This is America...Speak English

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I'm honestly not sure where to put this. It's a current event but a major political statement as well. Anyway...

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/14697552.htm

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If and when you go to Geno's famous cheesesteaks in Philly, you'd better come with some form of English.

I personally think that this is excellent. It is America and you need to speak English to get ahead. I have nothing against other languages or heritages. But our language is English. All government forms should be in English. If you want to be bi, tri or multilingual that's excellent. However learn English if you want to do business in America.

Your thoughts?
 
...Ya know, I completely agree. Why should we have to learn Spanish to be able to serve people who are here illegally, or why should we have to know Spanish the next time we go to Taco Bell?

I'm somewhat bi-lingual, able to speak English and German, but there is no reason why I would go around ordering people in German (unless of course I'm playing "Nazi Fun Time").

...Hence the reason why English was made the offical language of the United States. Weve been speaking it for well over 200 years, why change now? Our neighbors to the north speak it (well, except for those silly folks from Quebec), our friends in Ireland, Scotland, England and Australia all speak English... It is a universal language, one of three, usually defined as English, French, and Spanish.

But the fact still remains, I should not have to learn another language in order to accomodate people who are in my country illegally. As a matter of fact, we should be doing what the Dude in Philly is doing across the country... I'm sick having Mexicans comming up to me and having their 5 year old kids translate for them when I am trying to help them find a new pair of jeans, or cashing them out at the cash register.

...It's just plain stupid. Atleast when people come to the US from Europe or Asia, they can speak the language pretty well, even if they are only visiting. I've met many people from France, Germany, Italy, Japan, etc who speak English very well, so why can't the Mexicans learn to do so?
 
That's all true. But it's not just about illegals. It's about all the immigrants includling legal ones that don't want to assimilate into the culture.

I don't want the federal gov't to make it English the "official" language, I want it on the State level so the the people have much more of a say in what goes on.
 
It's fine for the government to only communicate in one language. And it's fine for businesses to refuse to serve customers who aren't speaking English. But it's also fine for businesses to cater to non-english speakings and require their employees to learn another language.
 
danoff
It's fine for the government to only communicate in one language. And it's fine for businesses to refuse to serve customers who aren't speaking English. But it's also fine for businesses to cater to non-english speakings and require their employees to learn another language.

Yep, yep and yep.

Man! I went to a new Lowes hardward store and EVERY SINGLE sign had Spanish right under the English. Honestly, it made me very angry and I doubt I'll be going back there. But as Danoff said, it's their choice and my choice not to go back.

EDIT: Man I'm tempted to make a run to Philly and get some cheese Steaks. Duke, you want me to give you one on the way back? :sly:
 
danoff
But it's also fine for businesses to cater to non-english speakings and require their employees to learn another language.
I agree but businesses shouldn't have to do it to make their customers happy. It isn't a civil rights issue if a company cannot or will not serve you because you don't speak English in a country that has English as its main language.

If you wish to get ahead in the United States and have all the wonderful benefits you came here for learn English to the point that you can be understood.

It isn't as if I am asking people to quit speaking Spanish altogether or to try and hide that they are Hispanic. And that applies to anyone from any nationality. I am not wishing for anyone to abandon their heritage. I learned German in college but I still eat the same foods and do the same activities. I haven't lost my heritage because of it.

All I ask is that if you want me to conduct business with you please speak my native language because you are in my country of origin. And then don't go off and start yelling at me when I can't understand you because I don't understand profanity in your language either.


And then maybe, just maybe, I will do you the respect of not yelling English at you as if that makes it easier to understand. :lol:
 
I agree. I don't go to France or anywhere else and expect them to learn my language (just like I don't expect them to change a way of life for my benefit; but that's another topic).

If I can't understand you, how can I help you? And then there's the ones who get pissed when you don't "try" to speak their language in your own country.

I mean, when you go to another place that has a different language, I suggest you d*mn well learn to speak it and follow their ways.
 
Swift
It's about all the immigrants includling legal ones that don't want to assimilate into the culture.


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Then why the &^%* are they here? That's the definition of immigration.

There's no reason they shouldn't be comfortable with their previous lives while in their homes, but if they want to be here and participate in society, they should know the language. The language is (American) English, not Spanish, French, German, Russian, Swahili, Hungarian, Italian, Danish, Finnish, or Portuguese.

I, unlike most Americans, have lived and travelled in Europe, and nowhere did it ever occur to me to expect English to be available. Usually it was, but if not, too bad. I was the foreigner, it was my responsibility to get by.

I hate seeing bilingual signs, but even worse is the growing trend of Spanish-only signage and advertising. The only place that's acceptable would be for a language school.

Don't come to my house and expect me to change my lifestyle to accomodate you.
 
*McLaren*
I agree. I don't go to France or anywhere else and expect them to learn my language

Why should I have to learn French to visit France? If I want to go to France and see the sights, I shouldn't be forced to speak French. Especially if there are plenty of businesses that choose to cater to people who speak Ameeeracan.

I don't think people in this nation should be required to speak English. If they want to try to make their way without it - fine. Good luck. I hope there are a lot of you and we want your business or you're going to have a hard time finding people who understand you.
 
danoff
Why should I have to learn French to visit France? If I want to go to France and see the sights, I shouldn't be forced to speak French. Especially if there are plenty of businesses that choose to cater to people who speak Ameeeracan.

I don't think people in this nation should be required to speak English. If they want to try to make their way without it - fine. Good luck. I hope there are a lot of you and we want your business or you're going to have a hard time finding people who understand you.

Then go to them. But considering the country's major language is French, don't you think it would help you if you tried to communicate with them in their language?
 
danoff
I don't think people in this nation should be required to speak English.
Who said anything about required?

I'm just saying don't get all pissy with me when I don't know Spanish and can't help you. If I decide to end the transaction the moment that I realize we have a language barrier then you need to accept it and find someone who can help because they are not here.

I agree that no one should be forced to learn English, but don't try and make me learn Spanish in order to run my business. The door swings both ways.
 
*McLaren*
Then go to them. But considering the country's major language is French, don't you think it would help you if you tried to communicate with them in their language?

Nope, Danoff's right. Take Cancun for instance. It's in Mexico, but Americans can get around very well because they WANT us to go there. The same with Paris, Egypt and many other major torrist attractions across the world. It's when you want to STAY in that country that you need to learn the native language.
 
Swift
Nope, Danoff's right. Take Cancun for instance. It's in Mexico, but Americans can get around very well because they WANT us to go there. The same with Paris, Egypt and many other major torrist attractions across the world. It's when you want to STAY in that country that you need to learn the native language.
Well, I never said to visit. When I said "I don't go to France or anywhere else and expect them to learn my language," it meant something to you in a different way.

I go to France quite often and because of that, I don't expect them to learn English just to cater to me.

Put it this way. You know when you help someone once, it's ok. But then when it gets annoying when they keep coming back to you every so often asking you to do something? That's probably how it would be for those Frenchmen if I kept coming back asking them to speak English.
 
*McLaren*
Put it this way. You know when you help someone once, it's ok. But then when it gets annoying when they keep coming back to you every so often asking you to do something? That's probably how it would be for those Frenchmen if I kept coming back asking them to speak English.

My point exactly. One should learn the language of the land if they want to frequent another country.
 
So America is a nation of immigrants, but guess what, everyone learned English, didn't they? Some of my great-grandparents came directly here from Germany, Poland, Netherlands, etc but they all spoke English fluently, and yet they still spoke to eachother in the old languages as well.

Learning English is not removing your heritage from where you come from, it only ties you to a greater ammount of people of whome you can share a common trait with. Thats why the INS requires that you have an 8th-grade level of English before you can become a citizen in the United States...

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On the travel thing: If I'm going to go to a different country, I'm probably going to attempt to learn a few phrases so that I can get around a bit easier. I did so when I went to Mexico, despite the fact that it wassent used too much... My Aunt frequently travels to Italy and France, and she can speak the languages quite fluently... Its part of the same reason why I bothered to learn German, so that I can travel to Germany and Austria without too many problems.
 
YSSMAN
So America is a nation of immigrants, but guess what, everyone learned English, didn't they? Some of my great-grandparents came directly here from Germany, Poland, Netherlands, etc but they all spoke English fluently, and yet they still spoke to eachother in the old languages as well.

Exactly my point when I said:

WFOOSHEE
The language is (American) English, not Spanish, French, German, Russian, Swahili, Hungarian, Italian, Danish, Finnish, or Portuguese.

Travelling is different from residing, or even frequently doing business. You want to visit but can't be bothered with the language, then good luck to you, hope someone can help you out. You want to live here but can't be bothered to learn the language, then we'd all prefer it if you just went back home, we could do without your arrogant assumption that WE owe YOU the ability to communicate.
 
...I'm sure down in Panama City you get quite a few "furriners" who don't speak English. I used to travel there every summer when I was a kid, did so from 1997-2000, actually making two trips in 2000. I miss going back down there, I need to go again sometime...
 
Swift
I'm honestly not sure where to put this. It's a current event but a major political statement as well. Anyway...

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/14697552.htm

216013550903.jpg


If and when you go to Geno's famous cheesesteaks in Philly, you'd better come with some form of English.

I personally think that this is excellent. It is America and you need to speak English to get ahead. I have nothing against other languages or heritages. But our language is English. All government forms should be in English. If you want to be bi, tri or multilingual that's excellent. However learn English if you want to do business in America.

Your thoughts?


Well speaking as a native philadelphian...and knowing Joe vento... he's making a political point..but in a poor way...Pats and Geno's are both tourist attractions...and as such attract foreign visitors...so he's full of crap .
if I go to france or germany and need help with a menu or when I am in Italy I need help with ANYTHING ...no one tells me go away english speaker or whatever... he's a well meaning idiot on this issue and the sign will more than likely be gone soon ...if not PATS will have longer lines ...his loss .
 
I was discussing this topic at a different site I go to. Here's some facts that were posted. Maybe you guys would like to read them. Again, no opinions, just facts.


Ninety-two percent of the world's countries have at least one official language. (Source: 2002 World Almanac, 2001 U.S. Bureau of the Census Estimates)


English is the sole official language in 31 nations. An additional 20 nations recognize English as one of two or more official languages. (Source: 2002 World Almanac, 2001 U.S. Bureau of the Census Estimates)


In 2000, 21.3 million U.S. residents (8.1 percent of the U.S. population) were met the definition of limited English proficient set by the U.S. Census, meaning that they spoke English "less than very well." Of these, 11.0 million, or 4.2 percent spoke English "not well" or "not at all" (Source: Census 2000)


The number of Americans who do speak English "not at all" jumped from 1.22 million in 1980 to 3.37 million in 2000, a 176 percent increase over 20 years (Source: U.S. Census)


California leads the nation in the number of limited English proficient persons, with 6.3 million, or one-fifth of the population of the Golden State. Texas is second with 2.7 million, followed by New York, Florida and Illinois. New Jersey, Arizona, Massachusetts, Georgia and Pennsylvania round out the top 10. (Source: U.S. Census)


Since 1980, the number of U.S. residents who are limited English proficient has more than doubled, from 10.2 million to 21.3 million. In 1980, fewer than 1-in-20 Americans struggled with English. Now, nearly 1-in-12 do. (Source: U.S. Census)


In 2000, 11.9 million U.S. residents lived in linguistically isolated households, meaning that no one in the household spoke English at home or spoke English "very well". This figure is up 54 percent from 7.7 million in 1990. In all, more than 1-in-25 households in the United States is linguistically isolated. (Source: Census 2000)


There are 322 languages spoken at home in the United States. Behind English, the most common languages are Spanish, French, Chinese, German, Tagalog, Vietnamese, Italian, Korean and Russian. (Source: Census 2000)


California has the most languages spoken at home of any state with 207. New York is second with 169, followed by Washington, Texas and Oregon. Pennsylvania, Florida, Illinois, New Jersey and Arizona round out the top 10 states. (Source: Census 2000)


English proficiency rates among immigrants vary widely by ancestry. More than 80 percent of the immigrants from several ancestry groups speak English "very well," including Egyptians (90.4 percent), Lebanese (89.5), Pakistanis (87.7), Romanians (86.5), Iranians (86.1), Thais (83.0) and Argentineans (81.6). Other ancestry groups lag far behind the overall average of 71.4 percent English proficient, including Cambodians (65.7), Vietnamese (64.4), Hondurans (53.5), Guatemalans (52.8) and Mexicans (49.9). (Source: Census 2000)


In 1999, the average employed immigrant who spoke English very well earned $40,741, more than double the $16,345 earned by immigrants who did not speak English at all. The increasing scale of English proficiency and earnings was recorded at every education level from less than high school through master's degree and beyond. (Source: Educational Testing Services, A Human Capital Concern: The Literary Proficiency of U.S. Immigrants, March 2004)


The ability to understand English was so crucial to immigrant success that foreign-born workers with moderate-to-high levels English proficiency had higher earnings than native-born workers with the same degree of English proficiency. More important, data from the National Adult Literacy Survey found that immigrants with a low degree of English proficiency earned one-half of what those with a medium degree of proficiency earned and less than one-third of highly English proficient immigrants. (Source: Educational Testing Services, A Human Capital Concern: The Literary Proficiency of U.S. Immigrants, March 2004)


Immigrants who speak English "not well" or "not at all" have median weekly earnings approximately 57 percent of those of U.S. born workers. The weekly earnings of immigrants who speak another language at home, but speak English "very well" or "well" are nearly 90 percent of those of U.S. born workers. Immigrants who speak English at home are best off, with median weekly earnings 20 percent higher than U.S. born workers. (Source: U.S. Department of Labor, How Do Immigrants Fare in the U.S. Labor Market?, Monthly Labor Review, December 1992)


The U.S. Department of Education found that those with limited English proficiency are less likely to be employed, less likely to be employed continuously, tend to work in the least desirable sectors and earn less than those who speak English. Annual earnings by non-English proficient adults were approximately half of the total population surveyed. ? (Source: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics; English Literacy and Language Minorities in the United States, August 2001)


The Tomas Rivera Policy Institute found that, "far and away, the most commonly cited obstacle to gaining college knowledge was the language barrier." While 96 percent of the Latino parents surveyed in the nation's three largest cities expected their children to go to college, nearly two-thirds missed at least half of the questions on a "mini-test of college knowledge." (Source: Tomas Rivera Policy Institute, College Knowledge, April 2002)


Effective English language instruction is an essential antipoverty tool for working immigrant families. Poverty and the need for public benefits, such as food stamps, are more closely related to limited English proficiency than with citizenship or legal status. (Source: Urban Institute, Immigrant Well-Being in New York and Los Angeles, August 2002)


The Canadian Government spends $260 million annually to do government business in both of the nation's official languages. This figure was 0.16% of the Canadian federal budget. If the U.S. was to spend 0.16% of the federal budget to do government business in two languages, the cost would be $3.8 billion. (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages, Canada)


The Canadian Government spends $24 per Canadian resident per year to do government business in both of the nation?s official languages. If the U.S. was to spend $24 per person per year on government multilingualism, the cost would be $5.7 billion. (Source: Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages, Canada)


There are 25 nations and 20 official languages in the European Union, yielding 380 translation combinations. (Source: European Commission)


In June 2004, facing a backlog of 60,000 pages awaiting translation, European Union officials were asked to limit their documents to 15 pages to avoid further burdening the system. The average document size prior to this request was 32 pages. (Source: European Commission)


There are 1,800 translators, representing eight percent of the entire staff, at the European Commission. (Source: European Commission)


In 2004, the cost of translation and interpretation at the European Commission was $720 million. It is estimated that by 2007, the cost will have risen to $1.06 billion. (Source: European Commission)


The cost of multilingual ballots and translations represented one-eighth of Los Angeles County?s $16 million expense in the Nov. 2004 general election. (Source: European Commission)


The City of San Francisco must spend $350,000 for each language that a document is translated into under the city's bilingual government ordinance. (Source: Janet Ng, Asian Week.com, June 2001)


The total annual cost for the California Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) to provide language services is $2.2 million. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs of Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)


Of the 3,600 Chinese ballots prepared for the Sept. 2002 primary election in King County, Wash., only 24 (or 0.67 percent) were used. (Source: Warren Cornwall, Bilingual vote turnout low: Only 24 Chinese ballots returned in primary, Seattle Times, October 9, 2002)


The total cost of providing multilingual services for the Immigration and Naturalization Service would be between $114 million and $150 million annually. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs on Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)


It costs $1.86 million annually to prepare written translations for food stamp recipients nationwide. The cost for oral translations skyrocket to $21 million nationally per year. (Source: U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Report to Congress: Assessment of the Total Benefits and Costs of Implementing Executive Order No. 13166: Improving Access to Services for Person with Limited English Proficiency, March 14, 2002)


79 percent of Americans, and 81 percent of first and second generation Americans favor making English the official language of the United States. Majority support for official English was recorded among every subgroup, including age, gender, race, and political affiliation. (Source: Zogby International, June 2005)


A 2001 Gallup poll found that 96 percent of Americans believe that it is essential/important that immigrants living in the United States learn to speak English. (Source: Gallup Poll, 2001)


85 percent of Americans believe it is very hard or somewhat hard for immigrants to get a good job or do well in this country without learning English. (Source: Gallup Poll, 2001)


Nearly two-in-three foreign born adults say that the United States should expect all immigrants to learn English. (Source: Public Agenda survey of 1,002 foreign born adults, 2002)


68 percent of Hispanics say that the goal of bilingual education programs should be to make sure that students learn English well. (Source: The Latino Coalition survey of 1,000 Hispanic adults, 2002)


Three-in-four foreign born adults believe that schools should teach English to immigrant students as quickly as possible, even if it means that they need to catch up in other subjects. (Source: The Latino Coalition survey of 1,000 Hispanic adults, 2002)


Nearly 90 percent of Latinos believe that adult Latino immigrants need to learn English in order to succeed in the United States. (Source: Pew Hispanic Center/Kaiser Family Foundation survey of 2,929 Hispanic adults, 2002)


86 percent of Americans call the ability to speak and understand English an absolutely essential or very important obligation for all Americans. (Source: National Opinion Research Center survey of 2,904 adults, 1996)


Myth: At the Constitutional Convention, the Founding Fathers debated and decided against making English the official language.

Reality: The issue was never discussed at the Constitutional Convention.i Because more than 90 percent of the non-slave population was of British ancestry,ii and even the former Dutch colonies had been under English rule for more than a century, the topic was not controversial enough to even be debated.

Myth: A proposal in Congress to make German the official language of the United States failed by one vote.

Reality: Congress never voted on a proposal to make German the official language.iii (The myth probably is based on a 1794 proposal to translate some laws into German. It was defeated in the House of Representatives, 42-41.)iv

Myth: The fact that The Federalist Papers were printed in German shows that the Founding Fathers opposed making English the official language of government.

Reality: The Federalist Papers were not government documents; they were a series of newspaper columns.v Official English applies only to government documents. (Furthermore, in The Federalist No. 2, John Jay mentions his pleasure that this country had "one united people... speaking the same language ...")

Myth: Official English adds more intrusive laws and regulations at a time when the public wants less government.

Reality: Official English does not restrict the rights of private citizens in any way. Instead, it reins in government bureaucracies that are trying to expand their programs.

Myth: Official English would deprive criminal defendants of their right to an interpreter.

Reality: Any bill sponsored by U.S.ENGLISH would provide a specific exception for "actions that protect the rights of ... criminal defendants."

Myth: A 911 interpreter would violate official English.

Reality: Any bill sponsored by U.S.ENGLISH would provide a specific exemption for "actions ... that protect the public health."

Myth: Official English would bar non-native celebrations such as St. Patrick’s Day, Cinco de Mayo and Oktoberfest.

Reality: Official English refers solely to business conducted by government entities, with specific exemptions for mottoes, holiday celebrations and the like. Not only would non-native holidays continue to be celebrated after the enactment of official English, these special days would likely be joined by other cultural festivities taught to Americans by newcomers speaking a shared language – English.

Myth: Official English would prohibit the teaching of foreign languages in schools.

Reality: Acquiring a foreign language is both a gift and an asset. As it deals with only government entities, publications and documents, the enactment of official English would not affect the teaching of foreign languages. U.S. ENGLISH wholeheartedly encourages the teaching of foreign languages at every level of education. Proficiency in multiple languages opens more doors and raises incomes even higher than proficiency in a single language alone.

Myth: Official English would ban the speaking of languages other than English in homes and places of worship.

Reality: While a common language allows us easy access to medical care and government services, the ability to be free in our homes and our places of worship is a right that would not be infringed by official English. While learning English allows all Americans a shot at the American dream, official English refers to actions done by the government, proudly maintaining the prized speech and religious freedoms offered by our Constitution.

Myth: Most nations have not declared an official language.

Reality: More than 90 percent (177) of the world’s nations have enacted an official language. English is the most common official language on Earth.

Myth: Most immigrants oppose official English legislation.

Reality: Over the last two decades, support for official English and the end to bilingual education has been noticeable among immigrants. In some cases, support for these initiatives has been higher among the foreign born than the population as a whole. Immigrants themselves have cited language as the greatest barrier that keeps them from succeeding in the United States. Several independent surveys have found support for official English legislation to cover between two-thirds and four-fifth> of the foreign born population.
 
Damn. Everything I want to say about the subject is just plain mean, so I'll just cut to the chase. I think Geno is being ridiculous. He is not selling tires, he's not a banker. If I was a foreign tourist and ran into a business like this, it will leave a pretty negative impression of Americans for sure.

On the English as the national language of the U.S.A., I'd say yes. If President Bush wants some of the popularity back, instead of attempting a ban on Gay Marriages, he should get on this. I think he'll go from a very unpopular President to Elvis in overnight(OK, maybe Mel Gibson).


I'm tired of bilingual ATM and directing system as much as the next guy, but I hope we don't get too judgemental(I know, who's talking :D) or hateful toward Non-English speaking people. My first summer when I arrived to the States. Walking thru the mall with my mom and my brother. Me and my brother spoke no english, my mom did. While we are chatting, walking thru the mall, some a-hole yells at us(in middle of the mall at a woman and her two little boys, 12 & 8), "Speak English in this country!". If I could face this idiot today, I could say "and dumb**** like you shouldn't speak at all". ;)
 
a6m5
I think Geno is being ridiculous. He is not selling tires, he's not a banker. If I was a foreign tourist and ran into a business like this, it will leave a pretty negative impression of Americans for sure.
While, I agree that he is just trying to make a statement, and possibly get free advertising (he's on here isn't he?) it does serve a purpose.

Non-English speaking tourists could save themselves the trouble
Geno has no reason to specifically look for a bilingual employee.


That said a sign that just said, "please order in English." would be much more polite. It would be a shame for a tourist to judge all Americans on a political issue aimed at immigrants.

Of course, if the menu is in English anyone who is literate should be able to at least read the items phonetically. It isn't as if any non-English speaking person could do worse than my dad. If I go to a German, Mexican, Indian, Chinese, or Italian restaurant I can still order the dishes off the menu well enough for my server to understand without speaking the language. I don't think it is too much to ask that the customers to order a Philly Cheese Steak in English.

Honestly, it isn't as if they trying to have a full conversation with the guy making their cheese steaks, especially when they don't know his language, but I bet they can read and say cheese steak. (And now I'm hungry.)
 
While I agree with you to some extent...
You have to keep in mind that some folks are in the process of learning English. Unortunately, they have to practice on somebody. So instead of being "ugly Americans," Help them to learn.
That may involve learning enough of their language to be able to say "I don't understand, do you have any English?"

Signs like that one are designed to stir up Americans. If foreigners can't speak our language they ain't all that likely to be able to read it.
It's a lot harder for an older person to learn a new language. And English, with all it's idioms is a lot harder than most languages to learn.
There are also a lot of first generation (insert nationality) immagrants in this country.
Their kids have learned english. The grandkids know english only.

So it only takes about a generation and a half to eradicate a native language.

Another fact: Overseas many people are multi-lingual. It is almost a requirement with England, France, and Germany being the equivalant of a day's drive from each other. And if you plan to vacation in another country, or people from other countries come to visit you on a regular basis, it's good, for business, to know their language.

America is one of the only countries on the planet that covers so much ground and has only one language. And we have enough different regional accents that it can be difficult to understand each other at times.

[sarcasm]It's too bad that America is a melting pot, and people of all nationalities want to come here.
Hell my ancestors were kidnapped, forced to work by people that they didn't understand, and then beaten with whips till they did, and got their ass to work. We got rid of all those native African dialects real quick. Those were the days![/sarcasm]
 
Gil
While I agree with you to some extent...
You have to keep in mind that some folks are in the process of learning English. Unortunately, they have to practice on somebody. So instead of being "ugly Americans," Help them to learn.
That may involve learning enough of their language to be able to say "I don't understand, do you have any English?"
Still, as long as you speak a Germanic or Romance language you should be able to read and say cheese steak phonetically.

Signs like that one are designed to stir up Americans.
As I said, he could use something more polite than a bumper sticker that I previously have only seen on "redneck" trucks.

If foreigners can't speak our language they ain't all that likely to be able to read it.
It's a lot harder for an older person to learn a new language. And English, with all it's idioms is a lot harder than most languages to learn.
There are also a lot of first generation (insert nationality) immagrants in this country.
Does it make it any less relevant that learning the local language helps you succeed faster? You can't demand that the locals learn your language to help you succeed, your success is on your shoulders and yours alone.
 
YSSMAN
...I'm sure down in Panama City you get quite a few "furriners" who don't speak English.

Yes. Canadians, eh!

Seriously, there is a long Spanish heritage in Florida, and southern Florida especially has a huge Puerto Rican and Cuban population. Nevertheless, most of these are bilingual, or as generations pass, even English only. My brother-in-law is of Puerto Rican descent, yet he has almost no Spanish, his grandparents had almost no English, his parents are fluent in both. That kind of transition is normal and, from an "American" point of view, desired. Accomodating or even encouraging Spanish-only persons simply removes more than half the US population from participating.

It is ridiculous to require a business owner to have Spanish-speaking employees. If he happens to have them and it helps, fine. But to require him, he would have to let someone go to be able to afford it, perhaps, and now you're running into discrimination territory.
 
I agree with Danoff that you shouldn't be forced to learn another language when visiting another country, but then when you change the word visiting to living, your agreeing to become part of that countries society, your agreeing to uphold that countries laws, if that society speaks English and you don't, then you shouldn't be upset when you can't get a job or you can't order a meal because no one can understand you. Ofcourse the people need the chance to learn the language in the first place and I have no problem with this issue in general. But it's the people that come over, can't speak English, and make no attept to learn how to speak any English, thus ruling themselves out of getting work and then recieving benefits to live. I despise that attitude of coming here taking our tax money and never giving anyting back.
 
The whole point is ...GENO's and PATS are tourist spots...why would you expect a tourist to have to speak english...he's a dumb ass (Joe is )...

Then again..you order by saying " cheese wit " and give them money...I guess you could have the tour guide or a polite South Philadelphian..in you find one ..order for you .

Or ...you see the sign... get pissed..... and walk over to PATS accross the street about 20 yards away and spend your money ...they have no problem with pointing .

English is supposed to help IMMIGRANTS assimilate and become PART of the United States...in that respect I am all for IMMIGRANTS being required to learn English to become citizens ..

BUT TOURIST ???

When did we become France ?
 
Just deleted the second one for you 👍, although I also accidentally deleted my own post as well :dunce:
 
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