The Xbox One Thread - One X & One SXBOne

[Samus]

It's just PR talk, all companies are guilty of it. Just check the latest slab from Sony when it comes to GT6.

 

[Lewis_Hamilton_]

It's going to change everything.

Everything!

Until they change it all back a week later. I never thought that a gaming console could actually become Bipolar.

 

[LaBounti]

So let me get this straight;

MS says Kinect is mandatory.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.
MS changes decision based on feedback; makes Kinect no longer needed.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.

And this is why I don't come in this thread, much.

Being forced to buy something you don't want and don't need is always great.

 

[gtracedriver1]

Just because the PS4 may have more pre-orders doesn't automatically mean demand for the X1 is low. That's like saying that Pepsi is in big trouble and better change something fast because Coke is selling more than them. No, it's ridiculous. Pepsi is doing fine and so is Microsoft and their Xbox One.

If there's nothing I can say to convince you that there won't be a major price drop for the X1 within the next year, then I guess you'll just have to wait it out and see for yourself. Just don't be surprised when it doesn't happen.

They would not have back tracked so much if everything was so fine. So I think they will also take the camera out and drop the price. But who knows for sure ?

 

[Samus]

They might release a version without the camera and it'll naturally be cheaper but it won't be $200 cheaper. No chance.

You also seem to be forgetting PS3 was originally $500/$600.

 

[Jawehawk]

It's just PR talk, all companies are guilty of it. Just check the latest slab from Sony when it comes to GT6.

Don't remind me... I'm still saddened by the fact that it's not comming out for the PS4.

 

[phillgt2002]

So let me get this straight;

MS says Kinect is mandatory.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.
MS changes decision based on feedback; makes Kinect no longer needed.
People (here especially) bitch and moan.

And this is why I don't come in this thread, much.

Gtplanet sometimes.

 

[jabofu]

It's going to change everything.

Everything!

Until they change it all back a week later. I never thought that a gaming console could actually become Bipolar.

Yeah. Unlike Sony. Sony released the PS3 with sd-slots, PS2 game support, other os and now look whats left of those features.

The xbox one is not out yet and could change tilll release in various aspects. I already preordered it. When I have it in my hands I still can decide, if I like all the features.

 

[Imari]

Gtplanet sometimes.

The entire internet sometimes, you mean.

 

[iMikeTheKing]

Microsoft Reduces Xbox One Launch Territories From 21 To 13

 

[killerjimbag]

Wow .

 

[Darren.]

Wow .

Basically MS are not going to have enough Xbox's on launch for the countries that get it in November.

 

[ASH32]

Basically MS are not going to have enough Xbox's on launch for the countries that get it in November.

Pretty much, this often happens with consoles at launch, not ideal but not the end of the world.

 

[killerjimbag]

I'm sure most of the Northern Eastern hemisphere is tickled pink.

 

[Badger-X-]

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for the PR people at MS! They've certainly had their work cut out for them.

 

[shadynader]

Reaffirms my suspicions of a rushed project and also backs up on the 'few months behind rumour' I mentioned a while back. I would not be at all surprised if we hear a few more delays on some features and maybe (doubtful) even a slight delay on a game or two in the next few months.

 

[Ddrizle]

Introducing Season Pass Guarantee: Buy a Season Pass on Xbox 360, get a Season Pass for the same game on Xbox One free.

Fans of Season Passes now have another reason to look forward to Xbox One with the Season Pass Guarantee program. With Season Pass Guarantee, you can purchase a Season Pass for a participating Xbox 360 title and automatically receive access to download the equivalent Xbox One Season Pass.* It’s simple.

Some of the biggest publishers, including Activision, Electronic Arts and Ubisoft, are lined up for the Season Pass Guarantee program, offering season pass content you can’t find anywhere else for blockbuster titles in 2013 and 2014. You’ll be able access exclusive season pass content on anticipated titles like “Call of Duty: Ghosts” and “Battlefield 4” on both Xbox 360 and Xbox One.

 

[gtracedriver1]

They might release a version without the camera and it'll naturally be cheaper but it won't be $200 cheaper. No chance.

You also seem to be forgetting PS3 was originally $500/$600.

PS3 had blu-ray and that was alone was some 100$ 7yrs from now. Also cell processor was expensive. XO has nothing in it to justify that price both in terms of specs and design wise too, it is simply a big rectangular box.

 

[Jawehawk]

PS3 had blu-ray and that was alone was some 100$ 7yrs from now. Also cell processor was expensive. XO has nothing in it to justify that price both in terms of specs and design wise too, it is simply a big rectangular box.

The launch price for the PS3 was certainly justified, however, Sony's choice to go with the stupidly complicated Cell processor wasn't really a good move. 600 dollars is/was simply too expensive for a console, and going with an ordinary processor would've helped.

On another note. Aren't the Kinect relatively cheap to produce? A Google search shows that the Kinect (original version) supposedly costs aproximately 56 dollars to make. The new version might have more advanced parts, but it's also fair to assume that they have streamlined production even further, which would make it cheaper.

So in short, i don't see how anyone can justify the additional 100 dollars/euros that you have to pay for the One.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

On another note. Aren't the Kinect relatively cheap to produce? A Google search shows that the Kinect (original version) supposedly costs aproximately 56 dollars to make. The new version might have more advanced parts, but it's also fair to assume that they have streamlined production even further, which would make it cheaper.

So in short, i don't see how anyone can justify the additional 100 dollars/euros that you have to pay for the One.

Supposedly that's not quite true.


Also, MS have released some info about the steps they've taken to ensure the Xbone won't overheat.


And here's some good news for people who don't want to wait for the console to start playing new games. That plus the Gamestop offer where they'll give you $50 when you trade in a current gen title for the same title on the new consoles is good news for the impatient among us. (Edit: tree'd)

Now that we have some facts out of the way, we return to your regularly scheduled hate-train.

 

[Jawehawk]

Supposedly that's not quite true.


Also, MS have released some info about the steps they've taken to ensure the Xbone won't overheat.


And here's some good news for people who don't want to wait for the console to start playing new games. That plus the Gamestop offer where they'll give you $50 when you trade in a current gen title for the same title on the new consoles is good news for the impatient among us. (Edit: tree'd)

Now that we have some facts out of the way, we return to your regularly scheduled hate-train.

Hopefully, you don't mean to include that first link in the facts department. If the Kinect was that expensive, you'd think Microsoft would state so officially. hell, they do love to inflate numbers. Just look at this recent statement from MS stating that they spent more than a hundred million dollars in designing the Xbox One controller. Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/micros...illions-designing-xbox-one-controller-6412843

Yeah, as if.

Now of course I don't know if the link you posted about the production cost of the Kinect is true. Nor do I know if it does actually cost around 50 dollars to produce. All speculation. But I don't believe for one second that is costs more than the One itself. Hell, the fact that the majority of gamers seem to not be interested in using the Kinect, throwing that much money at it would seem like suicide.

Ohh, and for the record. I don't hate the One. After all the policy reversals, it is starting to look like a good console. And if they drop the paywall and release a version without the Kinect, I might eventually pick it up. I do dislike Microsoft, for reasons that should be quite obvious. If Sony had attempted the same thing as MS did, I'd dislike them too.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

Hopefully, you don't mean to include that first link in the facts department. If the Kinect was that expensive, you'd think Microsoft would state so officially. hell, they do love to inflate numbers. Just look at this recent statement from MS stating that they spent more than a hundred million dollars in designing the Xbox One controller. Link: http://www.gamespot.com/news/micros...illions-designing-xbox-one-controller-6412843

Yeah, as if.

Now of course I don't know if the link you posted about the production cost of the Kinect is true. Nor do I know if it does actually cost around 50 dollars to produce. All speculation. But I don't believe for one second that is costs more than the One itself. Hell, the fact that the majority of gamers seem to not be interested in using the Kinect, throwing that much money at it would seem like suicide.

So, here's the thing: The link I posted was a statement by a MS employee who worked on the project and was speaking about development costs. How is that not a fact, or at least much closer to a fact than the speculation of some random guy (no offense) on the internet who knows next to nothing about the actual development of the product?

And when you think about it, it really shouldn't be surprising that the Kinect was that expensive to develop. It is a singularly unique technology; it track human movement in 3 dimensions and translates that to usable data for a game. There's no 'fake' tracking using IR signals like the PS Move or the Wiimote, it just tracks the person. Plus it listens to their voice and again, translates that to usable game-data. It has to work with everyone, guys, girls, kids, tall people, fat people, different languages and accents... The development cost of the software to make that work must have been staggering, let alone the hardware development or the manufacturing costs.

And at the controller link. Don't quite believe that one MS... although, there is something to be said for the ergonomics of the 360 controller, and that doesn't exactly happen by accident. I'm sure they spent time and money on it, but that much...?

Ohh, and for the record. I don't hate the One. After all the policy reversals, it is starting to look like a good console. And if they drop the paywall and release a version without the Kinect, I might eventually pick it up. I do dislike Microsoft, for reasons that should be quite obvious. If Sony had attempted the same thing as MS did, I'd dislike them too.

Wasn't really directed at you, more at the thread in general.

As for the bolded part though, I don't see it happening. MS is really committed to Kinect; and having every console ship with one is the only way they're going to be able to push devs toward really using it. Guaranteed install base promotes development; if they released a version with no Kinect, they might as well not release Kinect.
And the paywall is going nowhere. People are willing to pay for it, they proved that already on the 360. Like it or not, it's here to stay. Sony is evven creeping more into that camp, with their paywall for online play. It's a small step from that to the paywall-for-everything like MS has.
I remember when Sony fans used to say they'd "never" pay for online paly... Where did they all go?

 

[Imari]

If the Kinect was that expensive, you'd think Microsoft would state so officially.

Unless it's not that the Kinect is that expensive, but that the X1 is that cheap. It's basically just off the shelf PC parts in a box. With the sort of volume discounts that MS is probably getting, it could be very cheap indeed.

 

[Jawehawk]

I wasn't talking about development cost, but production. I realise that the Kinect itself is an advanced piece of technology. And a well made one at that. But I, along with what seems to be the majority of consumers, aren't interested in it. Which is why I don't get the focus. It's something that mostly caters to the casual market, and that's completely fine. But they should leave it at that, and not force it on the more hardcore players.

And seeing as the article mentioned that their source was an anonymous MS employee. In other words, it's not necessarily true. But it certainly could be.

To be honest, I dare not try to predict what MS will do in the future. Go back 3 months, and Microsoft and the Xbox One looked completely different that it does now. Don't get me wrong, amost all the changes made have been for the better, but it does make it hard to feel certain about anything currently being said and done by MS.

As for the PS4 requiring PS Plus. Well, I absolutely hate that. And I don't think their reasons are fully justified. Why not just make online games free, while making all those extra features part of PS Plus. A lot of people would then buy Plus, but it would still leave us with the ability to use the games that we pay for fully.

 

[HighSeasHoMastr]

I wasn't talking about development cost, but production. I realise that the Kinect itself is an advanced piece of technology. And a well made one at that. But I, along with what seems to be the majority of consumers, aren't interested in it. Which is why I don't get the focus. It's something that mostly caters to the casual market, and that's completely fine. But they should leave it at that, and not force it on the more hardcore players.

Ah, I see. My mistake 👍 But you can't realistically separate development costs and production costs when you're bringing a product to market; you have to recover both of them. But I see what you were saying.
And I agree that in its present (I.e. Kinect 1.0) iteration it doesn't really appeal to the core. But I'm at least interested and open-minded enough to see what, considering the greater capability of the Kinect 2.0 plus the guarantee that everyone has one, developers will be able to do with it.
I have said in the past that the only way to get the core to even give it a fair try is to force it on them, and I stand by that statement.

And seeing as the article mentioned that their source was an anonymous MS employee. In other words, it's not necessarily true. But it certainly could be.

It's as close as we're likely to get, unfortunately.

To be honest, I dare not try to predict what MS will do in the future. Go back 3 months, and Microsoft and the Xbox One looked completely different that it does now. Don't get me wrong, amost all the changes made have been for the better, but it does make it hard to feel certain about anything currently being said and done by MS.

+1 to this. We'll just have to see how it shakes out.

As for the PS4 requiring PS Plus. Well, I absolutely hate that. And I don't think their reasons are fully justified. Why not just make online games free, while making all those extra features part of PS Plus. A lot of people would then buy Plus, but it would still leave us with the ability to use the games that we pay for fully.

I agree. But at the same time, I don't... it costs money to provide that service, so it kinda makes sense that they would want to charge for it to try and make up some of the loss on it.
Ultimately like I said before, people have proven that they're willing to pay for it, so it's not going away now.

 

[Ddrizle]

Forza 5 Day One and Limited Ed. revealed

 

[iMikeTheKing]

I was going to get the Day One edition but I will change it to LE. I will probably Pre-order now and get the Xbox One at a later date.

 

[Spagetti69]

So Kinnect can be unplugged now. http://www.computerandvideogames.com/423916/kinect-not-required-for-xbox-one-to-function/

Looking better each day.

 

[Ddrizle]

Xbox One delays in some European markets are simply a software issue.

While there was speculation that Microsoft was delaying the Xbox One launches in those countries due to shipment and supply issues , Microsoft's Xbox director of marketing Albert Penello told fans on the NeoGAF message board that was not the case. He stated:

Launch volumes are not really an issue. This was simply a software issue in terms of getting local language and voice support in the dash. It's pretty straightforward, but disappointing I know for people who are missing launch.

 

[Youngun]

They may as well call this the PS3 American version because thats what its becoming. If they back track anymore then they may as well just release the 360 again.