The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

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luv2drive
@Tommy_D this is the tune I used for my fastest time. I just recorded a 26:25 with it tonight. As mentioned before it is essentially a hybrid of your tune and @praiano63 's.

I took your base tune with SH tires but used the suspension, LSD, and aero settings from Praiano. I then tweaked the transmission settings a little, primarily to lengthen 6th gear for the straight

With THIS tune, the top speed on the straight is around 209-210. It's a little less than mentioned because one of the key differences between the tunes is that your tune has no downforce and Praiano's has max. rear downforce. I think the grip provided by the downforce provides the largest contribution to the faster overall lap times (2-3 secs per lap)

If I use your base tune with ONLY the transmission changes I can get the 212-213 on the straight (216 on a dry track in TT mode), but my overall time for the Tokyo race comes out around 26:58.

The thing I'm still wondering is if some tweaks to the suspension might even improve the time a little more, since these settings were originally on a tune with SM tires, but this is where my knowledge of tuning falls short :) They are comfortable enough with this tune and the extra grip provided by the downforce is very helpful on the "slalom" portions of the course. Most of the laps on my last run were sub 2:09 starting with lap 3 I believe. I passed Gallo midway through lap 2 and never saw him again.

Thanks for your tune. This has been a very fun experiment. I'm very curious if these modifications improve your time as well.

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So I gave this tune a test and I tied my 26:46 time on the first try. No clean race bonus as my braking points were all off and I bumped in to a couple cars in the first couple laps. Overall, it's much faster on the straights but boy is is slippery. The car sort of sways side to side in the back side of the track making it slide more than I am used to. I wonder if that is due to the really high suspension height. I haven't done much reading on praiano63's tunes, but this seems to be a common theme in his setups. The cars are really fast in a straight line but they corner like a battleship. Does the higher suspension aid in braking? It seems like the car wants to brake a bit faster with praiano's suspension settings.

Anyway, I did a no pit race on my time out. FM1 on the straight and FM6 on the back side. Finished the race on fumes with a bit of short shifting help. Tires were ~85% used up. I'm trying to make a few tweaks to the suspension and LSD to get the sway down and to help it pull through the turns a bit better. Fastest test lap is 2:05.833 on a dry track. I would like to find a couple more seconds on that number if I can.

Edit: Ugg 2:05.413 is the best I can string together. In theory I have a 2:04.8 lap in me, but that would require all my best splits. The car likes to slide through the turns and that will likely burn your tires out in 4 or 5 laps. Anyway, the only things I changed was to up the LSD on acceleration to 30/40. I also increased the LSD braking to 10/10. Front roll bar up to 10 which seemed to give more controllable slides, and decreased the camber to 1.2/1.2. This may or may not give a slight increase in contact patch when you are sliding around. Kind of hard to judge if the settings are making the car better or if I'm getting used to the car and driving it better on the same settings.

Edit 2: 26:28.178 with no pit stop. Tires were gone up front, finished on fumes again. Fastest in race lap time was 2:08.482. And I got the Clean Race Bonus. So definetly a HUGE improvement over the other tune I was using. Thanks @luv2drive for the setup.
 
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celica rally car is faster with 1 pit stop over no pit stop. no need to worry for tire and fuel saving. bellow are done exactly the same setup.
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engrmariano
i’ll be posting my tunes here, it should be easy sub 27mins.
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Nice, it'll be cool to see if I can make an improvement with your tune. I basically slapped on SH tyres, fitted fully customizable racing gearbox, and maxed downforce, then lowered and slightly fiddled with the suspension rates to stiffen it up for roads. I was pretty rusty on the first couple of laps, and I overdid the fuel-saving - still had 2.2 laps in the tank at the end. I could definitely run it a little faster. It was actually really nice to drive once I found it's sweet spot.
 
Tommy_D
So I gave this tune a test and I tied my 26:46 time on the first try. No clean race bonus as my braking points were all off and I bumped in to a couple cars in the first couple laps. Overall, it's much faster on the straights but boy is is slippery. The car sort of sways side to side in the back side of the track making it slide more than I am used to. I wonder if that is due to the really high suspension height. I haven't done much reading on praiano63's tunes, but this seems to be a common theme in his setups. The cars are really fast in a straight line but they corner like a battleship. Does the higher suspension aid in braking? It seems like the car wants to brake a bit faster with praiano's suspension settings.

Anyway, I did a no pit race on my time out. FM1 on the straight and FM6 on the back side. Finished the race on fumes with a bit of short shifting help. Tires were ~85% used up. I'm trying to make a few tweaks to the suspension and LSD to get the sway down and to help it pull through the turns a bit better. Fastest test lap is 2:05.833 on a dry track. I would like to find a couple more seconds on that number if I can.

Edit: Ugg 2:05.413 is the best I can string together. In theory I have a 2:04.8 lap in me, but that would require all my best splits. The car likes to slide through the turns and that will likely burn your tires out in 4 or 5 laps. Anyway, the only things I changed was to up the LSD on acceleration to 30/40. I also increased the LSD braking to 10/10. Front roll bar up to 10 which seemed to give more controllable slides, and decreased the camber to 1.2/1.2. This may or may not give a slight increase in contact patch when you are sliding around. Kind of hard to judge if the settings are making the car better or if I'm getting used to the car and driving it better on the same settings.

Edit 2: 26:28.178 with no pit stop. Tires were gone up front, finished on fumes again. Fastest in race lap time was 2:08.482. And I got the Clean Race Bonus. So definetly a HUGE improvement over the other tune I was using. Thanks @luv2drive for the setup.
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Those are nice times. My fastest lap with the setup was 2:06.8, but that could just be a skills issue. I'm interested to try your suspension tweaks to see if that will improve my time.

As I mentioned in my original post and @engrmariano also said, my experience is that one quick pit on lap 8 or 9 for new tires and just enough fuel to finish has proven to be faster for the race overall - you can drive on FM1 the whole time and you don't lose any time due to worn tires. The entire pit is only something like 15 seconds, much less than Spa or LeMans.

My fastest time is 26:25, and since it seems you're a bit faster than me, I'd bet with that strategy you might be able to get down to around 26:15. Curious if your setting changes will get me down into that range
 
luv2drive
Those are nice times. My fastest lap with the setup was 2:06.8, but that could just be a skills issue. I'm interested to try your suspension tweaks to see if that will improve my time.

As I mentioned in my original post and @engrmariano also said, my experience is that one quick pit on lap 8 or 9 for new tires and just enough fuel to finish has proven to be faster for the race overall - you can drive on FM1 the whole time and you don't lose any time due to worn tires. The entire pit is only something like 15 seconds, much less than Spa or LeMans.

My fastest time is 26:25, and since it seems you're a bit faster than me, I'd bet with that strategy you might be able to get down to around 26:15. Curious if your setting changes will get me down into that range
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The biggest thing I noticed was the LSD changes. I noticed I could accelerate way harder out of turns 1 and 2. When going up against my ghost It was quite apparent. It may only net a couple tenths on those turns but it all adds up.

I'll try a race tonight on FM1 the whole way and do a pit stop. If I can get fresh tires and keep my fuel weight down on those last 4-5 laps I may be able to run some 2:06's and lower the overall race time. Maybe I can get down to @engrmariano times.
 
Well, tried it with the pit stop. I think I went one lap too long on my tires and began losing time on lap 8 (high 2:10's), so I'm thinking an "end of lap 7" pit could lead to faster overall race times. So my best is now a 26:22.712 with a fastest lap of 2:05.213, which was faster than my test times last night. A 2:04 is definetly in the cards. I need to figure out a faster lap 1 strategy on the back side of the track as I'm still in the 2:30's on that lap. I would love to see a 2:29 lap to start the race. I may have to get more agressive on the run towards the hairpin to try and pass people on the brakes. That would get me ahead of Gallo much quicker and likely a faster lap 2. Those 2 things could cut another 4 or 5 seconds off the overall race. Add that to the earlier pit stop and I may gain another 3 there, so there is possibly another 7-8 seconds to shave off which would put me right with @engrmariano times.

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Edit: 26:15.363. There is still more time being left out there. Fastest lap was a 2:06.018 and I banged in to a bunch of walls significantly enough to necessitate a downshift to get back up to speed. No car damage but it did ruin several record laps I was on. There's at least 5 more seconds I could find if I keep pushing.

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TumeK5
Time for front tire killer 2.0!

I wanted to see if the Integra ('95) had what it takes, and it definitely does. A relatively easy win, similar pace as the Civic TC.

Recipe:
  • Buy all performance tunes, except suspension.
  • Sports hard tires.
  • Top speed to 270, adjust 5th gear to be a little bit shorter
  • Adjust downforce until you're sitting below 600PP
  • FM 3 for the race, and minimal tire saving; the tires will melt on lap 11, but you still have enough grip to make it to the end and win.
Have fun!​

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P.S. I also tried fitting sports mediums on the rear axle, but it didn't give me an advantage. On the contrary, I barely won that time around, since I had to shave off 1% off the computer to allow those tires to be fitted.
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I'm terrible at following instructions and ran this FM1, only arriving at Sports Hards after much trial and much more error. I tried the standard body first as well. Tire wear was noticeably worse than the widebody... for reasons:odd:.

No amount of verbal warning could prepare me for how badly this car eats tires.

Depending on gearing, wind direction and how much of a gorilla I was with my inputs, my fuel could last the whole race of FM1, but only barely. The Low RPM Turbo may have helped me with fuel saving too; compared to the Medium RPM one. But currently I've settled on the Medium RPM Turbo because I need the power. I feel this car should have a higher top speed than what I've been getting; power and weight considered. I have an Audi R8 with only max weight reduction and exhaust with around the same power, and it's heavier! But the Audi easily does 190mph down the main straight. I'm curious about what speeds a zero downforce Intrega build might achieve.

I suspect FM1 was also why I struggled badly with tire wear. I did a no-stop run after several tries, but just barely. The Integra is pretty good even driving on the rims for a full lap:lol:.

Ultimately, I fitted the racing suspension, did a Priano inspired tune (bless him) and went with a 1 stop strategy and shorter gears. The Integra corners nicely, albeit uniquely, for me now. It's in the lower middle tier of cars I've run this event with. A sub 27 minute run may be possible, even for me, but I need a break from it and front wheel drive cars in general:sly:.

The Case for Racing Suspension
The A.I. was over-braking into corners whenever near me (as usual) not because that's the fastest way, but moreso to slip their noses up the inside and push me off the racing line (and onto the wet line...) and kill my momentum.

The Integra is a peach of a car with the stock suspension, but after getting bullied by the A.I., I ran out of patience to listen to it and wait for the suspension to catch up with the corners. Every time I deal with the A.I. in an underpowered car, the twinge of shame I feel for using a heavily raked tune just evaporates. I wanted more front-end grip to offset the lackluster speed and need for a pitstop.

My best run
Total Time: 27:18.023
Best Lap: 2:11.058

Gallo and Kokubun run 2:10s once or twice in a race, because of course they do, and especially whenever I'm in a car that struggles with this event :lol:

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TumeK5
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That's how I learn; however inefficient :lol: I'm also terrible at saving tires and fuel, so I'm glad a one-stop was viable.

Thanks to you, I now have an Intrega that does 170+mph, wins this event comfortably, and has handling somewhere between prototype and touring car.

Worth it!
 
Tommy_D
Well, tried it with the pit stop. I think I went one lap too long on my tires and began losing time on lap 8 (high 2:10's), so I'm thinking an "end of lap 7" pit could lead to faster overall race times. So my best is now a 26:22.712 with a fastest lap of 2:05.213, which was faster than my test times last night. A 2:04 is definetly in the cards. I need to figure out a faster lap 1 strategy on the back side of the track as I'm still in the 2:30's on that lap. I would love to see a 2:29 lap to start the race. I may have to get more agressive on the run towards the hairpin to try and pass people on the brakes. That would get me ahead of Gallo much quicker and likely a faster lap 2. Those 2 things could cut another 4 or 5 seconds off the overall race. Add that to the earlier pit stop and I may gain another 3 there, so there is possibly another 7-8 seconds to shave off which would put me right with @engrmariano times.

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Edit: 26:15.363. There is still more time being left out there. Fastest lap was a 2:06.018 and I banged in to a bunch of walls significantly enough to necessitate a downshift to get back up to speed. No car damage but it did ruin several record laps I was on. There's at least 5 more seconds I could find if I keep pushing.

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Inspiring! I figured you’d get down to that range.

I tried one quick stint yesterday with the higher LSD accel settings and it was too much understeer for me. I think at this point it comes down to driving style and/or what your brain is used to. The only thing that’s going to improve my time is repetition.

And you read my mind. I was thinking to try pitting on lap 7 as well.
 
rheinaoi
That's how I learn; however inefficient :lol: I'm also terrible at saving tires and fuel, so I'm glad a one-stop was viable.

Thanks to you, I now have an Intrega that does 170+mph, wins this event comfortably, and has handling somewhere between prototype and touring car.

Worth it!
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My first new car was an Integra, so I’m going to have to give this a whirl.
 
luv2drive
Inspiring! I figured you’d get down to that range.

I tried one quick stint yesterday with the higher LSD accel settings and it was too much understeer for me. I think at this point it comes down to driving style and/or what your brain is used to. The only thing that’s going to improve my time is repetition.

And you read my mind. I was thinking to try pitting on lap 7 as well.
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I tend to take a slow in-fast out approach on turn 1 and 2 so I don't really notice any understeer with the higher LSD settings. Maybe thats just the whole driving style thing you are talking about. I'm also finding a short shift to 4th around that last left hander before the straight towards the hairpin gives you more overall speed. 2nd gear around the hairpin seems to also be faster than 1st as well.

Unless someone can come up with another tune that adds another 10mph down the straight, I think we are getting close to the max this car can do on this race. I don't think I will be able to hit a 26 minute flat in this car. Maybe a 26:10 or a touch quicker, but the majority of that time will be found on lap 1 if you can get around the AI without hitting them.
 
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26:09.655. Unfortunately no clean race bonus as I bumped in to the GTR on the second turn of the first lap. I've been trying to get a clean race bonus with a sub 22:10 for the past few hours and it's not happening. I got this time after a few tries, but every try after has been a failure. The AI keeps bumping in to you or blocking you from having a fast first lap. It's really hard to do on hard difficulty. Maybe it's easier if I were to turn down the difficulty, but I dont want to do that.

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Here is the video. Again a couple restarts that I couldnt figure out how to clip/remove. For some reason the video editor in the PS5 only lets you clip off the beginning or end of a video but nothing in the middle.
 
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I gave the swapped Z34 a run tonight, with a modified Praiano tune. It's an animal on the first couple of laps, but once you tame the tail it's pretty good fun. No-stop race, and an easy win.
 
TumeK5
Thanks to me? I'm not praiano :scared:
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You did not tune my car, true. However, your Integra post got me to pull the car out of my garage, drive it hard and tune it to fit my gorilla-handed driving style. Solving that problem was massively entertaining.

If not for your Integra post, I wouldn't have experienced for myself how awesome this tire destroyer could be :D .
 
rheinaoi
You did not tune my car, true. However, your Integra post got me to pull the car out of my garage, drive it hard and tune it to fit my gorilla-handed driving style. Solving that problem was massively entertaining.

If not for your Integra post, I wouldn't have experienced for myself how awesome this tire destroyer could be :D .
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I'll have to give my ITR a shot as well. It will be fun beating all those AI's in a stupid Fast and Furious livery ITR. Look out every one, Mia Toretto is here to kick some ass.
 
MidnightRun85
I gave the swapped Z34 a run tonight, with a modified Praiano tune. It's an animal on the first couple of laps, but once you tame the tail it's pretty good fun. No-stop race, and an easy win.
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i just did with no suspension upgrade and weight reduction, i’m faster by seconds on my previous no weight reduction with racing suspension.
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Tommy_D
26:09.655. Unfortunately no clean race bonus as I bumped in to the GTR on the second turn of the first lap. I've been trying to get a clean race bonus with a sub 22:10 for the past few hours and it's not happening. I got this time after a few tries, but every try after has been a failure. The AI keeps bumping in to you or blocking you from having a fast first lap. It's really hard to do on hard difficulty. Maybe it's easier if I were to turn down the difficulty, but I dont want to do that.

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Here is the video. Again a couple restarts that I couldnt figure out how to clip/remove. For some reason the video editor in the PS5 only lets you clip off the beginning or end of a video but nothing in the middle.
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I wanted to give this go and did several runs. I forgot how fast the Celica rally car was in a straight line and had to relearn my braking marks. What a silly (amazing) car.

I believe I can get a sub 26 minute run, but lapped A.I. are a problem (I run normal difficulty).

My best run had potential to be sub 26 minutes, but I bungled an upshift coming out of the pits. And then on the last lap, the lapped A.I. Haywood t-boned me at the hairpin, reminding me that the A.I. at this event deserve zero mercy.

I get the feeling that extracting those last two seconds from the Celica will require a bunch of extra track work and time in the garage. Fun challenge.

Best Time: 26:02.336
Fastest Lap: 2:04.724

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rheinaoi
I wanted to give this go and did several runs. I forgot how fast the Celica rally car was in a straight line and had to relearn my braking marks. What a silly (amazing) car.

I believe I can get a sub 26 minute run, but lapped A.I. are a problem (I run normal difficulty).

My best run had potential to be sub 26 minutes, but I bungled an upshift coming out of the pits. And then on the last lap, the lapped A.I. Haywood t-boned me at the hairpin, reminding me that the A.I. at this event deserve zero mercy.

I get the feeling that extracting those last two seconds from the Celica will require a bunch of extra track work and time in the garage. Fun challenge.

Best Time: 26:02.336
Fastest Lap: 2:04.724

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Wow, nice race you had there. Sub 26 would be really impressive without any wall riding. I tried doing this race again tonight as part of my daily grind, but with the new tune Im having the hardest time keeping myself from going balls to the wall with the car. I keep running into the AI or they run in to me. Clean Race bonus keeps getting taken away, so I restart, and restart, and restart, and restart. It got so frustrating that I just gave up and ran Lemans and am now grinding Sardegna with the classic Gr.1 cars. Holy cow are they quick.

I may need to take a break from this race for a week as I must be getting too burnt out on it and am making too many mistakes. Plus I need to find a new car to do it in. @engrmariano has given plenty of examples for me to choose from, so I'm grateful for that.
 
rheinaoi
I wanted to give this go and did several runs. I forgot how fast the Celica rally car was in a straight line and had to relearn my braking marks. What a silly (amazing) car.

I believe I can get a sub 26 minute run, but lapped A.I. are a problem (I run normal difficulty).

My best run had potential to be sub 26 minutes, but I bungled an upshift coming out of the pits. And then on the last lap, the lapped A.I. Haywood t-boned me at the hairpin, reminding me that the A.I. at this event deserve zero mercy.

I get the feeling that extracting those last two seconds from the Celica will require a bunch of extra track work and time in the garage. Fun challenge.

Best Time: 26:02.336
Fastest Lap: 2:04.724

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Wow, that's a great time! I still can't get under 26:20. Not sure if that's the tune or the driver, but I'm assuming the latter :)
 
luv2drive
Wow, that's a great time! I still can't get under 26:20. Not sure if that's the tune or the driver, but I'm assuming the latter :)
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Thanks! Don't doubt the tune though. Track knowledge and execution are crucial of course, but tuning makes the job of driving easier.

As I tune cars, it gets easier for me see what the limits are and then push. And then there's times when I go flat out, feel there's nothing left in me or the car, then tweak the gearbox and suddenly, I've found an extra second in the lap. Tuning and track time go hand in hand for this event in general.
 
rheinaoi
Thanks! Don't doubt the tune though. Track knowledge and execution are crucial of course, but tuning makes the job of driving easier.

As I tune cars, it gets easier for me see what the limits are and then push. And then there's times when I go flat out, feel there's nothing left in me or the car, then tweak the gearbox and suddenly, I've found an extra second in the lap. Tuning and track time go hand in hand for this event in general.
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Totally agree. That's why I said I assume the latter. My delta is about a second a lap to what I would consider a very good time, and that's easy to lose if you're not completely spot on with your driving.
 
engrmariano
Imprez ‘99
26:19
2:05
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Hey, I'm curious about your aero and if you have a wide body on this car. I've installed everything else and I'm sitting at 632pp. I'm thinking your aero is bringing down the pp count. Also, is your transmission just set to 350 and thats it or have you done adjustments to the individual gears?

Thanks
 
Tommy_D
Hey, I'm curious about your aero and if you have a wide body on this car. I've installed everything else and I'm sitting at 632pp. I'm thinking your aero is bringing down the pp count. Also, is your transmission just set to 350 and thats it or have you done adjustments to the individual gears?

Thanks
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i forgot to put in the video but it’s on the description. you need wide body and big wide wheels. the trany is just set to 350, no more fine adjustments.
 

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