The Veyron.

[Scaff]

And the source for this info is........? Five models's have each done 45k miles testing, I don' think they'd just notice it overheats now. They noticed it did ages ago and changed the design accordingly. I know the Veyron is at the Ring but theres no info I can find about it overheating after two laps and shutting itself off and I don't see why Bugatti would release that info if it did or how a random journalist would get hold of it. Also I'm having trouble locating anythig to suggest handling problems, I don't expect it to handle like an Enzo, but theres nothing to say it can't handle, the fact they think it's ready for Ring testing means it can probably do better than most cars.

It was in last weeks Autocar and was witnessed by a number of people at the track, after approx two laps the ECU was putting the car in safe mode to prevent damage, additionally a number of pictures of the car were shown with it clearly facing the wrong way and half on the track and half on the run off.

You are right thta Bugatti would not want this information to be made public, but as the 'ring is a public road, access to the area around the track is not exacty difficult, even on suppossed closed days.

It's not a supercar, as I said it's a super gt but it will probably handle well. The BMW M5 handles well, the Merc SLR handles well, theres not much between this and the SLR weight wise and I'd put money on this being the better handling of the two. I don't see setting a ring record or anything though, but I do think it will be able to handle well, weight isn't the biggest issue with handling.

I hate to disagree with you on this one, but while the M5 and SLR may be excellent handling cars, weight is one of the biggest single issues with regard to handling. The more weight a car has the move inertia it has as the COG moves around during transient cornering.

Have a read of the following, its a bit heavy but it does cover it very well.

Physics of Racing - Transients

You are quite right that weight alone is not the only factor involved, but a low weight is an almost essential staring point for a sharp handling car; hence Colin Chapman famous "add lightness" quote when asked what his cars needed most.

All the suspension tricks and set-up in the world are just fighting the laws of physics of the car is a porker to start with, start with a light car and the suspension can then compliment it rather than offsetting its flaws.

Me I like the idea of this car and I like the styling but it's been held up too many times and I've simply lost most of my interest in it.

Now that I quite agree with, people (and the motoring press are major culprits here) have built the car up to stupid levels, Bugatti themselves did not help in the early days with grand claims and promises. I personally think they should have developed it and released it upon an unknowing world.

Not easy, but it would have made a difference.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave A]

Okay. We in Germany ONLY use kg not pounds. So I don´t KNOW the ratio wiht IEEE DOUBLE PRECISION and have NOT looked up the right ratio. THAT IS 2.2 as Div mentioned not the 2 I used. Are you now happy?

Sorry, but I am an IT Student and when I look to my grades I can´t be the stupidiest human around.

AND you like the Bugatti. I don´t like it. PERIOD.

I don´t want to make you dislike that car. And you can´t make me like it.

I have told you my opinion to this car. That´s it.

I'm not tryiong to make you like the car, I'm explaining the difference between 2150kg's and 1945kg's and that the car will probably be closer to 1850kg's. Also that doesn't explain how being on holiday has anything to do with being good at maths. Neither does being an IT student, theres different levels of study. I'm not saying you are crap at math, but I just found it funny that you said you were in hols so you coulsn't have flunked math. I'm just diggin with you anyway, but I never said you should like it or tried to make you like it, I just tried to correct some misconceptions thats all.

 

[Sprite]

Personaly i like this look of this car, something different, if i had the spare cash to just buy one for fun then i probably would not i would rarther have an Ultima GTR 640. This car (Veyron) is going to end up in collections and not that many used on the roads, bit like the speed 12.

price $750 000 USD
engine Quad Turbo W16
valvetrain DOHC 4 Valves / Cyl w/VVT
displacement 7993 cc / 487.8 cu in
bore 86 mm / 3.39 in
stroke 86 mm / 3.39 in
compression 9.0:1
power 746.5 kw / 1001.1 bhp @ 6000 rpm
hp per litre 125.25 bhp per litre
bhp/weight
torque 1250 nm / 922.0 ft lbs @ 2200-5500 rpm
drive wheels Mid Engine / 4WD
front wheels F 52 x 23.5 cm / 20.5 x 9.3 in
rear wheels R 54 x 32.5 cm / 21.3 x 12.8 in
front tire size PAX 245/690R520
rear tire size PAX335/710R540
wheelbase 2700 mm / 106.3 in
front track 1723 mm / 67.8 in
rear track 1632 mm / 64.3 in
length 4466 mm / 175.8 in
width 1998 mm / 78.7 in
height 1206 mm / 47.5 in
transmission 7-Speed
top speed 406 kph / 252.3 mph
0 - 60 mph est 3.0 seconds

 

[Driftster]

Except that unlike the Speed 12...

More than a dozen will be made, more than a dozen will be sold...And more than a Dozen will be scrapped..

 

[Kutscher80]

I'm not tryiong to make you like the car, I'm explaining the difference between 2150kg's and 1945kg's and that the car will probably be closer to 1850kg's. Also that doesn't explain how being on holiday has anything to do with being good at maths. Neither does being an IT student, theres different levels of study. I'm not saying you are crap at math, but I just found it funny that you said you were in hols so you coulsn't have flunked math. I'm just diggin with you anyway, but I never said you should like it or tried to make you like it, I just tried to correct some misconceptions thats all.

1. I don´t have looked up "flunked" in my german - english dictionary. I thought it mean something like "you were not in your math class". So -> Holidays are a good answer why I was not in my math class. So Everything clear now ?!?

2. For studying IT you have to be good at math. At least in my University. I am doing Vector math all the time... That is the bad side of programming in 3d.

3. I Understood that You believe the Bugatti will only weigh about 1850 Kg´s.

And Now Back to Topic

 

[Woolie Wool]

The Mclaren SLR has air conditioning... That is too much in a super car.

No one with $1.3 million is going to buy a road-going supercar with no air conditioning. NO ONE.

 

[Woolie Wool]

But Power will get you nowhere on a "Landstrasse" in Germany. There are too narrow for that. Many Corners. Many slow Corners. And a lot of ground waves, some road holes and so on.

So this SUPERFAST and OVERPOWERED Bugatti may "kiss" the next tree...
while his brakes can´t stand the more speed (than an EVO / STI) the engine generates on the short straights. Because the Physics can not be broken by ANY Car.

Bah. The Veyron is purpose-built to be a 1001-hp car, and can muster more traction than a modified family car like the Evo could hope to deliver. In the hands of a sufficiently skilled driver, the Veyron will beat the Evo or STi on ANY road, period.

 

[amp88]

No one with $1.3 million is going to buy a road-going supercar with no air conditioning. NO ONE.

I don't think a Ferrari 250GTO has air-con and people pay a lot more than a measly $1.3m for those

 

[Danny]

Did the McLaren F1 have AirCon?

 

[punkrkr27]

Bah. The Veyron is purpose-built to be a 1001-hp car, and can muster more traction than a modified family car like the Evo could hope to deliver. In the hands of a sufficiently skilled driver, the Veyron will beat the Evo or STi on ANY road, period.

WTF?! How is this even in question. The Veyron is a multi-million dollar supercar in a completley different class than an EVO or Sti. There isn't even a comparison. That's like trying to compare a Civic to a Skyline GT-R.

 

[Young_Warrior]

WTF?! How is this even in question. The Veyron is a multi-million dollar supercar in a completley different class than an EVO or Sti. There isn't even a comparison. That's like trying to compare a Civic to a Skyline GT-R.

I have a video where a skyline canbt keep up with a civic.

 

[punkrkr27]

I have a video where a skyline canbt keep up with a civic.

Yes, there are always some ridiculously modified exceptions to the rule. I'm sure there are EVO's and STi's capable of low 3 sec. 0-60 too. But you get my point. There is a huge difference between a $35,000 car and a $1.3 million, purpose built supercar.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Yes, there are always some ridiculously modified exceptions to the rule. I'm sure there are EVO's and STi's capable of low 3 sec. 0-60 too. But you get my point. There is a huge difference between a $35,000 car and a $1.3 million, purpose built supercar.

Evos are gully. You can pick up a 2004 fq330 for 18 grand in the UK. Oh wait thats still more than it costs in the US new 👎

 

[Driftster]

low 3 sec...
Try low 2 sec 0-60.........


And i'm sorry..
but I bet a Evo would beat a Veyron on a dirt road.....

BOOOOOYAAA
In yo face..

But yeah, point is..It's not really a supercar..I don't think there are ANY supercars in production anymore (asside from the S7)....

Everything out now adays I consider a hypercar, untill there's one that just breaks the mold by that much.

PS...f50-enzo-mc12 had A/C

 

[Young_Warrior]

low 3 sec...
Try low 2 sec 0-60.........


And i'm sorry..
but I bet a Evo would beat a Veyron on a dirt road.....

BOOOOOYAAA
In yo face..

But yeah, point is..It's not really a supercar..I don't think there are ANY supercars in production anymore (asside from the S7)....

Everything out now adays I consider a hypercar, untill there's one that just breaks the mold by that much.

PS...f50-enzo-mc12 had A/C

OMG OMG its got AC its not a supercar no more its a lesser car than if it didnt have a/c. Do you guys know how pathetic you sound when you mention that. Its worst than saying the Z06 is a supercar.

The veyron is a supercar and it might even turn out to be the ultimate if they pull out some magic from the hat.

 

[amp88]

Did the McLaren F1 have AirCon?

Yeah, otherwise I'd have used it as my example air-con-less supercar

 

[Danny]

Thanks.

While I'm here, do you know if the Ace Aceca was ever in production?

I don't want to make a new thread on it.

 

[Driftster]

of ALLLL THE posts on this thread, he quotes Mine and says it's Stupid?!?!?

What in the hell?

I was simply pointing out that AC doesn't mean it's not a supercar....
I Just don't think the Veyron is a supercar...
Because i doubt it's going to be a hell of a track performer.

It's going to be an overpowered MONSTER of a car yeah...
But ANYONE can make a car with rediculous #'s..
It doesn't mean it's a supercar...

If I built a "kit car"....got some weird ass exterior shell..and threw leather interior in it, and it was powered by a 8.8L big block making 900HP, then sell it to my neighbor...
Did he just buy a supercar?

Hardly..

 

[Danny]

But it has all the supercar traits.

Performance
Style
Price
Exclusivity

etc

 

[Driftster]

But it's also lacking quite a few traits....

history...
SMART development
And it's "performance" has yet to be decided if it's on a supercar level.

I mean yea it's got 1000 some odd HP.....but that doesn't mean it's going to give supercar performance.

I'll give it the benefit of the doubt...
but untill it does something amazing..other than sit in an owners garage it's not going to be a supercar.
And we really don't know how "exclusive" it's going to be..

I mean bugatti's going to need all the $$$ they can get...
I'm sure they'll keep making them for as long as they can sell them..

 

[Jedi2016]

But it has all the supercar traits.

Performance
Style
Price
Exclusivity

etc

Depends on how you define "performance". Yeah, the Veyron will be faster in a straight line than practically anything, but how well does it handle the corners? How would it compare to an Enzo or MC12 on a track?

 

[Woolie Wool]

I don't think a Ferrari 250GTO has air-con and people pay a lot more than a measly $1.3m for those

That's a collector car, the kind whose DuPont Registry ads scream "THIS CAR HAS NEVER BEEN DRIVEN." (I saw several such Ferrari ads with that announcement, caps, boldface, and all)

 

[Woolie Wool]

WTF?! How is this even in question. The Veyron is a multi-million dollar supercar in a completley different class than an EVO or Sti. There isn't even a comparison. That's like trying to compare a Civic to a Skyline GT-R.

Someone had made that comparison, and I was pointing out that it was nonsense.

 

[Woolie Wool]

And i'm sorry..
but I bet a Evo would beat a Veyron on a dirt road.....

BOOOOOYAAA
In yo face..

Even that is unlikely. The traction control will keep the Veyron at least a little bit composed on a dirt road. (those folks who spun the Veyron at the Nurburgring turned all the electronannies off).

 

[Young_Warrior]

But it's also lacking quite a few traits....

history...
SMART development
And it's "performance" has yet to be decided if it's on a supercar level.

Eh are you mentally unstable. Bugatti has a excellent history and the development is obviously of the highest possible. Mark my words the veyron is a supercar. Not ifs no buts.

 

[Driftster]

Eh are you mentally unstable. Bugatti has a excellent history and the development is obviously of the highest possible. Mark my words the veyron is a supercar. Not ifs no buts.

Smart development would have made it so the car didn't overheat and not make the power it was speculated to make.

And the CAR has no possitive history...

The EB110 was great history from the day it's design concept was shown to investors.....

This car has been mistake after delay after false hope after waterjacket problem after mistake...

No one said bugatti itself was bad in the history department...
The CAR is..

 

[Young_Warrior]

Smart development would have made it so the car didn't overheat and not make the power it was speculated to make.

And the CAR has no possitive history...

The EB110 was great history from the day it's design concept was shown to investors.....

This car has been mistake after delay after false hope after waterjacket problem after mistake...

No one said bugatti itself was bad in the history department...
The CAR is..

Smart development takes trial and improvment. Theyre doing something that has never been done before and so they are pushing the boundries of what a car is capable of.

 

[Driftster]

There's a difference between trial and error..
And....The Veyron W16...

That's more like..Process of elimination...

Let's throw together a 1000HP car...

When are we gonna sell it?
2001!!!!

Wait.problems..
crap...alright..

Now..Let's throw together a 1001HP car!!!!!

When we gonna sell it?
2002!!!!

Wait..problems...
crap...alright..

etc etc etc untill we get to..

Let's throw together a 980+HP car..

When we gonna sell it?
2006!!!

HOORAY!!!!

 

[Young_Warrior]

There's a difference between trial and error..
And....The Veyron W16...

That's more like..Process of elimination...

Let's throw together a 1000HP car...

When are we gonna sell it?
2001!!!!

Wait.problems..
crap...alright..

Now..Let's throw together a 1001HP car!!!!!

When we gonna sell it?
2002!!!!

Wait..problems...
crap...alright..

etc etc etc untill we get to..

Let's throw together a 980+HP car..

When we gonna sell it?
2006!!!

HOORAY!!!!

If everyone was like you we would still have big wooden sticks and go out and have to club our dinner.

 

[Driftster]

Well that's a pretty harsh fate for when humanity learns how to simplify explanations.
i appologize for not wanting to dig through the crates to find production flaws and stop dates on every time the Veyron was schedualed to "begin production" but never was.....

But I suppose that's all part of bugatti's FLAWLESS Veyron development scheme....

Hah....EB110 or bust.