The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

[Chris McFly]

Damn dude that is strange...
Well, I guess you've got the difficulty on Hard, which might make up to 15 sec difference, depending on the randomness of the AI.
Have you beaten the race with other cars?

There are many good options, but it depends heavily on...

a) Are you using controller or wheel? (Sorry, I didn't read your previous posts)
b) Automatic or Manual gearbox?
c) Assists or No Assists. (Countersteering/ASM/Traction Control)

Based on the above, we can recommend the right car and setup for you, for an easy win, or a fun drive, as you wish.

Difficulty is normal

a) I have the Ps5 DS controller, Adaptive Triggers on weak
b) Automatic
c) No assists, except ABS on weak and corner indicators on the track.

Edit: i mean you can recommend me both, because once ive figured this race out.. i am going to grind the living hell out of it

 

[Mudda Chod]

Difficulty is normal

a) I have the Ps5 DS controller, Adaptive Triggers on weak
b) Automatic
c) No assists, except ABS on weak and corner indicators on the track.

Edit: i mean you can recommend me both, because once ive figured this race out.. i am going to grind the living hell out of it

Ah, awesome. Then here's a few options for you to consider. Note that for most cars, the devil is in the details...

Firstly, I recommend ABS on Strong, and for most cars Countersteering on Strong, particularly for the first lap while the track is wet. If you don't want to use these assists, that's fine, but you will need to drive well. Maybe try with the assists and then turn them off later, if you find they're not helping/necessary.

1. @Habla2k uses automatic gearbox and I'm sure he can recommend many good cars and setups.

2. For your current choice Honda NSX '17, are you using Praiano' tune?

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

@praiano63 where can you buy the Mclaren F1? Did I miss an opportunity? It was a gift from "Hagerty drivers club team" they'd sent a code to me and i do the setting for them and us too.;)

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If so, double check his comments regarding essential parts/stiffening/gear ratios and note his comment "Shift half RPM bar for the first part", which is kinda hard with the automatic gearbox.

2. From your comment, if you are prepared to learn manual shifting, then the Aston Martin DP-100 is by far the easiest win, but not with Automatic gearbox because you must shift earlier with this car also.

3. For Automatic gearbox, I found the WRX Gr B is a reasonable choice

CREDIT GRIND - WTC 600 Tokyo Express - Glitches are Dead.

I agree that it's frustrating, but actually I'm enjoying the challenge (to get the quickest race time without Tomahawk) Have you turned on all the assists? Including display of the braking zone? TCS 5, ASC & Countersteering. For all these tunes (in combination with the wet track) the car...

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4. Also for automatic gearbox the Mercedes 300 SEL 6.8 '71, is also an easy win. You need to buy it from the Legends Car dealer for Cr 700k, which might turn you off, but you can easily get your money back (by winning the race = 825k)

The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - now testing out cars for it.

I don't know how total race times have changed since the last update, as I haven't re-tested previously fast cars, but I did 26:18 with the Celica '94 today - no tuning glitches and no wallriding. I did the race 7 times to develop this setup. It might look like I just bought all upgrades, but my...

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You will find many more good options in this thread if you search for "automatic" (in this thread)

 

[Habla2k]

@Chris McFly
Hey man, you could check the last 10 or 15 pages for suggestions. Other than that, you can try these:

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

www.gtplanet.net

or

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

Just checked, and each gear is adjustable individualy, as is the final. I honestly don't know what the difference between the two transmissions is. afaik, there's a quicker gear change on the racing trans. The manual custom gearbox is just your run of the mill gearbox but you can change ratios...

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or

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

I just want to drop in and post this. I've used @praiano63 's Gr4 Supra settings on this along with the LSD settings from his M6 GT3 and the car is quite good. Yes I have the downforce cranked up, but it works so I roll with it. The car is set up for GT4 racing, yellow one for custom races and...

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@Baka_Marimo postet a few pages back a list of stock cars he used (no tuning) that could win too. Like the Corvette C7. Some of them have other PP now so maybe not all of them work. The 3 tunes i posted area really easy wins, even for me. Another option is the GR4 Huracan tuned down to 600pp, because he can do a no stop race.

Hope this helps.

@Mudda Chod <3

 

[BWM]

Difficulty is normal

a) I have the Ps5 DS controller, Adaptive Triggers on weak
b) Automatic
c) No assists, except ABS on weak and corner indicators on the track.

Edit: i mean you can recommend me both, because once ive figured this race out.. i am going to grind the living hell out of it

Just did a quick run with the new NSX, SH non stop run, difficulty Hard

All stock only with body kit (no wide body), default downforce
Same PS5 controller, ABS default, MT
Noway near a good run but hope it help.

 

[Chris McFly]

Thanks! Might try tomorrow also with MT.

 

[Mudda Chod]

Thanks! Might try tomorrow also with MT.

Oh I forgot to mention the Alpine VGT. It's an easy win with the auto gearbox in under 27 min.

CREDIT GRIND - WTC 600 Tokyo Express - Glitches are Dead.

@Mudda Chod .Despite sounding bad,with CM and RH tyres,this is actually pretty good,once you get past the first lap the car picks up.Like you said no lap records but it is a nice steady win,add a manual cust trans and the PP drops further. I tried the same combo of tyres on my Castrol Tom...

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NOTES: check the comments.
1. It turns like a school bus, so brake early and then coast around.
2. TCS on 5 for lap one, then lower, then off

 

[johnson_57]

Herbie's got some attitude with a Porsche engine in his ass.

 

[Mudda Chod]

Herbie's got some attitude with a Porsche engine in his ass.

Haaahaa, I love the pic of the dive bomb on Gallo.

I love the satisfaction of closing them out, into the wall as they madly accelerate around the outside..... * Crunch *

 

[mynameis66]

If you have the right engine swaps,Nissan Z34 `08,on SH running FM1 is a non stopper.Good top speed,need to mess with the gearing and ballast to make the pp and keep the power,gets a little loose when the tyres start to gp off but a win all the same.
Also the Nissan silvia S14,engine swap,is another good one.I ran SH with IM on the rears,FM1 all the way to end of lap 8 to change to SH and refuel.Its a bit lively on SH thats why i ran IM on the rears to start the race.Again,you need to mess with the gearing to get the best top speed.

 

[engrmariano]

Herbie's got some attitude with a Porsche engine in his ass.

bumblebee is faster than herbie

 

[Mudda Chod]

Well this was a pleasant experience.

Mercedes SLR McLaren '09 is stable through the corners on SH and a bullet on the straight (325 km/hr). It's an easy win win a one-stop strategy for fuel on lap 7, 8 or 9.

Available from the Used Car dealer for Cr 517,600, with PP 600.55.

I added Stiffening, but probably it's not required. Either add 11 kg of ballast or use power restrictor at 99% to get under 600 PP. Everything else is stock.

The engine is a big thumper, sounds delicious and feels most comfortable changing gears around 6,250 rpm.... Aim to use the peak torque, rather than peak power. I was lazy and used the Countersteering assist (mostly to make lap 1 easier).

It laps in 2.09s with full race under 27 min. Lovely drive, and be sure to check out the red leather interior. Mmmmmmm.

 

[Habla2k]

I had more problems with the SLR, felt a bit unstable in the back, but i could win also a few weeks back. But only a few seconds lead.

 

[Mudda Chod]

I had more problems with the SLR, felt a bit unstable in the back, but i could win also a few weeks back. But only a few seconds lead.

True for high revs and/or on lap 1 without assists. Not recommended for auto gearbox (I forgot to mention)

 

[Famine]

I've been trying to find a car I want to do this race with, and it's honestly not easy.

I'm trying to stick with the spirit of the race: the AI use tuned-up sports and performance cars, so that's more-or-less what I want to use. I don't want "cheater" race cars (not to say people who use them are cheating, but that showing up to a race of 1990s-2020s sports cars in a race car - or vintage Le Mans car - feels wrong to me), I don't want to use Legends machines that are hard to find and wear them out, and I don't want to burn through the engine-swapped cars on the same basis.

It also needs to be perfectly nice to drive, especially on controller as I can't be arsed lumping over to the rig most of the time I can even be bothered to play (also the G923 is very noisy and I mostly play at night).

As an obligate Mazda tosser, I thought the Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car would be a good laugh - it's in the same kind of spirit as a pre-tuned homolgation model, albeit a made-up one - but unless there's some settings wizardry I'm not aware of it just can't do the lap times. I was thinking about the RX-Vision Concept road car too on the same basis, but I can't bring myself to abuse the design with a honking great wing (if it's even possible)!

Any hints on tweaking the Atenza into contention?

 

[shadow0460]

Herbie's got some attitude with a Porsche engine in his ass.

I'll give ya $50 for the Bug.

 

[Habla2k]

Any hints on tweaking the Atenza into contention?

No, but if you try to find other cars, might take a look at this:
Car List

You can filter for pp and check all those 500-600pp cars, if any of them catches your eye. PP data might be a bit outdated and not exactly right, but can be made with some (de)tuning. Also @Baka_Marimo has a list of stock cars (some have other tires than stock) he used on tokyo, might be an inspiration too. Again some of them are now above 600p but can be reduced.

The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

do yourself a favour and buy it yes, i'm checking every day if its there. :D right now i'm using the (glitched) tune for Alpine 220 which is an easy win, or my huracan gr4 which works with no stop and has a better handling. but of course A220 is faster.

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Edit: Praiano has an (outdated) Altenza GR4 630pp tune, might wanna check that:

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

It's strange. In my case front downforce is fix 100 and rear wing go from 150 to 250. I don’t understand this Buy the aftermarket wing from GTAuto.

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Edit2: My personal favorites of non-race cars for tokyo are the mustang boss, the Audi R8, the Subaru Impreza 99 and Lamborghini Hurcan GR4.

 

[shadow0460]

I've been running more and more events without assists and with a manual transmission. Tokyo 600 is not one of them...yet. What I am learning is the combination of assists you use is critical for each event depending on your skill level and driving style. Skill comes with playingvthe game, so the necessary assists will change over time. They also change due to game patches.
Don't forget the controller settings. Changing the sensitivity and countersteer can help out with driveability.
I prefer a car that's more stable but somewhat slower and may need up to three stops. I had a win with the Group B Mustang of about 7 seconds the other day with no stops. The increased stability means I'm able to take the twisty parts at 120-130 MPH but might top out at 165 on the straight.
Most ofy runs are posted, they include wins with a near stock Murceilago, a near stock Group B Mustang, the 2J "sucker car" and an RX-7 and a Cappuccino with engine swaps. The PP calculation on the Cappucino isn't bugged, IMO, that car will get away from you quick.
To compare with other events, I often do the Spa 1 hour with only countersteer assist and ABS. I run that in the Red Bull Comp and sometimes switch it up to the same RX-7 with assists or a Formula 1 car (driving on instruments alone at night). Ditto at Sardegna and Le Mans but I'll throw the F-XX-K or the Porsche 919 in there sometimes and I often run Sardegna with just countersteer assist and ABS.
I'm finding some of the CE's require assists and on others I have zero chance of winning with them. That goes for the manual vs auto transmission, too.
Specifically on the transmission, you need to keep the RPM's between the values for max horsepower and max torque when the race is really close. Usually estimating by the engine sound will work. The auto transcribe to redline, shifts, runs to redline, shifts, etc. It does something weird on downshift, too. Downshifting properly on the manual will plant the front end of anything except maybe a bulldozer. There's a rhythm to it, once mastered understeer is a thing of the past.
I'm not the best player or driver, those are just some ideas.

 

[MidnightRun85]

I've been trying to find a car I want to do this race with, and it's honestly not easy.

I'm trying to stick with the spirit of the race: the AI use tuned-up sports and performance cars, so that's more-or-less what I want to use. I don't want "cheater" race cars (not to say people who use them are cheating, but that showing up to a race of 1990s-2020s sports cars in a race car - or vintage Le Mans car - feels wrong to me), I don't want to use Legends machines that are hard to find and wear them out, and I don't want to burn through the engine-swapped cars on the same basis.

It also needs to be perfectly nice to drive, especially on controller as I can't be arsed lumping over to the rig most of the time I can even be bothered to play (also the G923 is very noisy and I mostly play at night).

As an obligate Mazda tosser, I thought the Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car would be a good laugh - it's in the same kind of spirit as a pre-tuned homolgation model, albeit a made-up one - but unless there's some settings wizardry I'm not aware of it just can't do the lap times. I was thinking about the RX-Vision Concept road car too on the same basis, but I can't bring myself to abuse the design with a honking great wing (if it's even possible)!

Any hints on tweaking the Atenza into contention?

If you don't mind shying away from the Mazda's, the Amuse Nismo 380RS is my favourite "tuner" car for this, and the Aston DB11 is pretty awesome when tuned using Praiano's tune.

Out of interest, what were your lap times in the Atenza RC? I've been meaning to buy that one and try it out for this race, but if the lap times aren't there, I won't bother.

 

[Famine]

No, but if you try to find other cars

If you don't mind shying away from the Mazda

Obligate. Mazda. Tosser.

Out of interest, what were your lap times in the Atenza RC? I've been meaning to buy that one and try it out for this race, but if the lap times aren't there, I won't bother.

With just power and weight tweaks on SM to get to 600PP, I think 2'16 was my best lap. On controller, natch.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Obligate. Mazda. Tosser.

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With just power and weight tweaks on SM to get to 600PP, I think 2'16 was my best lap. On controller, natch.

2:16's should get you a win, but a very tight win. Might be some gearbox tuning to get some top end out of it to extract a second or two out of a lap. Tried SH tyres? Should afford you more power and less weight and you'll get those times down further.

I find the RX-Vision concept gorgeous but way too tail happy at the best of times. I've driven it a handful of times and it's gorgeous but far too wild...

EDIT: Oh, and I was intending on using the standard Atenza as well (not stock, of course!) for a crack. Being 4WD it should pull pretty hard through the twisty stuff.

 

[Habla2k]

2:16's should get you a win, but a very tight win.

Only without pitstop. 12 laps with each 136s laptime are 1632seconds or 27min and 12 seconds. A pitstop will cost you around 30s depending on how much fuel you have to take. 27:42 will probably not be enough since 1.25 patch. not even on easy.

 

[daan]

Obligate. Mazda. Tosser.

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With just power and weight tweaks on SM to get to 600PP, I think 2'16 was my best lap. On controller, natch.

EDIT: Oh, and I was intending on using the standard Atenza as well (not stock, of course!) for a crack. Being 4WD it should pull pretty hard through the twisty stuff.

It's possible in the normal Atenza. Bought all of the things. Didn't change anything apart from downforce and gearing. Changed up slightly early because diesel. Was a bit squirrely though.

 

[breeminator]

Mercedes SLR McLaren '09 ... full race under 27 min.

Nice, when it's that fast in mostly stock form, I thought it had to be able to go a fair bit faster. I did an interesting 26:40 no stop with SH tyres on the front and SM tyres on the rear (putting SM on the rear costs very little PP, whereas putting them on the front costs a lot of PP). The SM tyres last the whole race, the only problem is fuel, which did need a lot of short shifting and changing up and down fuel maps. It might be faster to one stop, but I thought I'd post this setup. No wide body. Brake balance all the way to the front, which annoyingly doesn't change the setup and I never remember to change it before taking the screenshots. I used TC2.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Only without pitstop. 12 laps with each 136s laptime are 1632seconds or 27min and 12 seconds. A pitstop will cost you around 30s depending on how much fuel you have to take. 27:42 will probably not be enough since 1.25 patch. not even on easy.

I'm sure I won by 8s with a race time around 27:37 the other night... One stop, best lap was a 2:13 but regular 15s and 16s in the mix.

It's possible in the normal Atenza. Bought all of the things. Didn't change anything apart from downforce and gearing. Changed up slightly early because diesel. Was a bit squirrely though.

Good to know! I'll be adding that to the list of must-drives at Tokyo then.

 

[Arkseven]

Interested in fancy sedans? How about a completely stock Crown Athlete with RH tires? 👀

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It's quite an experience!


I found a nice "setup" for my R33. The best setup I had was WR 2, ECU, Racing Intercooler, Racing Filter and RH tires. Best total race time:

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This setup got ruined after the last patch, putting the car at 612pp.

I could stay with the WR2 upgrade, but I wanted the deafult interior sound back, so I bought a new chassi to reset weight mods.

The new setup is: Fully Custom ECU, Sports Intercooler and Low RPM Turbo. I don't like to use Turbo mods because they're very OP, but they're also very handy for this race.
I was losing the rear easily, so especifically for this car, I did "tune" the LSD. Nothing major, it's just something to get it under control.
Front/Rear:
10 / 10
20 / 20
35 / 35

Still a bit dangerous at turn 1, but very safe for the rest of the track.

This is one of my recent races and I do have a faster total time of 27:05. I believe it's possible to do a sub-27 minutes with this car.

Fastest lap was 2:10.297. I'm quite happy with it.

Low RPM Turbo works great on almost every car, but I'm finding to be extra useful on the R33, R34, WRX 14' and Supra RZ.

 

[05XR8]

I've been trying to find a car I want to do this race with, and it's honestly not easy.

I'm trying to stick with the spirit of the race: the AI use tuned-up sports and performance cars, so that's more-or-less what I want to use. I don't want "cheater" race cars (not to say people who use them are cheating, but that showing up to a race of 1990s-2020s sports cars in a race car - or vintage Le Mans car - feels wrong to me), I don't want to use Legends machines that are hard to find and wear them out, and I don't want to burn through the engine-swapped cars on the same basis.

It also needs to be perfectly nice to drive, especially on controller as I can't be arsed lumping over to the rig most of the time I can even be bothered to play (also the G923 is very noisy and I mostly play at night).

As an obligate Mazda tosser, I thought the Mazda Atenza Gr.3 Road Car would be a good laugh - it's in the same kind of spirit as a pre-tuned homolgation model, albeit a made-up one - but unless there's some settings wizardry I'm not aware of it just can't do the lap times. I was thinking about the RX-Vision Concept road car too on the same basis, but I can't bring myself to abuse the design with a honking great wing (if it's even possible)!

Any hints on tweaking the Atenza into contention?

Im a Mazda head as well. These are my winning set ups. I haven’t tried a normal Renesis RX-8, yet. I’m in the process of building RX8 Cup cars. It’s not fast on the straights, but Of course fuel is not an issue with the RX-878B.
RX-V is nice overall. Been a while since I ran either at this track(I mainly use them at La Sarthe). Swear I posted pics in this thread.

Edit: I just I’d a race. Messed up my fill by One Lap. Had to pit again on Lap 11. Still had a buffer for the win. Easy to drive even on evenly half worn tyres f/r.

Edit2: Gallo nearly pitting me into the wall, before the line.

 

[mynameis66]

Only without pitstop. 12 laps with each 136s laptime are 1632seconds or 27min and 12 seconds. A pitstop will cost you around 30s depending on how much fuel you have to take. 27:42 will probably not be enough since 1.25 patch. not even on easy.

2.16s-2.20s per lap gets me a win with a pitstop for fuel on lap 8,if i need tyres its still a win just longer than 27mins race time.Im not fussed if the race takes me 29mins,a win is still a win,i not a chaser of lap times. 👍

 

[SPL170db]

Decided to change it up today and used the nerfed Escudo on CH tires. Finished the race in 26:15, with a 2:06.5 fastest lap. This a decent bit quicker than I was managing with the R8. The tires easily last the whole race and I could probably do a no stop if I ran leaner fuel mix. Was using 1 and 2 the whole way.

 

[Chris McFly]

I finally managed to get first with the Audi Pikes Peak 87... needed some tuning in advance obviously. With RH the first 3 or 4 laps are a bit interesting but then you can push. 1 stop.. not the best time overall. But now i am interested in getting a 911 into that race.. lets see how it goes...

 

[daan]

@Famine @05XR8

RX-Vison is a nice drive. Can't fit a wing to it but it has some (unadjustable) downforce. My setup a bit different to @05XR8 in that I've got less ballast, and more power, and use FM6 to make it a no stop race. Haven't upgraded or touched the suspension or gearing. Tyres are absolutely fine (but then, I would say that...)