The WTC 600 in Tokyo done without exploits is genuinely one of the hardest races in single player in gt7 - share your setups, tips, and cars

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Anyway, time for three reviews this time, and they are going to be very interesting:

Lancia Stratos: a surprise, to be sure, but a welcomed one

Requested by @Meythia, this car was genuinely a nice surprise, and also not one I was expecting to begin with.
This car is legit fast - 294 km/h of top speed is impressive, especially considering it's the least powerful car I've tried thus far; however, because of its low weight, this car can do a pull so strong to drag race the GT-R and beat it, which is impressive to say the least - pleasantly surprised by this performance. Then we go to the handling, and here we see the first weak point of the car: since it's a short wheelbase MR car, it likes to slide. A lot. You are going to have to countersteer and correct your line quite a lot with the current sets of physics, and it takes a lot of time to get used to it - though once you become used to it, you are going to have fun. It's still not fast though. Last note, you need to break early - those are 1971 brakes, after all, so it should come to no surprise.

Economy wise, there is an extremely strong point and a weak one, and I'll start from the latter: tyre wear. This Lancia really eats its rear tyres like an American eats Big Macs (sorry Americans, but stereotypes about you are funny), so you will have to pit for tyres rather than fuel for this one, if you are on mediums.
However, fuel consumption is this car's strong point: you can run the whole race at FM1 and not have to refuel at all, that's how little fuel this car uses.
That means that if you go on hards and save them a bit, you can run a no stopper with ridiculous easiness and just smooth sail to victory.

Lap times wise, I have to do a premise: I didn't really do lots of justice to this car, I could have gone faster maybe even by half a second. Premise aside, the best I was able to achieve was a 2:12.5, which is eh. As I said in the premise, I could have gone faster with more practice, but this car is hard to nail down, especially for its tricky behaviour. Still, I could have been faster.

Final thoughts: surprised about how fast this car is, I wasn't expecting it. Still, it's slidy af and if you are not careful enough, you are going to have a bad time driving this car.

Lancer Evo VI T.M. edition: fast but understeery

Well, this explains a lot, especially in regards to how the 22B outperforms the 2014 WRX in the hands of the ai.
So, first of all, this car is fast in acceleration with a top speed of almost 300 km/h, which means as soon as you are hitting a straight, you are going to be fast very soon. Only problem is, this car naturally understeers, even more so as soon as you get on the power - this will just make the car understeer more. At least the brakes are good.

Economy wise, this car's good - very small tyre consumption, and fuel lasts easily for 8 laps without problems, so you can just push for the whole duration of the race without many problems across your head.

Lap times wise, it's also good here - 2:11.3 is genuinely surprising for this car, and it's not something slow either. Overall, it's in the mid-high range of lap times.

Final thoughts: granted, it's not the fastest car around, but it's not bad either. Just, keep the understeer under control and you'll be good.

Honda S2000: speed and handling

Well, well, well, ain't this a nice car to drive? Top speed of 300 km/h with a very good acceleration is not bad but nothing egregious either, but still, it's very nice on the straight. The best part comes with the handling though, which is by far the best I've ever found: you can just steer and have the car turn without problems at (almost) any speed. Seriously, the handling is so good it's almost illegal. You also have good, if not slightly average, brakes to top it off.

Economy wise, car's good on tyres, you won't have any problem regarding them, and regarding fuel it easily lasts for 8 laps, though you may need to fuel save a slight bit in the first stint. Overall though, this car is good.

Lap times wise, we have another entry to the 2:09 club with a lap time of 2:09.9, though admittedly that's mostly because of its very good handling. On another track it would be even faster and more competitive, as long as massive straights are not involved.

Final thoughts: I genuinely had a fun time driving this car, overall recommended for pretty much everything for how good it is.

As literally every single time I wrote those reviews, thank you very much for reading them, and if you have any request, feel free to ask here or shoot me a DM, I'm always open to try new entries. Stay safe out there, and I'll see you all tomorrow.
 
Anyway, time for three reviews this time, and they are going to be very interesting:I genuinely had a fun time driving this car, overall recommended for pretty much everything for how good it is.

As literally every single time I wrote those reviews, thank you very much for reading them, and if you have any request, feel free to ask here or shoot me a DM, I'm always open to try new entries. Stay safe out there, and I'll see you all tomorrow.
Did you use widebody?

Made a test about this with 4 types of identical cars with
blue = wide body wide rim
red = wide body
white = no change

After 1 h with pitting in which each type of car started as a pack of 3, the AI resulted in this - white without wide body was falling back, time difference blue and white per lap was around 5 seconds.
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There was a slight difference in fuel consumption in favor to the white cars, which sometimes delayed the AI pitting by 1 lap though it was barely visible on the fuel indicator, but much more important was the difference in tyre wear.
Red and blue are identical, white is always worse than the others, but it in some cases the difference is not as big (Focus was barely different, Civic was vastly different)
 
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Did you use widebody?
Yeah, I put widebody on all cars as a rule of thumb, so I'd get similar results across the board.

Two other rules I gave myself were, always sport mediums and no getting to 600pp via setups unless it's strictly necessary.
 
The cars I use to farm tokyo wtc 600:

Mclaren f1
Chaparal 2j (exploit)
Porsche carrera gt
Porsche 911 gt3 '01
Porsche 911 gt3 '09
Nissan gtr '17
Nissan gtr nismo
Nissan r32 gtr
Honda nsx '17
Honda nsx '02
Ferrari f50
Ferrari enzo
Ferrari 456
Ferrari f430
Ferrari Testarossa
Lamborghini diablo
Lamborghini countach 25th
Lamborghini Huracan
Lamborghini murcielago
Lamborghini aventador
Lamborghini aventador lp
Mercedes slr mclaren
Bugatti veyron
Audi r8
Dodge viper srt10
Tvr tuscan
Ford mustang boss 429
Ford gt '06
Chevrolet corvette c7 '14
Chevrolet corvette c6 '09
Aston martin dp100 vgt
 
Yeah, I put widebody on all cars as a rule of thumb, so I'd get similar results across the board.

Two other rules I gave myself were, always sport mediums and no getting to 600pp via setups unless it's strictly necessary.
Okay this just blew my brain lol, didn't realise widebody would count for so much. That said my widebody 930 Porsche still sucks so I guess that RR deficit hits bad in GT.

None of my successful attempts have widebody. But I willingly upgraded to widebody on one car anyway, said Porsche.
 
Well then, now that I have more time in my hands, I have three more reviews ready, and some very interesting ones too:

13B swapped Mazda Miata: Miata is the question and the answer is yes!

Well, due to recent "events", I've been able to get some engines, and one of the first I've tried was a rotary swapped Miata, because:
a) Miata is love, Miata is life;
b) I love rotaries.
So, what does this entice? How does this car drive? Handling wise, well, it's light, so it does turn very, very well, but it also has a very happy tail: the rear tyres weren't made to handle 470hp and the short wheelbase doesn't help, along with the standard suspensions: they are extremely soft, especially as you can see in the image where the rear of the car is way lower than the front. Still, handling is nice, especially if you keep the rear under control.
Top speed wise, how does 320 km/h sound? In my book, that's a very good top speed, I'm not going to lie, especially on a Miata, though you'll need a customizable transmission to hit said speed, the stock one was not meant to reach it lol. Acceleration is, well, going to be tied with a massive amount of wheelspin, especially in second gear, so you either choose between full power and low control or high control but low power (aka, turn on TCS). Brakes are also, uh, how do I say it... originally they weren't intended to slow down this Miata from such high speeds, so, brake early unless you want to kiss the walls' concrete. If you are into that, well, I'm not going to kinkshame you, but that's a weird fetish.

Economy wise, that's a mixed bag: very good on fuel since it's going to last until the end of lap 9 (when Gallo ai does its second stop), despite the huge amount of power and the turbo, which is very nice. Tyres wise... yeah... this car does not treat them well since it likes to oversteer, expect them to be not in the greatest shape once you are at the end of your stint.

And now, what lap times can this Miata achieve? Is it fast, or is it just an overhyped car for JDM fanboys? Well, this car is able to do 2:09.6s with ease, so, it's a really fast car, you can't go wrong with it. Admittedly, I didn't expect it at first to be able to get in the 2:09 club, but here we are, such a pleasant surprise.

Final thoughts: if you have a 13b engine, put it in a Miata, you are not going to regret it. Lots of fun.

Genesis G70 3.3T: a very enjoyable car

Well, this was a surprise, I didn't expect a luxury sedan to be this good when tuned. Top speed is nothing impressive with 290 km/h, but everything else? Boy this is a good car. First of all, handling wise it's very precise without understeer nor oversteer; plus, it turns really well, so you are going to get a stupidly high amount of time in the technical section of the track. Brakes also are too good to be true, you will be able to outbreak the whole field even if you are on harder tyres than them. Last but not least, acceleration is very good, with zero wheelspin whatsoever. This is a very, very nice car, the perfect training wheel imo performance wise.

Economy wise, fuel lasts for 8 laps, and tyres are far from being a problem, so, very good on this front too. One thing I have to add, though, I didn't put an aftermarket turbo on it, so if you do, expect an higher fuel consumption. And maybe some more wheelspin.

Lap times are also very good, despite the low top speed: 2:10.4 is the best I was able to achieve. This car was overall very nice, but not that funny to drive overall, it felt a bit... boring.

Final thought: nice car, perfect training wheel, though it lacks character, it's... a bit boring to drive.

2JZ swapped 2021 Subaru BRZ: it's a 2JZ, what did you expect?

So, it was time for me to test the new rebadged Toyota 86 Subaru BRZ, and since I could engine swap it and I have, well, "a few" engines lying around, I thought I'd give it a try, and it's pretty fun, ngl.

First of all, this car is a missile on the straight with a top speed of 318 km/h. I could get an higher top speed, but I'm too lazy to mess with the gearing to achieve that. Still, that really says how good the 2JZ as an engine is when it comes to power, and that's also being shown handling wise: this car has a very happy tail, even more than the 13B swapped Miata, this car's torque is massive which means, you need good throttle control. That, or have TCS (and potentially even ESP) on, though I'd rather avoid that since it makes me slower. Happy tails aside, this car's handling is very good, it's still a rebadged 86 BRZ after all, so it keeps its pretty good natural handling. It has the same acceleration problems as the swapped Miata, though it's better overall because it has more power. The brakes on this car too were not conceived to handle over 500hp, so, again, brake early with this car, you are going to need it.

Economy wise... not good on tyres nor fuel. Fuel only lasts for 6 laps, just enough to have a 1 stopper, and since it's a 2JZ, do not expect to have that much power being delivered to the rear tyres gently. You are really going to suffer from it, unless you are extremely precise with accelerator and throttle.

Lap times wise, 2:08.7 is a good lap time, I'm not going to lie. I wasn't expecting this car to break the 2:09 wall, at best I was expecting it to hit 2:09s. Nicely surprised from it, though I still wish it was better economy wise.

Final thoughts: this car is fast, but it also requires experience, you can't just go and hope for the best. If you can tame it, though, you are going to have a fun time.

Thank you once again for reading my reviews, if you have any request feel free to ask here or in my DMs, and especially now that, uh, I have some engines lying around for engine swaps, I can try even more cars than before. Stay safe out there, and I hope to you all good health. Peace ✌️
 
Okay this just blew my brain lol, didn't realise widebody would count for so much. That said my widebody 930 Porsche still sucks so I guess that RR deficit hits bad in GT.

None of my successful attempts have widebody. But I willingly upgraded to widebody on one car anyway, said Porsche.
Yeah, Porsches really suffer from having a high number of pp while not being exactly the fastest at the same time, that's something I've noticed when testing the 995 and the 997.
 
@The_It_Jojo

So let me second @Sunzi :
Would you mind sharing your SwapMiata setup ? I tried the exact same thing today but I didn't get nowhere near 2.09 laps - best
laps were 2.14 which was good enough for a fourth place in a 1 stop race.
 
What I went for with these cars is power and weight, since I've noticed something: going for setups with the suspensions and diff usually increases the pp by relatively a lot, but corresponding increase in performance usually means that it's not worth the investment overall - aka, too much pp increase for not enough increase in track performance, so I went for the most part with power or weight upgrades.

Sometimes I go to custom transmissions since otherwise the car would rev up too soon, but that's the extent of the changes I do setup wise - the rest is not as worth as power/weight upgrades imo.
 
New to the post, sorry if i say something that already done by others.
I would recommend trying the Mazda Atenza Gr.4 for this race. it's not the fastest answer (obviously far from a220 & 2j exploits) but a very comfortable & stable one, and one won't have to rely on assists to drive it. it doesn't need exploit'ive tunning and it's a safe 4wd legit racecar which just cruise by all the long switching curves of the track.
Sport Hard tires, High rev turbo, some common tweaks and u would safely stand under 600pp. So it would be 550ps & 1380kg. I use the lowest susp height to minimize drag.
fuel map 1 all the way, don't have to preseve the tires or the fuel, don't have to pit for anything, push as much as u like it, get stable 2:12 low all the way down, finish the race just under 27 minutes. Top speed on the straight would be 295-298kph(depending on varying fuel levels), enough for slipstreaming other AI cars.
I think geniuely many Gr.4 cars are suitable for this race, they have bigger tanks than road cars so many of them don't need pitting and they come with just adquate amount of downforce to run through the high speed corners.
 
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Nice man. I will try these but I reckon it's just a case of you being better/quicker than me as I put in laps that feel really quick but aren't matching 2:10 or below.

My set ups have similar sort of stats (sometimes lower than yours) but I do favour handling over outright power. I will try some of your more basic and reversible (no Bore Up, Polishing, Stroke Up etc) tunes to see if I can improve my times.

Thanks for pics and breakdown.
 
New to the post, sorry if i say something that already done by others.
I would recommend trying the Mazda Atenza Gr.4 for this race. it's not the fastest answer (obviously far from a220 & 2j exploits) but a very comfortable & stable one, and one won't have to rely on assists to drive it. it doesn't need exploit'ive tunning and it's a safe 4wd legit racecar which just cruise by all the long switching curves of the track.
Sport Hard tires, High rev turbo, some common tweaks and u would safely stand under 600pp. So it would be 550ps & 1380kg. I use the lowest susp height to minimize drag.
fuel map 1 all the way, don't have to preseve the tires or the fuel, don't have to pit for anything, push as much as u like it, get stable 2:12 low all the way down, finish the race just under 27 minutes. Top speed on the straight would be 295-298kph(depending on varying fuel levels), enough for slipstreaming other AI cars.
I think geniuely many Gr.4 cars are suitable for this race, they have bigger tanks than road cars so many of them don't need pitting and they come with just adquate amount of downforce to run through the high speed corners.
True, using gr.4s is a good option if people are having problems for this race, especially if said gr.4 is awd. Good tip.
 
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I think geniuely many Gr.4 cars are suitable for this race, they have bigger tanks than road cars so many of them don't need pitting and they come with just adquate amount of downforce to run through the high speed corners.
They don't have bigger fuel tanks, every car in the game has the same 100 L capacity. Racing car engines just have better fuel mileage in GT7.
 
Right, time for another batch of cars, and those ones have been genuinely a fun drive:

Mitsubishi GTO: fine turning for days
Well, this car was a surprise, and for more than one aspect:
First and foremost, this car's top speed, while not amazing, is nothing to scoff at, since it tops at 305 km/h, making this car fast than half of the ai field in this aspect. In terms of handling, you can really feel this car has something else (4 steering wheel system is my best guess for this good handling), making this car turn very quickly, and AWD adds tons of stability, making this car the absolute best I've tried thus far at cornering. Pair this with awesome brakes, and you have a car amazing in technical sections.
Or, well, it would be if it had better acceleration, which is something this car has a severe lack of compared to most other entries here, though since it's easy to control in acceleration phase, it's not as bad as it could have otherwise been.
Overall, performance wise, it's very good.

Let's go to the economy, and here too we have a good car: despite being turbocharged (especially with an aftermarket turbo), fuel economy is really good, with a tank lasting for 8 laps (9 if you save a little bit of fuel), making this car surprisingly good in this aspect.
Tyres wise, despite being AWD, it's good also there, with no massive tyre wear (though you are going to feel your front tyres wear down quite a bit at the end of your first stint), making this car the best AWD on tyres.

Lap times, despite being not that good on power, it's still capable of achieving 2:09.6 without massive problems on fresh mediums on dry tarmac, with an overall time of 27:10 for the whole race. If you want to give it a try, though, you'll have to put this car on a diet since its base weight is 1700kg.

Final thoughts: really good car, very balanced, no major weak points, very enjoyable both for beginners and experienced drivers.

Nissan 370Z: similar to its predecessor

The title refers to when I tired the 350Z, though I tried a different tune: instead of focusing only on power, I focused a bit more on reducing weight, and I think this tune is better than the one I used on the Z33. Its straight line speed, though, it's not exactly the best: it tops right below 300 km/h, plus it has a problem with 6th gear: when you go uphill after the start/finish line, you need to stay in 5th and rev high instead of switching to 6th since it would have no power in the latter and lose 5 km/h overall.
At least handling is good, you are going to have a fun time especially in fast corners , though be aware than in slower ones you need to keep your tail under control, this car's a bit tail happy. Still very good, though.
Acceleration is very good, though with such a low top speed it's less effective than it would be if top speed was higher, and brakes are extremely good.

Tyres and fuel, as good as the GTO above, quite literally, though it's slightly worse on fuel despite being NA, which is surprising. It's still very good on both, though, but keep sliding under control if you want your rear tyres to last.

Lap times are... well, I expected better, with a 2:11.2 being the best I could achieve. It's not a bad lap time, but it's not a good one either. It's a bit underwhelming.

Final thoughts: it's a good ship, not an amazing one, but it will get the job done without problems.

Chevrolet Corvette C4 ZR1: roaring from the 80s

Just like the C7, its predecessor is also extremely good: 315 km/h of top speed is very fast, making this car one of the fastest ones on this whole list. Obviously, it's not as fast as the Countach, but it's still huge and something to not underestimate.
Handling wise it's also good, and this car felt more like a supercar than a muscle car, which made me pleasantly surprised: you can take fast corners with zero problems, and slow ones are a piece of cake too, you can go in and make sure you will be good.
Brakes are as good as the C7, you can easily use the same braking points, so if you are used to it, you are good to go here.
And, well, its LT5 makes it good on acceleration, which is to be expected on American cars.

Economy wise, that's yet another car for which I had to pit at the exact same time as the other twos, with similar tyre wear, which is uncanny now that I think about it, but either way, it's good. Don't put a supercharger on it or it could have a worse fuel economy, though.

In terms of lap times, this is yet another car going faster than 2:09 with a 2:08.7 as my best time, and I was also able to finish faster than 27 minutes, finishing at something like 26:59 or similar. So, this car's fast, and is not shy to admit it.

Final thoughts: the "ZR1" badge is 100 appropriate for this car, it's seriously bonkers, and made me wonder if I could go as fast with the C7 now that I'm getting more used to the track.

So, as always, thank you all for reading my reviews, I genuinely have fun with these and if you want to see some cars being tried, if you want to see some being used, just ask here in the thread or in DMs, I'll gladly try them (also, because of the recent huge amount of engines available, I can easily test engine swapped cars without massive problems) and I'm also curious to see your ideas for cars to use here. See you all next time, peace ✌️
 
Ok, I can confirm the rotary equipped Miata can be a winner on Tokyo. :D Thank you @The_It_Jojo for sharing your setup which makes the car very competitive in this race. Reaching 320 km/h on the straight is truly insane, it's a bit scary though too and I have to admit I tweaked the setup to my liking by reducing power while increasing downforce ... simply trying to stop that bugger from behaving like a pinball ( in my hands ) through some sectors. :lol:
2.09 laps are definitely possible ( s. attachment ), I was on the way to a 2.08 but I messed up the braking for the final hairpin.

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