The Veyron.

[amp88]

The SLR is actually a big car, i can't find dimentions for either car, but i bet they are similar - the Veyron just looks lardier.

I can't find the dimensons for the production Veyron, but here's the spec for the pre-production one (should be very similar, if not the same):

http://www.supercars.net/cars/249.html

length 4466 mm / 175.8 in
width 1998 mm / 78.7 in
height 1206 mm / 47.5 in

And the SLR:

http://www.supercars.net/cars/2398.html

length 4656 mm / 183.3 in
width 1908 mm / 75.1 in
height 1261 mm / 49.6 in

So the SLR s actually longer and taller than the Veyron, though the Veyron is a few inches wider

 

[TheCracker]

I thought as much, when i last saw a SLR (one that's subsequently been written-off!) i remember thinking it was massive. I'd read that the Veyron was quite compact for what it is. Enzo's are huge as well, i bet they're bigger too.

Edit:

Enzo:

Length: 4702mm
Width: 2035
Height: 1147

Compare this to the bench mark supercar, the Countach:

L: 4140mm
W: 1890
H: 1070

Supercars just get bigger and bigger

 

[wee_man]

Anyone off chance knows what the fuel figures are for this car ? Academic as if you can buy one, you probably own either you're own middle-east country or an oil company.

 

[Dave A]

Not a clue on the mpg, probably under 10mpg on average.

 

[Young_Warrior]

The SLR is actually a big car, i can't find dimentions for either car, but i bet they are similar - the Veyron just looks lardier.

Ive seen a slr in the flesh and the car is alot smaller than it looks in pictures and gran turismo. Infact it was kinda small which was to my surprise so the veyron must look even smaller.

 

[Dave A]

I've seen a few SLR's, I've stood next to one, and sat in one. They are big cars. Look at the lenth and width of the thing (4656 mm and 1908 mm), it's not huge like a Bentley Arnage, but it's still a big car. Similar in size to a new M5.

 

[TheCracker]

Ive seen a slr in the flesh and the car is alot smaller than it looks in pictures and gran turismo. Infact it was kinda small which was to my surprise so the veyron must look even smaller.

An SLR small!!! - its only 35cm shorter than a Chrysler Grand Voyager!!!

- that's effin huge for a two seater!

 

[G.T]

I've stood next to an SLR. It isn't a car you would call small...

This is the pic I took of it:



Plus I know what you mean about the pics telling you that the Veyron looks like a huge car, it really decieves you.

 

[Young_Warrior]

By small as in its alot smaller than I thought it would be. Myabe it looked small because it was surronded by F1 cars and it was in the middle of a big open space inbetween grandstands.

 

[d12dotcom]

The Bugatti may have more power, higher top speed, more luxury etc. But IMO, the McLaren F1 is still THE car. Look at how far Bugatti have had to go to beat it, 4 turbos and 16 cylinders. Almost 400 more horsepower for only 8mph more top end? As others have said, I would choose the Zonda over the Veyron. I would choose the Enzo over it too, and probably the Saleen S7. It has that "We just want POWER and nothing else" vibe. 'Balance is infinitely more rewarding than power' 👍

 

[ExigeEvan]

The Bugatti may have more power, higher top speed, more luxury etc. But IMO, the McLaren F1 is still THE car. Look at how far Bugatti have had to go to beat it, 4 turbos and 16 cylinders. Almost 400 more horsepower for only 8mph more top end? As others have said, I would choose the Zonda over the Veyron. I would choose the Enzo over it too, and probably the Saleen S7. It has that "We just want POWER and nothing else" vibe. 'Balance is infinitely more rewarding than power' 👍

Yeah but it gets you there in luxury.

And I also mentioned the 'so much extra' thing earlier, it does seem abit odd.

If teh Veyron doesn't keep this title for more than a year there's gonna be some nut crunching in the Buggati factory.

 

[d12dotcom]

If I wanted to get somewhere in luxury then I would choose a Rolls Royce or a Bentley. They tried to mix a lot of things into 1 car, with amazing performance, so far all they have succeeded in doing is making a car with ridiculous power and overdoing everything. Supercars should be mid-engine, rear wheel drive beasts, not 4 wheel drive. Supercars should be scary, and keep you on your toes, in my opinion anyway. Of course, I am 18, and have only ever driven 3 cars (dont even have a licence yet), but I think thats how it should be. The McLaren F1 is a drivers car, the Veyron is a poncey "Ive got more money than sense" car

 

[ExigeEvan]

If I wanted to get somewhere in luxury then I would choose a Rolls Royce or a Bentley. They tried to mix a lot of things into 1 car, with amazing performance, so far all they have succeeded in doing is making a car with ridiculous power and overdoing everything. Supercars should be mid-engine, rear wheel drive beasts, not 4 wheel drive. Supercars should be scary, and keep you on your toes, in my opinion anyway. Of course, I am 18, and have only ever driven 3 cars (dont even have a licence yet), but I think thats how it should be. The McLaren F1 is a drivers car, the Veyron is a poncey "Ive got more money than sense" car

Isn't that what nearly all supercars are?

You could buy a high power caterham and have similair acceleration and just as good handling, but you wouldn't look as cool or feel as comfy.

And the Veyron probably does scare you, the thing has been dogged with problems all along, I doubt that instills any drivers with confidence.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Yeah but english people are biased. Its ike when england won the world cup in 1966 they wont stop going on about it.If anything you guys should compare it to the koenigscegger and not the mclaren which was meant to be flawed anyway. Bugatti never said it was a supercar anyway. We just presume thats what they were aiming for so maybe it really is a supercar. One could percieve it as a luxury car like a bently maybach or rolls but with sportier styling and it being super quick.

 

[ExigeEvan]

No, because most luxury cars are to be driven in, not to actually drive.

The Bentley Cont' GT is a luxury coupe yes, but few would call it a supercar.

I would never say you make a supercar, you make a car judged by many to be worthy of the supercar name.

 

[d12dotcom]

The kind of scary the Veyron would instill is the sort of scary Jeremy Clarkson describes when talking about 911s. The kind of scary supercars should be is not "my tires might explode on this next corner". I think they just tried to mix things, and that hardly ever works. Want a supercar? Buy a McLaren, Enzo etc. Want a luxury car? Buy a Bentley, Roller, Maybach etc. Want stupidly high power? Buy a 1000hp Skyline or something. It seems to me as if Bugatti are trying to punch above their weight.

Saying "the English are biased" is a bit stereotypical isnt it? I think the actual public stopped "going on" about the 1966 World Cup a while ago, its just used in TV programmes, because it is the only time we have won it (which is a terrible record for a footballing country like England). If it isnt compared to the McLaren, then it isnt being compared to the best, which a car with the figures of the Veyron should be compared to, the best. But, in my opinion, it falls short. As have all other "supercars" in the past 12 years

 

[ExigeEvan]

The kind of scary the Veyron would instill is the sort of scary Jeremy Clarkson describes when talking about 911s.

You'll get that when you start hitting 240mph.

And no doubt with the amount of power the Veyron has it'l be very difficult not to spin it exiting corners unless you have a very light foot or a heck of alot of TCS.

 

[Young_Warrior]

differential springs to mind instead of a heck of a lot of tcs.

 

[amp88]

Its ike when england won the world cup in 1966 they wont stop going on about it..

This is the only part of your post I agree with.

 

[McLaren]

Ive seen a slr in the flesh and the car is alot smaller than it looks in pictures and gran turismo. Infact it was kinda small which was to my surprise so the veyron must look even smaller.

Actually, the interior isn't as big as I thought, and personally, I thought the seats were the only thing small about it considering the console and mid section are pretty big actually.

But the car itself is big.

 

[eliseracer]

it falls short. As have all other "supercars" in the past 12 years

Uuuuuuhm, there have been plenty of cars of the past 12 years that rival the Mclaren. Simply owning a Mclaren costs far too much, nevermind the actual sticker price. A member of another forum I visit owned a Mclaren for a few months, but had to give it up because it simply wasn't worth paying (and I'm not talking price tag).

 

[Dave A]

The McLaren F1 was a failure from a business perspective anyway, it under-sold and didn't make much money back for McLaren as a single product, it was a huge success in other areas, as far as flaws went, the biggest was the price, it was meant to be twitchy on corners but for a car to be held in such high esteem for so long it must be something to drive. Evo did an article on it last year, comparing it to the Carrera GT, they said the CGT couldn'thold a candle to it, despite being one of the closest cars to the F1 in terms of the brute force you feel and overall performance. To me, comparing the F1 to the Veyron is like comparing a Caterham R500 to a 911, you'll get superb an similar performance from both, but they certainly arn't the same class of car, different types of people will prefer the R500 over the 911 and vice versa.

 

[niky]

Yup. The McLaren F1 was just McLaren's take on the supercar. It's one of those "no-bull****" projects wherein the engineers got their way... all the way. No crappy compromises like the McMerc SLR (seriously flawed... too stiffly sprung and touchy on the brakes to be a cruiser... and too heavy for a McLaren product). And the result was wonderful. But it ISN'T better than everything else in all ways. It doesn't have the high speed stability of some of its rivals, and as said by a lot of others, it is way too expensive for a supercar (especially considering that a lot of owners beat the **** out of it...)

The Porsche Carrera GT also has its compromises, but at least it's built to be driven.

I can picture the typical Veyron owner, though. All that endurance testing done by VW on the Veyron was meant to ensure that the owner could:

a.) Start Veyron at 10pm, drive straight out of the garage without allowing the oil to warm up.

b.) Thrash the hell out of it for the 5 seconds it takes to get off the estate.

c.) Cruise at 20mph down to the nearest cafe (look at me? Zee? I haf a fekin niiiiice zupercah!)

d.) Turn off car at the cafe. No cool off time, then start it again at 1am and leave without letting it warm up.

e.) Thrash the hell out of it all five miles back to the estate.

f.) Park it and turn it off.

Scenario B:

Owner parks it for ten years, and drives it only once a year. Endurance testing assures that the huge engine won't get stuck up even if not run for years at a time.

 

[Layla's Keeper]

Supercar.

Helluva term.

It encompasses everything from bare carbon floor specials like the Ferrari F40 and Mosler MT900 Photon to luxurious land-based private jets like the Jaguar XJ220 and Lamborghini Diablo.

Obviously, the Veyron isn't the welterweight that the McLaren F1 was - though at 2513lbs, the McLaren wasn't by any stretch of the imagination the lightest of the modern era supercars. That title belongs to the 2144lb Mosler - but 3000lb + supercars aren't exactly uncommon either (XJ220 - 3,241, Enzo - 3,230, Murcielago - 3,638),

The Veyron is now a real car and it ran the number. It's not the prettiest supercar ever (it makes the EB110 look spritely by comparison), it's not the most refined (shades of DeTomaso Pantera in its approach), and it's not even that memorable (but how many of us have names like Pegaso, Bizzarini, and Cizeta running through our minds?), but it did what it set out to do and I'm sure some rich guys will enjoy owning the world's fastest car until someone else builds the next world's fastest car.

Also, let's feel bad for Konigsegg who've had the just about the shortest time atop the supercar speed charts ever and who did it the honest way with ten tons of time in the wind tunnel.

 

[eliseracer]

That title belongs to the 2144lb Mosler

Ultima GTR 640: 2094lbs and 640bhp.

Also, let's feel bad for Konigsegg who've had the just about the shortest time atop the supercar speed charts ever and who did it the honest way with ten tons of time in the wind tunnel.

I believe that tiltle is in Lamborghini's pockets with the Diablo GT (I'm not sure about the details, but the XJ220 is also up there). I don't feel sorry for that company in the slightest bit. I would've either hired a higher-level experienced designer to do the work, or a fresh, dauntingly liberal designer to shake things up. The design is far too conservative and reminds me of every other Mr. Potato-Head supercar out there.

I'm sure the Veyron has also seen it's share of tunnel testing. The main reason it has been delayed is because of those top speed aerodynamic/stability problems. What was completely stupid was the original plan of having special 200+mph tires to be fitted, but luckily they've ditched that.

 

[Driftster]

I thought another reason for it's delay was it overheated regularly?

 

[Layla's Keeper]

The Ultima is a kit car, as stupendous as it is. As opposed to the Mosler which is a production machine, the Ultima is primarily purchased as a kit.

I like the car a lot, as it reminds me of an old Camel Lights car for the street (like a Tiga) but it's no more a supercar than the Factory Five Racing Mulsanne GTM.

And the Lamborghini Diablo made its debut in 1991 with a 203mph documented top speed, taking the top rung from the Ferrari F40's 201mph record. The XJ220 appeared one year later in 1993 and slapped the bar up to 217.

Konigsegg didn't even get one year out of their record.

 

[Dave A]

The Ultima GTR is classed as a production car, so it counts end of. It's not me or you that decides what the rules and regulations are for classification of production or not production machines.

 

[Driftster]

The ultima GTR has sold more units than the Mosler..

The Mosler got it's american legalization less than 2 months ago.

And even NOW it's still crapping out due to a extremely under supportive clutch....

The GTR is a reliable beast....deemed a production car because it can be baught as one piece...

the Mosler is a rich mans dream that is slowly becoming a reality..

and technically koenigsegg records still stands...

The koenigsegg is more than capable of higher top speeds than it achieved..

It's a matter of space.....

Put the buggati on the same track the koenig ran it's speed at and I gaurentee it won't pull it's "fastest" speed.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Put the buggati on the same track the koenig ran it's speed at and I gaurentee it won't pull it's "fastest" speed.