The Veyron.
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Everyone just looked at me at work for laughing out loud. 
Here's some answers to your questions.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=9402&page_number=1
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=9402&page_number=1
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Two laps around a short track in the Veyron.
http://members.home.nl/thafreak2/Bugatti Veyron 16.4 track test.mpeg
http://members.home.nl/thafreak2/Bugatti Veyron 16.4 track test.mpeg
- 23,999
- It/It
- GTP_TheCracker
Has anyone seen the latest pictures of Veyron testing at the Ring? I can't remember where i saw them, but there are plenty of pictures of it spinning - seems as if they are still having handling problems. Also, they can't manage anymore than two laps at a time before it overheats and shuts itself off!
- 30,018
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
And the source for this info is........? Five models's have each done 45k miles testing, I don' think they'd just notice it overheats now. They noticed it did ages ago and changed the design accordingly. I know the Veyron is at the Ring but theres no info I can find about it overheating after two laps and shutting itself off and I don't see why Bugatti would release that info if it did or how a random journalist would get hold of it. Also I'm having trouble locating anythig to suggest handling problems, I don't expect it to handle like an Enzo, but theres nothing to say it can't handle, the fact they think it's ready for Ring testing means it can probably do better than most cars.
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I think it was last weeks autocar or auto express, i read it in sainsburys but didn't buy it.
- 426
- GTP_Kutscher80
Hi!
hm, I don´t like this PS (HP) - Monster.
They had to give up their 18 cylindre idea while 2 cylindre always overheated...
After that they found no transmission that can handle the torque...
And it will weigh over 2 tonnes.
IT IS CRAP not a Sport or a Supersportcar.
A Toy for the rich...
...and on a normal street (called Landstrasse in Germany) it will get his ass kicked from a 30 - 40 K Euro EVO or STI or or or
...and on the ring it won´t be faster than a Carrera GT (except on the Doettinger Hoehe)
hm, I don´t like this PS (HP) - Monster.
They had to give up their 18 cylindre idea while 2 cylindre always overheated...
After that they found no transmission that can handle the torque...
And it will weigh over 2 tonnes.
IT IS CRAP not a Sport or a Supersportcar.
A Toy for the rich...
...and on a normal street (called Landstrasse in Germany) it will get his ass kicked from a 30 - 40 K Euro EVO or STI or or or
...and on the ring it won´t be faster than a Carrera GT (except on the Doettinger Hoehe)
- 30,018
- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
You're right, it's not a sportscar or a supercar, it's a super grand tourer, just like the Aston Martin DB9 isn't a sportscar or a supercar, thats a grand tourer. But get you're facts a bit right, it doesn't weigh over 2 tonnes and they had trouble finding a gearbox to handle the torque but they found one ages ago, the biggest problem was developing road legal tyres that could cope with 250mph. Me I like the idea of this car and I like the styling but it's been held up too many times and I've simply lost most of my interest in it.
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Kutscher80
Can't you read?
Most will be content to experience what should be record acceleration figures. Bugatti anticipates 0 to 100 km/h (62.1 mph) in 2.8 seconds and 0 to 300 km/h (186.4 mph) in 17.0 seconds. No wonder Schreiber says, "The acceleration is more impressive than that of a jet plane as it is taking off."
Vehicle type: mid-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door coupe
Estimated base price: $1,300,000
Engine type: quad-turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 64-valve W-16, aluminum block and heads, direct fuel injection
Displacement: 488 cu in, 7993cc
Power (SAE net): 987 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 922 lb-ft @ 2200 rpm
Transmission: 7-speed manual with automated shifting and clutch
Wheelbase: 106.3 in
Length/width/height: 175.8/78.7/47.5 in
Curb weight: 4300 lb
Performance ratings (mfr's est):
Zero to 62 mph: 2.8 sec
Top speed (drag limited): 252 mph
Beat this with your sushi box.
Don't flame me if I'm using sushi, because it's what a STI and a EVO is compared to the Veyron.
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- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
It's not a supercar, as I said it's a super gt but it will probably handle well. The BMW M5 handles well, the Merc SLR handles well, theres not much between this and the SLR weight wise and I'd put money on this being the better handling of the two. I don't see setting a ring record or anything though, but I do think it will be able to handle well, weight isn't the biggest issue with handling.
- 426
- GTP_Kutscher80
Div is back
I won´t flame you.
I am driving only a "sushibox" too.
But Power will get you nowhere on a "Landstrasse" in Germany. There are too narrow for that. Many Corners. Many slow Corners. And a lot of ground waves, some road holes and so on.
So this SUPERFAST and OVERPOWERED Bugatti may "kiss" the next tree...
while his brakes can´t stand the more speed (than an EVO / STI) the engine generates on the short straights. Because the Physics can not be broken by ANY Car.
On a Autobahn or in NARDO it will punish nearly everything.
Have Fun
Kutscher
And to live4speed 4300pd are about 2150 kg that is 2.15 tons. So I am right, or the above mentioned numbers are WRONG.
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2.15 tonnes! - thats heavier than a Range Rover
A Caterham CSR 260 @ £36k has a power-to-weight of 456bhp per ton
The Veyron @ £728k has a power-to-weight of 459bhp per ton
- that extra 3bhp per tonne costs you a fair chunk doesn't it.
A Caterham CSR 260 @ £36k has a power-to-weight of 456bhp per ton
The Veyron @ £728k has a power-to-weight of 459bhp per ton
- that extra 3bhp per tonne costs you a fair chunk doesn't it.
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amp88
You can, if you so want, spend another $70,000 on a matching watch - Caterham don't offer that option
- 2,837
- GTP_Div
Kustcher, you flunked your math class?
As far as I'm concerned, here in Canada, a kg = 2.2 pounds/lbs
so 4300/2.2 = 1954 kg, which is shy of 2 tons.
As far as I'm concerned, here in Canada, a kg = 2.2 pounds/lbs
so 4300/2.2 = 1954 kg, which is shy of 2 tons.
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- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
Div's figuers are correct, consider the SLR weighs in at just under 1800kgs the difference is only a couple of passengers. Although the final weight of the Veyron has not been made know specifically yet it won't be any hkigher than that and most sources say around 1800Kg's.
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- JDA1982
TBH, I don't think many owners will be spending much time doing 100Mph+ on public roads, also Landstrasse is only a very, very small part of the world so what if does or doesn't drive round there as fast as other cars, it's a grand tourer, not a supercar anyway, it's like a faster, more luxury SLR but mid engined.Kutscher80
- 426
- GTP_Kutscher80
Div is back
That´s why i wrote :
"And to live4speed 4300pd are about 2150 kg that is 2.15 tons."
I only divided by 2. Because I didn´t remember the correct ratio. (the 2.2 you mentioned)
AND I am currently in holidays, so I can´t have flunked my math class
And 1954KG are about 2 tons. And that is VERY HEAVY.
TO live4speed: We will see how good this supertourer will be, when it will be released and tested by my favourite car magazine "SportAuto". I hope they get one for their Supertest. Then we will know how fast the Bugatti is on the Ring
What I really don´t like is when some say: "That is the ULTIMATE CAR... nothing can beat it. Not even Racecars" In my opinion it doesn´t give anything that is ULTIMATE, the Best ... everything has its pros and cons.
Have Fun
Kutscher
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- Cuddington, Cheshire
- JDA1982
1954kg's is about 2 tones, but it's not about 2150kg's, thats nearly 200kg's difference. Also what does being on holiday have anything to do with how you did in maths? Or did you mean you're on summer hols and so you haven't taken the test yet? I'm not going to say it WILL handle great or it won't, I think it will handle well but I'm not going to say thats 100% it will and anyone that says otherwise is wrong, but I will state the weight isn't the deciding factor, theres a shed load more involved in making a car handle well or not. It's not a race car for the road so while it will be very fast round a track I don't expect it to be MC12 and Enzo fast.
Also the final weight last time I checked is more widely believed to be around 1800-1850kg's. Finally, I would class this as the ultimate Grand tourer so far but it's not the ultimate car because that would depend on what you're after and so on.
Also the final weight last time I checked is more widely believed to be around 1800-1850kg's. Finally, I would class this as the ultimate Grand tourer so far but it's not the ultimate car because that would depend on what you're after and so on.
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live4speed
Okay. We in Germany ONLY use kg not pounds. So I don´t KNOW the ratio wiht IEEE DOUBLE PRECISION and have NOT looked up the right ratio. THAT IS 2.2 as Div mentioned not the 2 I used. Are you now happy?
Sorry, but I am an IT Student and when I look to my grades I can´t be the stupidiest human around.
AND you like the Bugatti. I don´t like it. PERIOD.
I don´t want to make you dislike that car. And you can´t make me like it.
I have told you my opinion to this car. That´s it.
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