells a reality!
That said, all the parts have arrived for my first production run, which means I've been busy all weekend building-up load cells.
Unfortunately, I've had to trim the length on about 50% of the brackets, so far -- not overly difficult, but tedious and time-consuming, and something I hadn't anticipated.
Gotta love small-run custom manufacturing (NOT!).
Still, though -- definitely making progress, which is good!
EDITED TO ADD: Pretty maids all in a row:
Will there be an issue of calibrating the brake pedal now because these modified load cells will shorten the pedal travel?
mykem
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This is a pure guess (I'm hardly qualified):
If you've watched the preview by Darin and Shaun at ISR, you'll see that John added a signal box behind the brake pedal. That's where the load-cell signal will be engaged (remember it's a pressure sensitive device) and sent to the software. But on the box, there's another input for the original pedal cable/output and I'm pretty sure that where the signal from the brake potentiometer is bypassed/terminated and the software/game will then use whatever signal/pressure afforded by the load-cell as the source for calibration.
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can anyone tell me what Version these T500 pedals are 1-5?
looks like compression spring?
That should be a V4 or up as far as I know. Below V4 they used torsion springs.
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Thanks for fielding this one, mykem -- I can confirm that you will have exactly the same range and resolution with the load cell as you currently have with your potentiometer-based T500 brake pedal. The only difference will be that it won't be a matter of how FAR you press the pedal to get full range, but how HARD you press the pedal.
You will also be able to "short-calibrate" the pedals so you only need to push as hard as you WANT to push during the calibration routine in order to get full braking force. This makes it easier to threshold brake with a lighter (and less fatiguing) amount of pressure.
In my mind, this kind of eliminates the need for a "lightweight" 15kg version, but for the average user I think the tendency will be to simply MASH AS HARD AS POSSIBLE during calibration, then complain about how hard it is to get full braking with the 35kg unit, which makes it seem harder to threshold brake given the pedal's limited pedal travel. I'm pretty sure this is what caused the main complaint from one of my initial testers, who is a dedicated Fanatec CSP user, and without the amount of travel available with the CSPs, I doubt that my brake mod probably will ever feel "right" for folks like that.
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This guy is making these on the iracing forum and are top quality.
But they aint cheap .
But they look amazing . $495
But they aint cheap .
But they look amazing . $495
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It's expensive but if it's a real deal MOMO Mod.26 that sells for around $180-$200, Knitters pushbutton switches for around $10 each and I would say the rest is paying for the fine handiwork that is the plate and the Screw-release mount.
I don't know the size of the rim but even with the mounting plate and the switches, my bet is that it still weighs just slightly over 2 lbs or 0.91kg- the 290mm version of the Mod 26 weighs in at 1.9 lbs (0.86kg).
I don't know if it's lighter than the T500RS GT or F1 rim- I think both weighs around 2 lbs each but it should be much lighter than either of the current wheel offerings for Fanatec CSW- the BMW rim at a FF-sapping 4.75 lbs (2.17kg) and the Formula rim at 2.7 lbs (1.23kg). Both these rims as well the T500RS rims use plastic to house all the electrical connections which add significant amount of weight.
I don't know the size of the rim but even with the mounting plate and the switches, my bet is that it still weighs just slightly over 2 lbs or 0.91kg- the 290mm version of the Mod 26 weighs in at 1.9 lbs (0.86kg).
I don't know if it's lighter than the T500RS GT or F1 rim- I think both weighs around 2 lbs each but it should be much lighter than either of the current wheel offerings for Fanatec CSW- the BMW rim at a FF-sapping 4.75 lbs (2.17kg) and the Formula rim at 2.7 lbs (1.23kg). Both these rims as well the T500RS rims use plastic to house all the electrical connections which add significant amount of weight.
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The T500RS via its 2012_TTRS_2 driver (released just prior to rF2 beta availability) made it the first wheel to take advantage of "next-gen" FF including that of rF2.
With that said, I've had only a few hours using the T500RS in rF2- my circa 2009 iMac can barely handle it and I'm waiting for the updated iMac- the FF felt as good as I had expected. I did pull out my G25 just to see how they stack up against each other but there's no contest. While the the G25 may feel slightly faster or more direct, to me that's the result from having less power and torque. Still, I can see why some people would still prefer the G25/G27 (if what they prefer is faster time over immersion).
While the T500RS is in no way slow and unresponsive, it does provide a more weightier (and meatier) FF. For example in rF2 when I step onto the brake, the weight (sensation) rolled not only through me but it also enveloped around me. It's a pretty amazing sensation.
The same when I was steering into corners or moving through a tight chicane- the weight shift felt lengthier and in direct comparison to the G25, might appear slightly sluggish. And if the car had a tendency to oversteer (like the Historic F1) or exit lift-off oversteer, the added torque from the T500RS FF (which has been measured to be double that of the G27) can make it harder to control. The flip-side to that is that even at this point and when I know the car will spin regardless, I was still getting tonnes of FF info regarding the tires and the car itself. Besides, I tend to believe that realistic FF should provide not only the pleasing effects but also that which makes driving much harder.
There are other opinions on ISI forum: http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.p...r-T500-rs-owners-come-to-this-thread!!!/page2
And Tim W. (of ISI) is a T500RS user.
Thanks, John. The weight reduction is pretty amazing. I would love to build one myself as $500 is a bit out of my reach- maybe if I covert back to PC (from Mac) I can afford it but I'm too far into the dark side to make the switch.
On the subject of the T500RS- I don't know if this has been mentioned earlier (although I did in a separate thread) but here's some info on the motor in the T500RS. It's a variant on Buehler 1.13.044.xxx
I remember reading somewhere that the 1.13.044.289 could be the version with Hall encoder (none of the other variant seems to have it) and was probably an OEM product (in this case TM). You can buy the non-ecoder variant here for around $120 roughly 20% of the T500RS price. That's quite a bit compare to the $30/each motor (Johnson HC685LG-011) in the G25/G27 (dual motor) and $10/each (Mabuchi RS550 although it could also be the RS555) in the CSW/CSRE (also dual motor).
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This guy is making these on the iracing forum and are top quality.
But they aint cheap .
But they look amazing . $495
Are you kidding me?500$ is an absord and dishonest price 👎
you can add 200$ and buy the CSW with the BMW steering wheel!And please tell me:
I know that this wheel isn't compatible with the T500 rs but I'm speaking about production costs! the BMW steering wheel is much better and it has a much better look, and it costs only 270$ so why the hell that one should cost 500$?
crazy world
mykem
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Are you kidding me?500$ is an absord and dishonest price 👎
And please tell me:
I know that this wheel isn't compatible with the T500 rs but I'm speaking about production costs! the BMW steering wheel is much better and it has a much better look, and it costs only 270$ so why the hell that one should cost 500$?
crazy world
The MOMO wheel itself sells for around $200. If you read my earlier post (maybe I'm on your ignore list which might explain a lot) you'll see that unlike the Fanatec replica wheel, this one actually uses actual racing car parts. A bit overkill but it's not a toy. The Fanatec is great but at almost 3 times the weight, not only are you getting less responsive FF but one that will shorten the lifespan of the any FF motors (with ECCI or Leo Bodnar's high torque motor being the two exception). With any FF wheel especially the cheaper ones (that include the CSW and the T500RS), look isn't everything. It's about finding the right compromise.
And if you're good as building things yourself, you can build the $500 wheel for the same price as the Fanatec BMW rim.
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I believe the adapter comes from DSD:
http://www.derekspearedesigns.com/Wheel-Adapters.html
Not sure if it is a DSD wheel plate, but, wheel plates:
http://www.derekspearedesigns.com/Wheel-Plates.html
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