The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread
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Mr Latte
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RC the only person relating your cockpit to actual racing is YOU.
You go off on your silly replies trying to defend a cockpit to actual movement in a car. Farcical comparison and thats not what the comment was about. Your cockpit simply isn't stable. Surprised you put up with it as you clearly on this thread are the biggest critic of the wheel.
I don't think any new cockpit if reviewed would see such movement as a good or bonus feature nor would I imagine it would be acceptable to most in how it moves. Yet your attempt to propose it helps with simulation is just funny as hell.
Again my point was how you are so critical to please yet have such a cockpit and use tacky clamps for the pedals. Once again you seem fine to criticise but don't take to well to any yourself.
You go off on your silly replies trying to defend a cockpit to actual movement in a car. Farcical comparison and thats not what the comment was about. Your cockpit simply isn't stable. Surprised you put up with it as you clearly on this thread are the biggest critic of the wheel.
I don't think any new cockpit if reviewed would see such movement as a good or bonus feature nor would I imagine it would be acceptable to most in how it moves. Yet your attempt to propose it helps with simulation is just funny as hell.
Again my point was how you are so critical to please yet have such a cockpit and use tacky clamps for the pedals. Once again you seem fine to criticise but don't take to well to any yourself.
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Mr Latte
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Losing your rag again are we.
I forgot this was the RC45 thread and the only opinion that seems to matters is yours. Like I said any average person would agree your Playseat is far from ideal. I didn't say you claimed anything but in the thread previously did relate to the movement in a simulation aspect.
You have a problem with that comment and feel the need to make it a big issue fine.
I wonder if the wheel is amazing today or back to being an incremental improvement.
After almost 3 weeks you still can't decide.
I forgot this was the RC45 thread and the only opinion that seems to matters is yours. Like I said any average person would agree your Playseat is far from ideal. I didn't say you claimed anything but in the thread previously did relate to the movement in a simulation aspect.
You have a problem with that comment and feel the need to make it a big issue fine.
I wonder if the wheel is amazing today or back to being an incremental improvement.
After almost 3 weeks you still can't decide.
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The long and winding road.........
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Wow...Rc, Latte...really?... Again? I think you two could be best of buddies IRL. 
There is only one way to settle your differences...first one to post a drift (or drift attempt) vid wins. Incidenlty, anyone else fortunate enough to have one already, don't feel left out. There's a prize for anyone posting a drift vid using the T500.
OK, I lied about the prize.
There is only one way to settle your differences...first one to post a drift (or drift attempt) vid wins. Incidenlty, anyone else fortunate enough to have one already, don't feel left out. There's a prize for anyone posting a drift vid using the T500.
OK, I lied about the prize.
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He has no problem with the stand so why do yo have a problem with it? Are you going to piss and moan about anything and everything RC45 cause you don't like him? Do us a favor and move on, please, take all your drama with you. Though I'm sure someone else who hasn't seen the wheel, let alone used it, will come along and defend as if it was his firstborn.
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Come on guys... either cool off or take it elsewhere. I'd like to hear about the wheel. I'm a way off of being able to afford such a treat but I DO LIKE!
My only experience has been a few sessions with a Logitech DFP and GT5 / GT Legends / GTR2. With those games I was very impressed. Would you say that a (budget) wheel novice would notice a difference jumping on to the T500 RS with GT5, even if I haven't got the DFP to compare it to?
My only experience has been a few sessions with a Logitech DFP and GT5 / GT Legends / GTR2. With those games I was very impressed. Would you say that a (budget) wheel novice would notice a difference jumping on to the T500 RS with GT5, even if I haven't got the DFP to compare it to?
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Wow...Rc, Latte...really?... Again? I think you two could be best of buddies IRL.
There is only one way to settle your differences...first one to post a drift (or drift attempt) vid wins. Incidenlty, anyone else fortunate enough to have one already, don't feel left out. There's a prize for anyone posting a drift vid using the T500.
OK, I lied about the prize.
I suck at drifting and frankly don't understand it. So I guess I forfeit the prize
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I've had a DFP since release and have loved every minute of using it...until...
I tried my friend's G27...
The day after I played again using my DFP and realised the old girl needed to be put out to pasture...
I ordered the T500 moments after and have taken the GT5 disc out and started playing Red Dead, until it arrives. I can no longer use the DFP.
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I suck at drifting and frankly don't understand it. So I guess I forfeit the prize
Loooooooser!
Which is EXACTLY what I pointed out. The seat/wheel stay fixed relative to each other but the PERSON moves.
In your living room YOU dont move about subject to G-forces. So having the wheel move slightly is no different than the lateral G-force induced movement your arms would be subject to in the real car. So again, you simply deal with it
What? having the steering wheel or chassis move around because it's not properly secured does not resemble anything like the forces "your arms would be subject to in the real car."
Just because there exists a force that "you simply deal with" doesn't mean that it is an intended/realistic/correct force by any measure.
Mr Latte
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I don't have a problem with it at all, I have an opinion of how it moves and expressed that opinion. We didnt need any stupid pointless comparisons or him trying to be ever so clever and relate it's movements to that of a real car. A real cars wheel mount does not flex so any comparisons to a cars actual physical movement is just dumb.
Everyone else that comments on the wheel from their experience in using it can do so without being so OTT or have to make some attention seeking comments about it.
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For rFactor I've also tried T500 RS profile example found here :
http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=1&fid=2&pid=316&cid=12
Works perfectly with my configuration (for now only tried with "Porsche Carrera Cup Mod") = perfect feeling for all elements (road, brake, car weight, adherence).
http://ts.thrustmaster.com/eng/index.php?pg=view_files&gid=1&fid=2&pid=316&cid=12
Works perfectly with my configuration (for now only tried with "Porsche Carrera Cup Mod") = perfect feeling for all elements (road, brake, car weight, adherence).
Got my wheel last Friday. Love it. I'm coming from a G25 -- which is a damn fine wheel -- but this is a new species entirely: more powerful, more precise, far more realistic, and far more demanding.
I have an Obutto Ozone with a Buttkicker Gamer 2, and despite the heavy shake of the Gamer 2's effects, even with just the clamp the wheel is rock-solid stable so far. In both F1 and Rally configurations, the pedal set-up slips a little if not hard-mounted or clamped (I have the Ozone's pedal plate at its lowest incline), but I suspect that has to do with the realistic brake mod, which I installed without incident (no complaints about the hardware or fasteners). Without the brake mod, the pedals are still several steps up from the G25, both in terms of heft and overall feel. With the brake mod, I've been able to improve my lap times considerably, and I've gotten much better at drifting in a few short days. As a mounting solution for the pedals, I plan on using industrial grade hook and loop fasteners to stop the minimal slide.
I currently have the pedals in Rally mode, which I like a bit better than F1 mode (though perhaps this is only because of how novel is the set-up to me; plus, it allows me to recline my seat back more). My foot plate lined up perfectly when I made the switch from F1 to Rally, and I was able to remove and re-apply the screws without stripping any of them. Having said that, I will agree that if you have the wherewithal to upgrade the machine screws that attach the diamond foot plate to the base plate or frame (in Rally mode), you should do so, because the risk of rounding is certainly there, particularly if you aren't using the best grade hex key. These are tiny screws, and it's relatively easy to overturn them. Also, re-fastening them with the wingnuts is something of a pain on two of the connections, unless you have small fingers or are particularly adept at such things.
The wheel, as I noted earlier, is quite precise, with no dead zone. The FFB is powerful and accurate and, from a tactile perspective, quite convincing -- particularly so when further coupled with the Buttkicker. I have it set now at 5, having moved back from 7.
The rubberized grip on the wheel is actually something I prefer to leather: it isn't particularly tacky, in my opinion, nor does it seem it will readily wear or smooth out. What it does do is help you control the strength of the FFB by providing a little extra bit of hand-to-steering traction. But I suppose this is just a matter of preference.
It's an expensive purchase, but if you are really interested in getting a sim feel from GT5 (and some of the PC sims) and can afford it, this wheel is a very noticeable leap forward, in my opinion. But take note: much of the difference between the technology and build of the Thrustmaster and that of the Logitech is, under game conditions, quite subtle at first. After several hours of acclimating yourself to the wheel, though, it is difficult to go back without noticing the differences. The G25 just feels more like a toy -- though of course both these wheels are just that.
Having never used the Club Sport pedals or had a Fanatec wheel, I can't make any comparisons on that front.
Hope this helps.
I have an Obutto Ozone with a Buttkicker Gamer 2, and despite the heavy shake of the Gamer 2's effects, even with just the clamp the wheel is rock-solid stable so far. In both F1 and Rally configurations, the pedal set-up slips a little if not hard-mounted or clamped (I have the Ozone's pedal plate at its lowest incline), but I suspect that has to do with the realistic brake mod, which I installed without incident (no complaints about the hardware or fasteners). Without the brake mod, the pedals are still several steps up from the G25, both in terms of heft and overall feel. With the brake mod, I've been able to improve my lap times considerably, and I've gotten much better at drifting in a few short days. As a mounting solution for the pedals, I plan on using industrial grade hook and loop fasteners to stop the minimal slide.
I currently have the pedals in Rally mode, which I like a bit better than F1 mode (though perhaps this is only because of how novel is the set-up to me; plus, it allows me to recline my seat back more). My foot plate lined up perfectly when I made the switch from F1 to Rally, and I was able to remove and re-apply the screws without stripping any of them. Having said that, I will agree that if you have the wherewithal to upgrade the machine screws that attach the diamond foot plate to the base plate or frame (in Rally mode), you should do so, because the risk of rounding is certainly there, particularly if you aren't using the best grade hex key. These are tiny screws, and it's relatively easy to overturn them. Also, re-fastening them with the wingnuts is something of a pain on two of the connections, unless you have small fingers or are particularly adept at such things.
The wheel, as I noted earlier, is quite precise, with no dead zone. The FFB is powerful and accurate and, from a tactile perspective, quite convincing -- particularly so when further coupled with the Buttkicker. I have it set now at 5, having moved back from 7.
The rubberized grip on the wheel is actually something I prefer to leather: it isn't particularly tacky, in my opinion, nor does it seem it will readily wear or smooth out. What it does do is help you control the strength of the FFB by providing a little extra bit of hand-to-steering traction. But I suppose this is just a matter of preference.
It's an expensive purchase, but if you are really interested in getting a sim feel from GT5 (and some of the PC sims) and can afford it, this wheel is a very noticeable leap forward, in my opinion. But take note: much of the difference between the technology and build of the Thrustmaster and that of the Logitech is, under game conditions, quite subtle at first. After several hours of acclimating yourself to the wheel, though, it is difficult to go back without noticing the differences. The G25 just feels more like a toy -- though of course both these wheels are just that.
Having never used the Club Sport pedals or had a Fanatec wheel, I can't make any comparisons on that front.
Hope this helps.
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At this point I don't plan on hard mounting. The clamp really is that good.
I didn't even look to see where the mounting screws would go with respect to the Obutto wheel mount plate, so I can't say if the bar would interfere and force some fancy drilling. But as I say, so far -- even with the Buttkicker going -- I've seen no movement (though I have rattled loose some of the bolts on the Obutto base).
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Wheel Stand Pro. For those of you that asked about the Wheel Stand Pro and the T500. New holes have to be drilled to mount the wheel. I did on mine and for the most part I'd say it works well with minimal wobble. Now the pedal set is a different story. The pedals will fit on the base, however the brake is just about a straight line with the wheel mount tube. I ran this way for about six hours on Sunday and my left hip is still hurting from the unnatural way you need to use the brake with the Wheel Stand Pro. My take, get another stand. It's a shame that they don't develop a Wheel Stand Pro similar to the Apiga stand.
Perception of wheel #3. Last night I tested with the new PC drivers, all appears to work as designed. I'm not convinced that the FFB capability of the wheel works completely, but it's better than wheel #2 by far. Many of you state a rip your arms off experience, I've only seen that in very few instances so far.
It's just more exact -- the needed steering movement isn't so pronounced, so you don't find yourself guessing as much about how to compensate for the wheel's give -- and I can finally get a feel for the brakes enough not to lock everything up.
Also, I think the heaviness of the wheel, both physically and as communicated through the FFB, has allowed me to stay with the drift more accurately and effectively.
Can't do a video, sorry. At least, not until I get some new socks.
Got the hardware dimensions, yes. Thanks. Haven't been able to find the right hardware yet, though. Been to Home Depot and Lowe's. Will try Sears next.
I think the only screws that concern me are the ones that hold the foot plate. And even most of them held up fine to a couple of loosenings and tightenings. Still, I'd like to upgrade, if only for peace of mind.
I think the only screws that concern me are the ones that hold the foot plate. And even most of them held up fine to a couple of loosenings and tightenings. Still, I'd like to upgrade, if only for peace of mind.
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