The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

[mynameis66]

Have they upped the fuel consumption with this update slightly?When i used 2 of my original cars on Tokyo,Audi R8 and Imprezza 22b,i could complete the race on FM1,stopping at the end of lap 8 as usual for fuel and tyres.Since the update i have to mess around with fuel maps to get to the end of lap 8.Ive noticed a similair thing with some of my cars on Le mans.

 

[The_It_Jojo]

Small update: if you plan to use the Porsche 930 that car will kill you at least once in a braking zone, but it's less deadly than before.

 

[jergto]

I did this in a 516pp ZR1 (still 1066hp), not only slower, but had to pit 2x times, vs 1 time PRE 1.20 update. This update blows. I'm on fuel map 6 and the fuel consumption is okay, but tire degradation is atrocious. Also slow tapping the wall, damages the car more than before.

Anyone arguing realism is a GT nut rider, how does car heal itself after a wall tap or a crash? lol, tf outta here with realism bs.

 

[TumeK5]

Welp, the race is ruined for my MR2 now.

 

[The_It_Jojo]

Yeah, even with the physics update, the MR2 is not really a good car (at least if engine swapped, still need to test the stock engine one) for the race.

 

[TumeK5]

Yeah, even with the physics update, the MR2 is not really a good car (at least if engine swapped, still need to test the stock engine one) for the race.

Actually...I switched to hards and comfortably won the race. And that's on hard difficulty. Started a thread of my own after the initial reaction. Also posted about the MR2 when I first took it for a ride.

 

[BWM]

A run with the GTO

Not bad for a classic muscle. Too much understeer in 1.20 I just keep it open diff.

The new physics change and higher tire wear also ruined some of my toys.
EK9 with RH only last 11laps.
My trusty golf mk1 lost it's agility felt like a 2 ton car.
Pantera on SH not grippy as before, slide much easier.
Overall the understeer just kill the fun.

 

[RCKakashi14]

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Passed with flying colors. The go-to Porsche for 600 pp without the dreary 911 oversteer.

Tune:


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(I copied Sharkwerks' gearbox ratios, by the way.)

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Here's a follow-up video:

 

[mynameis66]

Took one of my early Tokyo runners,Amg A45 running RM on stock supension,out on a race today.Pre update was a`comfy`win,about 15secs to second,today was a win both times by just 2 secs,so im convinced the ai have upped the pace slighlty.However i didnt change tyres just refueled both times.I was surprised the RMs lasted but i dont tend to go for fastest laps anymore,just try and keep the same consistent pace,im not the fastest driver anyway so maybe that comes into play. 👍

 

[The_It_Jojo]

A 26b swapped Mazda RX-8, without exploits, can do the race in 26:31 on hards, though with practice I'm confident I can go faster.

One thing to note, tyres don't last, even sports hards.

 

[mynameis66]

If anybody wants a pretty easy win but still have to drive the car i used the Focus RS with engine swap,i can do the whole race on SH,and on FM1.The car is slightly heavier and not as nimble as a regular tuned focus and my only gripe is you cant put a loud exhaust on it.lol
Im not the fastest so if your a faster driver or more aggressive you may need to pit for literally a splash of fuel,tune is below but all i really did was mess with ride height and the diff settings.

 

[BWM]

Looks like people are busy with the tomahawk
Give some more love to the "normal cars"

The TZ2 is surprisingly fast. Back in GT6 when I tried it felt weird to drive so I didn't get my hopes high.

Classic porsches gave me headache so many times I drove it with extreme caution at first. When I tried pushing harder it show me it is a more manageable car (relatively)
The only problem was the unstable rear under braking especially before turn 1. (it made me go for brake balance adjustment that I rarely touch in most of the cars)





Got some more RH FF tests, most can't last 12 laps now without tire change
DC2 and old Swift can but just barely, both start losing grip in the last hairpin.
Didn't tried much from brand central but I don't think heavier modern cars could do better. (New Swift is lighter though, might give it a go)

 

[rkwld]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

 

[Arkseven]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

I think "intended" is a little relative.

There are cars that you don't need to pit because they just have good fuel efficiency. The Evo V can do first lap in FM 6 and the rest of the race in FM 1, easily.

Couple pages ago we've posted a lot of "normal/almost stock" cars that can win this race. The secret is the setup and/or the use of Racing Hard tires.

In my experience, cars that are by default near the 600pp limit aren't really as good as cars that you can use upgrades.

The Evo V is my favorite so far. It's a car that can win this race completely stock* with only Racing Hard tires, but if you want to best possible time, use Weight Reduction level 2, Fully Custom ECU, Racing Air Filter, Racing Intercooler, Sports Silencer and Exhaust Manifold. That will leave that car at ~595pp.

*I said stock, and indeed it was, but especifically for the Evo, you need a custom gearbox. Doesn't matter if it's normal or racing gearbox. The default max speed is 240, which is not enough. Mine is set at 320 km/h and it works great.

 

[breeminator]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

Here is an example of a 1 stop setup that can easily win and doesn't use glitches:

The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - now testing out cars for it.

I wonder if anyone has attempted this with an awd car like a 918? I'm too poor to be spending all the funds on a 918 I want to keep nearly stock!!! :( The 2013 918 Spyder is decent for this race, I've done 26:40 with it (no stops), but I did apply full weight reduction including stage 5, I...

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[05XR8]

Using the Atenza diesel. No worries about pitting or tyres. Easy no stop. I’m getting to Lap 7-8 and no matter what I’m doing, the nary AI take me out or tap me into a wall. I back off and lose too much time. I get aggressive and the AI push back. It’s crazy. Lap 9, to the Off-ramp before the toll plaza and AI tag team took me out. Spun into the walls and damaged the engine. Just quit the race. I’ll try it later.


Jumped in the F430. No dramas. Pit Lap 9. Beat the NSX by .443 Seconds. Stock settings. FM1. Full throttle everywhere I could. 2:11 FL.

Edit: Unbelievable. Again. Lap 9 in the Atenza. In the tunnel and I’m running P2. The GT-R and FD3S both take me out with a squeeze sandwich move, on my right rear corner. Pitting me into the wall. ”They” don’t want me to win this one with a 2.2L diesel.

Edit2: RX-V is a solid performer. Easy handling with stock suspension.

 

[mynameis66]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

I found the R32,R33,R34 and the Gtr`17 all winners with minimal tuning.The R32 was a little more involved,with the R33/34 with SH is a win with only fuel stop for me,the GTR was RM.no weight reduction,body rigidity and medium rev turbo.Add a little ballast or reduce the power to get it to 600p/564hp.I ran 1st lap on FM1 then FM4 until end of lap 8,refuel and FM1 until the end.If your not in 1st by the end of lap 1 dont worry,steady wins the race most times.
My lap times are not as quick as a lot of people on here but i still manage a win,somust be doing something right.lol
Amg 45,Lancia delta,with or without engine swap,subaru imprezza 22b is another good one.Ive not had much success with RWD cars so maybe my driving style.Sorry for the ramble. 👍

 

[rkwld]

I found the R32,R33,R34 and the Gtr`17 all winners with minimal tuning.The R32 was a little more involved,with the R33/34 with SH is a win with only fuel stop for me,the GTR was RM.no weight reduction,body rigidity and medium rev turbo.Add a little ballast or reduce the power to get it to 600p/564hp.I ran 1st lap on FM1 then FM4 until end of lap 8,refuel and FM1 until the end.If your not in 1st by the end of lap 1 dont worry,steady wins the race most times.
My lap times are not as quick as a lot of people on here but i still manage a win,somust be doing something right.lol
Amg 45,Lancia delta,with or without engine swap,subaru imprezza 22b is another good one.Ive not had much success with RWD cars so maybe my driving style.Sorry for the ramble. 👍

I've tried it so many times with the '17 GTR and I just can't manage it for some reason on SH. The only upgraded car I tried (most were detuned cars) was the Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo and it was actually pretty good, but lost due to the suicidal AI making me rack up penalties. I'll keep trying it once I grind enough credits on Sardegna to upgrade more cars.

 

[Rage Racer]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

BMW M3 E46 with swapped engine (from Z4 GT3) works fine. It seems like you also get a gas tank from a GT3 car with the engine so you have more than enough fuel to go all 12 laps without pitting.

But I also won with one pit stop, on other cars such as: Mach Forty, Corvette C6 ZR1, Corvette C7 '14, Viper GTS '02, Viper SRT-10 '06, Audi R8 4.2, Nissan Z '23 and some others. Most were modified in suspension, engine and tires (sports medium seem fine to me).

 

[mynameis66]

I've tried it so many times with the '17 GTR and I just can't manage it for some reason on SH. The only upgraded car I tried (most were detuned cars) was the Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo and it was actually pretty good, but lost due to the suicidal AI making me rack up penalties. I'll keep trying it once I grind enough credits on Sardegna to upgrade more cars.

Try the Gtr on RM,for me losing a bit of power in favor of grip was best for me,the R8 on SH is another from my early grinding days.Keep at it,will just all click together then you`ll be trying cars you wouldnt have thought of.
Since the latest update some of my earlier Tokyo cars are no longer such an easy win,the Amg 45 was a pretty sustantial win for me,+20 secs to second place,now its a lot less,like+5 secs.Go figure.

 

[fastone371]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

The only one I can beat it with is the Aston Martin and only if I manually short shift and don't pit, which is surely not the intended method of winning this race.

You should be able to easily beat this race with the DP100 pitting 2 times. I typically lap all but 2nd and 3rd place cars without pitting. Short shifting with the DP100 is a good thing, the car accelerates faster this way, its actually slower running it all the way to redline, there are many cats in the game that benefit from short shifting. You should be able to go at least 2:08-2:09 lap times with this car which will get you fast lap of the race. I have gone as fast as 2:04.9, it's a great car without glitches for this race.

 

[mynameis66]

You should be able to easily beat this race with the DP100 pitting 2 times. I typically lap all but 2nd and 3rd place cars without pitting. Short shifting with the DP100 is a good thing, the car accelerates faster this way, its actually slower running it all the way to redline, there are many cats in the game that benefit from short shifting. You should be able to go at least 2:08-2:09 lap times with this car which will get you fast lap of the race. I have gone as fast as 2:04.9, it's a great car without glitches for this race.

Thats good lap times,i struggle to get below 2.12 with the DP100,but it is what it is.A win is a win. ​

 

[p78]

I'm an average driver, and run 2:10 laps on this in the DP. But I only have to pit one time at the end of lap 8. On Sport Hard. I can do an occasional (low) 2.09 in lap 9 or 10. However fastest lap prognosis says I should be able to run 2:08. IN THEORY 🤔

 

[walnut3]

This track has been my regular grind and I have tried to rotate cars to find out which one can do the entire run the quickest. Here's my best times for each of the cars I recorded (PS - these are standard tunes or nearly standard cars with power/weight deficit, no exploits):

Time	Date	Car	pp	Tyres	Stops	BHP	kg	Drive
27:02.239	10/06/2022	Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 '11	599.96	SH	1	566	1765	4WD
27:07.369	13/06/2022	Dodge Viper Gr.4	600.00	SH	1	520	1400	FR
27:11.075	08/06/2022	Nissan GR-R NISMO '17	600.00	SH	1	591	1794	4WD
27:12.044	09/06/2022	Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 SV '15	599.90	SH	1	455	1530	4WD
27:12.242	04/09/2022	Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09	599.59	SH	1	554	1665	4WD
27:15.903	06/06/2022	Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4 '15	600.00	SH	1	503	1512	4WD
27:16.920	18/08/2022	De Tomaso Pantera '71	599.27	SH	1	517	1178	MR
27:17.215	11/08/2022	Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02 [R26B-787B]	599.80	SH	0	483	1237	FR
27:19.242	19/06/2022	Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport '16	599.88	SH	0	449	1304	MR
27:20.638	16/06/2022	Ferrari 458 Italia '09	599.54	SH	1	543	1563	MR
27:22.535	28/08/2022	Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08 [VK45DE-GT-R]	599.71	SH	1	527	1495	FR
27:22.794	19/08/2022	Audi TTS Coupé '14	599.62	SH	1	448	1246	4WD
27:24.363	04/06/2022	Dodge Viper GTS '13	599.89	SH	1	640	1556	FR
27:24.737	05/06/2022	McLaren 650S '14	599.75	SH	1	591	1520	MR
27:25.835	27/08/2022	Porsche Cayman GT4 '16	599.83	SH	1	498	1342	MR

Since patch 1.20 it is much more challenging to get a good time:

• Penalty for light touches can hurt lap times significantly, especially where steering angle is affected
• Tyre grip seems lower and 4WD cars seem slightly more likely to understeer
• Tyre wear is higher
• Fuel consumption is higher

I am gutted that I never managed to beat 27 minutes and it is now probably very very hard to do so, unless there is some car I've not tried yet that is less balanced than the rest.

 

[rkwld]

This track has been my regular grind and I have tried to rotate cars to find out which one can do the entire run the quickest. Here's my best times for each of the cars I recorded (PS - these are standard tunes or nearly standard cars with power/weight deficit, no exploits):

Time	Date	Car	pp	BHP	kg	Drive
27:02.239	10/06/2022	Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 '11	599.96	566	1765	4WD
27:07.369	13/06/2022	Dodge Viper Gr.4	600.00	520	1400	FR
27:11.075	08/06/2022	Nissan GR-R NISMO '17	600.00	591	1794	4WD
27:12.044	09/06/2022	Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 SV '15	599.90	455	1530	4WD
27:12.242	04/09/2022	Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09	599.59	554	1665	4WD
27:15.903	06/06/2022	Lamborghini Huracán LP 610-4 '15	600.00	503	1512	4WD
27:16.920	18/08/2022	DeTomaso Pantera '71	599.27	517	1178	MR
27:17.215	11/08/2022	Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02	599.80	483	1237	FR
27:19.242	19/06/2022	Porsche Cayman GT4 Clubsport '16	599.88	449	1304	MR
27:20.638	16/06/2022	Ferrari 458 Italia '09	599.54	543	1563	MR
27:22.535	28/08/2022	Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08	599.71	527	1495	FR
27:22.794	19/08/2022	Audi TTS Coupé '14	599.62	448	1246	4WD
27:24.363	04/06/2022	Dodge Viper GTS '13	599.89	640	1556	FR
27:24.737	05/06/2022	McLaren 650S '14	599.75	591	1520	MR
27:25.835	27/08/2022	Porsche Cayman GT4 '16	599.83	498	1342	MR

Since patch 1.20 it is much more challenging to get a good time:

• Penalty for light touches can hurt lap times significantly, especially where steering angle is affected
• Tyre grip seems lower and 4WD cars seem slightly more likely to understeer
• Tyre wear is higher
• Fuel consumption is higher

I am gutted that I never managed to beat 27 minutes and it is now probably very very hard to do so, unless there is some car I've not tried yet that is less balanced than the rest.

Great chart. Do you mind also putting number of pit stops?

 

[vonMarshall]

I’m finding this really hard suddenly. My R35 was my go to safe win when I wanted an easy 800cr and normally did 2:12’s for the last few laps. My 997 could do high 2:11s and when I wanted a real challenge, my 993 RSCS would get me 2;12s but with high risk.

Now my R35 feels really heavy and the 993 too slow, only the 997 wins and with 2:13s best so far.

Seems like a good time to experiment with something different

 

[walnut3]

Great chart. Do you mind also putting number of pit stops?

Whilst I did not record this I used my best recollection to update the table (might take a while to update since it needs to be reviewed by a moderator).

 

[05XR8]

I won by just under 12 seconds, in the RX-8/R26B. Should be under 27 minutes, because I didn't stop.

 

[breeminator]

What is the intended method of winning this race without using a glitch like the Tomahawk or a car that only wins because it doesnt need to pit. I've spent so many credits trying different cars for this race and despite good lap times and clean races, I'm not even coming close. I've tried the BAC Mono, Lexus RCF, Ferrari FXX, Jaguar F-Type, Aston Martin DP-100, Nissan GT-R '17, and more.

This probably isn't an optimal setup, but I just took a car from my garage, put SM tyres on it, adjusted the power to hit 600pp, and won easily enough with 1 stop.

I used TC1, and shifted around 50% bar, as the power is dropping off already at that point. I pitted at the end of lap 6 and added about 20% fuel to go from 40% to 60%. Brake balance needs moving a little forward to even out front and rear tyre wear. Pitting at the end of lap 7 could be better, as the tyre wear seemed worse in the 2nd stint.

 

[johnson_57]

Some Lamborghini's.

Huracan LP 610
Aventador LP 750
Veneno

They are all excellent performers in the Tokyo race. I Do prefer the Aventador though, it handles really well and is a pleasure to drive for me.