The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

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mynameis66
Do you have a tune or list of parts added?
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There you go, and for everyone else. Created a fresh (added) sheet to make this. Added power adder parts first, then tune suspension.
 

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The_It_Jojo
So, no skipping reviews today, and I've got two very interesting cars:

Lamborghini Countach 25th anniversary: the king is dead, long live the king
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Yes, that's me wheeling right there, the reason being this car is crazy fast and doesn't have lots of front downforce. So, how exactly "crazy fast" I'm talking about here? Well, something something 328 km/h without the slipstream and this car would have more to come with a longer straight kind of crazy fast. This is, thus far, the absolutely fastest car I've tried in terms of raw top speed, and the power also manifests in terms of acceleration; though, admittedly, it checks out since this car has 608 horsepower under the hood, so no surprises there.
The surprise comes with the handling, which is nearly perfect with this car: maybe slightly understeery, but that's nothing too important + the car also has tons of grip, except in second gear but that's to be expected with that much power. So, yeah, amazing also here.
As I already mentioned, acceleration is incredible on every gear (the car has 5 gears btw), and brakes, well, you need to break a bit earlier than normal, but for a car that can go to almost 330 km/h it could have been much worse, I'm overall extremely surprised.

Economy wise... well, the car doesn't lose grip so tyres are good, fuel... I had to refuel at the end of lap 6 with FM1 and no short shifting. You can run easily a one stopper, but... well, fuel economy is far from being amazing, that's for sure. No loss of performance overall though.

And now we come to the absolutely strongest point of this car, the lap times: 2:07.1. Yes, this car is more than two seconds faster per lap than the fastest cars I've tried thus far, and I'm confident I could even hit 2:06s if I were to grind it a bit more. There isn't going to be a car beating that lap time any time soon, I can tell you that much.

Final thoughts: this car may not be the best for grinding due to fuel economy, but with an overall time of 26:40, this car is amazing.

Nissan 300 ZX twin turbo: a bootleg Countach, basically
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Well, I expected something better from this car, but in the end I was slightly disappointed.
So, first of all, let's start from top speed: this car, like to Countach, tops at 328 km/h, but there's a catch: it overrevs like crazy, the gearing is not nearly as good as the Lambo's for this track, and it can't go any faster than that without slipstream, that's for sure.
Handling wise... oh boy, this car is bad: no understeer, this car likes to do the opposite, aka oversteer and wheelspin like crazy. And I can tell you, it's not fun, especially on tyres, but I'll get to them later.
Brakes are a hot pile of garbage, and acceleration, as expected from a turbocharged car, is... not good. The car takes some time to get up to speed, and while it eventually does, it has the classic turbo lag problems every turbocharged car from the 90s has.

Economy wise, this car is just bad: need to fuel save just to go on a one stop strategy, tyres that wear out fast because no traction, this car is just a nightmare in terms of economy overall. Be prepared to have lots of patience with it.

Lap times wise, I was expecting something better also here, though this car is still fast: 2:08.9 is still faster than everything but the Lambo. However, this car is far from being consistent in its performance, so expect your lap times to drop once you are close to the end of your stint.

Final thoughts: yeeeeeaaaahhhh this car is not one I'd recommend. Yes it's fast, but it's also inconsistent and painful to manage, not something I like to have in my car :/

As always, thanks for reading my ramblings, for tomorrow I have planned some stuff I'm interested to try out. If you have any request, feel free to leave it in this thread (no legendary dealership requests, though, it's hard/nearly impossible for me to fulfill them), I will try that car out and do my best with it. Stay safe everybody, and I'll see you tomorrow ^_^
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I like the look of the countach,do you have a tune or settings for it? 👍
 
mynameis66
I like the look of the countach,do you have a tune or settings for it? 👍
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Wide body, front splitter, side skirts and rear wing a for aero, then custom ecu, racing exhaust, racing air filter, racing manifold and engine balance tuning for the power, you'll need to reduce the ecu to 99% power if you are planning to use mediums though, which is what I use on every car.

Also, wide and large rims is something I always put on the car since apparently they make it slightly faster.

And that's pretty much it.
 
Pizzapants
Here is the run I made today, 24:33, fastest lap 1:57.2
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Finally managed to crack the sub 2 mins(1:58 FL) on my 2nd attempt with the 2J, but got quite a few penalties doing so :lol:
Still coming to grips(pun intended) with the 2J's twitchy handling, but powersliding through the bends with the throttle mashed is too much fun:lol:. Or if done right with delicate inputs, you can really push some crazy speeds through the bends too.
Also managed to get a 358km/h(360 possible with slipstream) at the end of the straight too, and I think this is the fastest car(R.I.P Tomahawk) on this course now in terms of max speed.
 
Tried the Supra 2 or 3 times but not really getting on with it,im going to try using sport mediums,obviously have to drop power a tad but see how it goes.Also is it just me or does the supra sound really quiet even with a race exhaust compared to other cars?Bear in mind i suffer with tinitus so it may be my ears that are at fault. :lol:
 
mynameis66
Tried the Supra 2 or 3 times but not really getting on with it,im going to try using sport mediums,obviously have to drop power a tad but see how it goes.Also is it just me or does the supra sound really quiet even with a race exhaust compared to other cars?Bear in mind i suffer with tinitus so it may be my ears that are at fault. :lol:
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The A70, A80 or A90?
 
mynameis66
Tried the Supra 2 or 3 times but not really getting on with it,im going to try using sport mediums,obviously have to drop power a tad but see how it goes.Also is it just me or does the supra sound really quiet even with a race exhaust compared to other cars?Bear in mind i suffer with tinitus so it may be my ears that are at fault. :lol:
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It's a handful for sure, especially once the tyre wear sets in. But I'm a bit of a masochist so I've been trying cars I haven't really seen successful. To a bit of rage induced performances if I'm honest haha. The thrill of the chase
 
jrbalazo
It's a handful for sure, especially once the tyre wear sets in. But I'm a bit of a masochist so I've been trying cars I haven't really seen successful. To a bit of rage induced performances if I'm honest haha. The thrill of the chase
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But this is the right way to do it imo, trying to get the max out of a competitive car, i should do that more often
 
Dodge Challenger R/T '70 >>> Fastest lap 2:10.714 (Sport Hard)

"Primitive" is an understatement when describing this car. Even among its peers, it seems to have the worst chassis. So the only feasible solution is brute force, low weight and as much downforce as you can add without making it oversteer at high speed.

Bringing a warhammer to a katana duel doesn't always end well, but, at 587 bhp (and even more if you want to), it's still one of the most powerful cars you can bring to the event, with ridiculous acceleration. You'll need a gentle foot/finger, especially after the rear tires go, and a bit of heavyhanding, but, if you can master its tank-like traits, it's a capable car.
 
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I enjoy this race with less modifications on each cars .. my target is more stock possible ... or less powered (edit) ..

i suggest detuned Enzo and huayra :dopey:

IR
 
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Meythia
Isnt that already not stock anymore? :D

If as much as possible, I only look for cars that are lower than the PP limit, then add sports hard and throw them around for (most stock driving).
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I'd recommend the Corvette C7 then, it needs just aero, sport mediums and a widebody.
 
Missed a bunch of reviews because of uni, I now have two cars I was quite underwhelmed by:

Ford Shelby GT350: waste of money
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First thing to notice, this isn't a race pic but a scapes pic: this car was so bad to drive that I just wanted to exit the race and not even look at the replay, and I didn't want to drive it again just to take a race pic.
The problems with this car start with its performance: bad top speed, topping at just 280 km/h, which is less than pretty much 90% of this list of cars I've tried. It also has a not impressive handling, being understeery with a loose tail. Of course, you could correct that by going more slowly, but that means this car is just not worth using. It also has sports brakes by default, so, at least that is good, I guess?

Economy wise... boy, it's seriously bad. Every car on this list could go more than half the race on FM1 and do a one stopper. Here if you want to do a one stopper, you can't use FM1, it's that bad with fuel. As for tyres, it's also bad here with tyre wear, lasting, you guessed it, only half a race before starting to have a drop in performance. It also has another downside: it seriously suffers from tyre wear, even the smallest slice of red on the rear tyres means you will have to start being gentle with the throttle.

Lap times wise, 2.13.0. Quite slow if I may say, compared to the other entries. It was so slow that even the ai refused to rubberband, and that's something.

Final thoughts: there are better Fords to use for this race. Or literally any other car, really.

Porsche 911 GT3 (997): this car got screwed by the pp system
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As the title says, the pp system is what screws over this car the most: it felt like driving a 550pp car rather than a 600 on this track, and it's also the first car I had to detune: with all aero on, widebody and sport mediums, this car goes on hitting 625pp, so I had to nerf it by quite a bit in order to fit in the pp regulation.
Performance wise, this car is ok but could be way better - top speed of 290 km/h, which is still more than the Shelby despite having 200 horsepower less, a very good handling which is limited by the lack of grip and the fact the current physics screw over by a lot MR and RR cars, so while it has a good handling, it can't fully achieve it because lack of grip. Also acceleration is pretty bad, but that was to be expected by a 360 hp car.

Economy wise, well, it's good: for fuel I had to pit at the end of lap 9, and while I noticed a pretty big steep in performance due to tyre wear, the car was still drivable. Overall, positively impressed, but I wish the rear had a bit more grip so it would reduce tyre wear.

Hotlapping wise, that's a 2:12.5, which isn't amazing by any means, though, again, this car got screwed over by the pp system, and pretty badly too.

Final thoughts: could be way better, but sadly it isn't. Yet more faults of the pp system, but it is what it is.

As always, thank you for reading my reviews, and if you have any request, feel free to ask, I will do my best to try them out as best as I can (no LCD requests, though, unless the car is available at the moment and I have the money to buy it). Thank you for reading and see you next time.
 
Done this three times today.

BNR32, BNR34 and the 25th Anni Countach.

Dont think it's as hard as the title suggests but it has a good level of challenge, payout and variety to keep it interesting and worthwhile repeating with different cars - kinda like what the OP has done in this thread.
 
Won the LS7 as an engine swap as well, And absolutly love it in the S13!!! I read a lot of complaints before about how undrivable it should be, But i tried it on SH and fully customizable suspension and it handles actually quite well. A bit tailhappy as expected, But you can correct it very well without hitting the wall. Fuel consumption is also much better then expected.
 
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Being a very average driver, I've been finding hard to achieve those times. So I kept this race away from my limited grinding.

But had to try the Escudo. I had little expectations because of the fuel and tire comsuption, as I expected it to be a fuel sucker and a tire burner.

Apart from ECU and Power Restrictor to 70% both and maxed 200kg ballast, had to put Sports Hard and fiddle a little with ride height and wings to get under 600pp.

But, to my surprise, the car as AMAZING balance and grip, both with moist and dry track, with the downside being the poor top speed, even if nerfed to the max, still has 522 hp to just 1000 kg, there is too much drag from those enormeous wing and splitter, you would only get about 160 mph without a tow of another car. Still you will gain so much on the rest of the track, specially on corners 1 and 2 and the last hairpin, after you adjust your gas to the significant turbo lag, specially on the last hairpin, you have to smash the thottle midway to the exit just to have the power when you are straight. But the best part, contrary to my expectations, was the fuel consuption, as it run all race without stopping, it has great gas mileage, just had to switch to FM2 and FM3 on the last 3/4 laps, as I would be 0.4-0.5 laps short if I kept the dry pace on FM1. Won easily despite a 5 sec penalty, which is remarkable for my driving.
 
pedrocor
Being a very average driver, I've been finding hard to achieve those times. So I kept this race away from my limited grinding.

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If you manage with that car, you should be able to manage with alot of other cars just as well.
The 600PP Escudo is on the bad side of contenders in my opinion.
 
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pedrocor
Being a very average driver, I've been finding hard to achieve those times. So I kept this race away from my limited grinding.

But had to try the Escudo. I had little expectations because of the fuel and tire comsuption, as I expected it to be a fuel sucker and a tire burner.

Apart from ECU and Power Restrictor to 70% both and maxed 200kg ballast, had to put Sports Hard and fiddle a little with ride height and wings to get under 600pp.

But, to my surprise, the car as AMAZING balance and grip, both with moist and dry track, with the downside being the poor top speed, even if nerfed to the max, still has 522 hp to just 1000 kg, there is too much drag from those enormeous wing and splitter, you would only get about 160 mph without a tow of another car. Still you will gain so much on the rest of the track, specially on corners 1 and 2 and the last hairpin, after you adjust your gas to the significant turbo lag, specially on the last hairpin, you have to smash the thottle midway to the exit just to have the power when you are straight. But the best part, contrary to my expectations, was the fuel consuption, as it run all race without stopping, it has great gas mileage, just had to switch to FM2 and FM3 on the last 3/4 laps, as I would be 0.4-0.5 laps short if I kept the dry pace on FM1. Won easily despite a 5 sec penalty, which is remarkable for my driving.
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I too found this surprisingly balanced to drive,i went with comfort mediums as that dropped the pp so was able to bump up the hp to 833 and top speed at a shade over 180 coming out of the tunnel.The CM dont have the same grip as the SH but enough to keep ahead of the others.
The downside being that i pitted at the end of lap 8 as the tyres werent good and i needed a quick splash and dash,but still won by 18 sec.Not to bad a race except you cant really short shift as it goes off boost.lol
 
The_It_Jojo
A bit of a premise: since we're going to have 1.14 pretty soon, I thought I'd try my hand on this event without a pp exploit since I'm guessing PD will patch it in the upcoming update, but I've soon found out this race is a somewhat though nut to crack, for multiple reasons, the first being: this is a drying track. As S-10 taught, those conditions are extremely sketchy to race on, and on a track like this with fast corners (turns 3 and 4 come to mind) you can be sure that once one of your wheels slightly grazes the water, you either meet Barry R or miss him by a few millimeters. So, if you make a mistake, this track punishes you for it. Positive note, at least the track won't worsen the more time goes on.
Second, if you do meet Barry R, getting a 5 seconds penalty that can ruin your race is something you need to be careful of, especially once your tires start to wear out in the last bits of the race, or you need to overtake an ai in this narrow street circuit. I legit had to restart more than once because said penalties ruined my race, and I can tell you, throwing 20 minutes of my time out of the window was not fun. You can still win the race if you get one penalty, but you're going to have lots of traffic to deal with.
Third, unlike the WTC 800 or 700, in which the ai uses cars you can easily outpace (for example, by detuning respectively a gr.2 or gr.3 car), here your car's performance will be roughly the same as the ai's, which makes this race the most skill based imo out of all the three grind options available as of 1.13 (again, unless you are using a pp exploit, in which case this race is a cakewalk). In my case, I tuned up a widebody Corvette C7 that was sitting in my garage unused, and it turned out to be a fast car indeed for the event, but the ai was able to keep up with my pace without major problems, which was surprising to say the least. Obviously you can still overtake it easily in some spots, f.e outbreaking it on turn 1, 5, and on the last corner (turn 13 iirc) + everywhere else on the track whenever you can, but it does have pace here.
Fourth, car selection: I would usually win easily these WTC 600 events with my RCZ gr.3 road car because of its far superior handling, but on this track, handling doesn't really matter if your car if 40 km/h slower than the ai on that massive straight per lap, so I had to resort to something else, and the Corvette mentioned above was the right car for the job. Some other cars I think would be good for this race could be the Audi TTS or the Mercedes 45 AMG, but I've yet to try them (or any other 4wd car for the matter, you can never get enough grip on this track in these wet conditions).
So, yeah, overall I'd recommend everyone to give this race a try without pp exploit at least once before update 1.14, you are going to have a fun half an hour of racing and you can also prepare yourself for when the exploit will be patched to grind money on this track, hope this post was useful for some people ^_^
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The_It_Jojo
BAC MONO is perfect, intermediate tyres, power set 1 and just 1 pit. The event last about 27 minutes and win 8-10 seconds advantage.
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mynameis66
I too found this surprisingly balanced to drive,i went with comfort mediums as that dropped the pp so was able to bump up the hp to 833 and top speed at a shade over 180 coming out of the tunnel.The CM dont have the same grip as the SH but enough to keep ahead of the others.
The downside being that i pitted at the end of lap 8 as the tyres werent good and i needed a quick splash and dash,but still won by 18 sec.Not to bad a race except you cant really short shift as it goes off boost.lol
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The IA pace is very variable in this game, so the final margin means next to nothing.
That said I won by 21.2 seconds, without pitting, for a total time of 27:28.6 on hard difficulty and a best lap of 2:14ish.
Only thing is that I started with default 45:55 default power distribution and changed to 40:60 when the track was generally dry.

EDIT: Second try today, changed nothing, just a little more confident on the car and on the safe side to avoid any penalty. FM1 first 5 laps, got a 2:13.925 on the fifth, then put FM2 and torque distribution 40:60 until the end, every lap until the end between 2:15.2 and 2:15.6, as I didn't get any slipstream by then. Shaved 9 second on my previous time, mostly because I didn't get any penalty.
 
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Holy Jesus ... Mazda RX-7 Spirit R '02 re-engined with R26B-787B and full aero kits,
when detuned to 600 PP can finish this race in 27'10" (not amazing)

... whole journey on Fuel Map 1 with 52% fuel remaining at the end 😲
 
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