Three Hundred Miles Per Hour

[Dark Elite]

Reading the first post always helps, I did put a great big message at the top of it for a good reason.

Big thanks go to Master MS () and Macca for dealing with questions and help while I was away, cheers guys 👍

Oscilating, however the heck you spell it

Oscillating, I believe, and Macca's right in saying that this is not a wheelie. This is some sort of odd suspension movement, whether it's the springs recompressing after they rise up to their maximum or whatever, we've never really discussed: but it's known as the Churchill Effect to those old hands

It is kind of a way to cheat because the car accel. faster.
Think of it as a cheat code.

No, think of it more as exploiting a glitch. Wheelies don't modify the game code like a Gameshark would, but simply take advantage of an issue in the physics engine that's already there. We don't do it because getting 380mph out of a 900bhp road car is quite unrealistic enough for us, without cars going quicker purely by having two wheels off the ground

Hello all,
...
Thanks for this great new inspiration.

That's quite alright
Macca's advice along the lines of changing one particular aspect of the setup at a time is definitely useful, but you have to bear in mind that as you change one setting, the optimum for the others may move too, so the only way to go is check and test, check and test.

Nice work in the Ford, Macca, I can see why you wanted to put that one up - it might only be eight hundredths faster, but that's quintupled how far the car is into 300mph territory... Rather like getting a Tommykaira to 700mph would. So it's no mean feat!

I'll get it on the Leaderboard in the morning, when I'm on my desktop. I should get round to putting my updater program on my laptop as well, but, I suppose it gives you a chance to get those other three speeds up so they're all in one update! Thanks for holding your fire on those too. But now, I've slept for one hour out of the last thirty-seven, so I'm gonna go to bed for a bit

DE

 

[gokrtmozrt]

I tried to attach this last night, but duhhhh didn't notice the file was too large. This pic and speed was what I meant by going the easy route.

Macca I am running thru the corner in 5th (4th in the 5 speeds) and shifting to the final gear right at the exit right as I go to the nitrous. On a good run I enter the corner at about 275-267 but then it only gains to 270-272, where the videos I have seen show 290 right as they go to 6th and the nitrous. It seems like it is a 5ht gear issue, but I have tried shorter and taller but nothing seems to help.

Thanks for the pointers though.

 

[mcsqueegy]

That's still not too bad a speed. It might be your suspension, it's hard to tell. But something that might help: put the spring rates as minimum, front ride height maximum, rear ride height minimum. Super soft race tyres. Downforce full front and rear. I've never actually used the GT-One for max speeds, but i know it's an extremely capable car...

Anyway, something for DE to wake up to... The right one is the RX7 LM, by the way, hard to read.

And the ****Nissan updated**** here as well, which you missed, up there with my Supra . I also broke 310.39mph NN with the Audi, but I can't upload that for a while, the internet's having problems uploading large files . Time to update the recent records!

-Macca

 

[gokrtmozrt]

Thanks again for the tips Macca, I had most of those settings except the ride height in the front, gained me 10 MPH so now I have the GTone up to 352(woohoo broke the 350 barrier, need to get the video uploaded), I tried downforce and it helps the corner speed but then the car just stalls out on the backstretch. but I think I am on the right track and can make gains from here.

Couple other questions:
What is the PAL version of this game, NA = North American, JPN = Japan, PAL = (I'm sure I ill say duhhhhhh!!!)

How much difference will a wheel make thru the corner?

On my fastest runs the front end is porpoising (sp) making me worry that their is some sort of wheelie, is this the churchill effect?

How do I attach the screen shots so they appear on my post (instead of just an attachment)

 

[mcsqueegy]

What is the PAL version of this game, NA = North American, JPN = Japan, PAL = (I'm sure I ill say duhhhhhh!!!)

Erm, i don't know that one.

How much difference will a wheel make thru the corner?

With some faster cars, you might not be able to make the turn without hitting the wall. With 350+mph race cars, Super soft race tyres should help...

On my fastest runs the front end is porpoising (sp) making me worry that their is some sort of wheelie, is this the churchill effect?

Yep, the churchill effect is when the car is bouncing continuosly on the back straight, so it should be fine...

How do I attach the screen shots so they appear on my post (instead of just an attachment)

Upload your images to another photo site, maybe?? Photobucket's a good one. Since i don't use imageshack, that might be better, i don't know. Mabye there is a different way to show some pics...

-Macca

 

[jagenigma]

I have gotten My Minolta 88C-V Race car up to 311.81 MPH

 

[mcsqueegy]

Nice work, all you need to is verify that you've read and followed all the rules in post #1, and Dark Elite will put you up on the leaderboard . Grrr wake up DE!

-Macca

 

[jagenigma]

Nice work, all you need to is verify that you've read and followed all the rules in post #1, and Dark Elite will put you up on the leaderboard . Grrr wake up DE!

-Macca

Okay I will Put up my tuning set up.
Suspension
Spring Rate: 12.8/13.8
Ride Height: 70/70
Shock Bound: 6/6
Shock Rebound: 6/6
Camber: default
Toe Angle: default
Stabilizers: 4/4

Transmission Settings
Gear 1: 3.960
Gear 2: 2.411
Gear 3: 1.658
Gear 4: 1.204
Gear 5: 0.928
Gear 6: 0.748
Final: 3.000
Auto: 25

Nitrous set: 70

Downforce
Front: 55
Rear: 75

Driving Aids
ASM (oversteer): 0
ASM (understeer): 0
TCS: 0

Parts installed
Nitrous kit
Turbo Stage 4

I did not Cheat (only used nitro in the last section after the first long sweeping turn) These are my real stats. Maybe they can be tweaked a bit to get more speed.

 

[mcsqueegy]

You didn't have to put up the setup... the pic would've been enough . And looking at the setup, it's definitely believable, but would you like a bit of help? Okay, set both springs to 4.0. Then set rear ride height to minimum, front height maximum. Then put max downforce (63/88), and grab some super-soft race tyres. Oooohhh i'm suffering from deja vu... Maybe put just 1 TCS on as well, it won't affect much. Make sure you are still able to make the turn though! Then lengthen the gears, and that'll help your car heaps, as in, 20-30 miles at least in the long run. Feel free to question us for help

-Macca

 

[88c-v Racer]

i looked at the 300mph club chart that dark elite has, one person got the Tommy Kaira ZZII up to 380mph. how is that possible? can someone give me a setup or something? i can only get my 88c-v to 310mph.

 

[jagenigma]

You didn't have to put up the setup... the pic would've been enough . And looking at the setup, it's definitely believable, but would you like a bit of help? Okay, set both springs to 4.0. Then set rear ride height to minimum, front height maximum. Then put max downforce (63/88), and grab some super-soft race tyres. Oooohhh i'm suffering from deja vu... Maybe put just 1 TCS on as well, it won't affect much. Make sure you are still able to make the turn though! Then lengthen the gears, and that'll help your car heaps, as in, 20-30 miles at least in the long run. Feel free to question us for help

-Macca

Thanks A lot. I did notice though that when I took out the driving aids, The car accelerated more in the 6th gear. I tried getting up to 300MPH with the driving aids, I only got up to 295MPH.
Okay, with the tweaks you gave me, I got up to 324.14 MPH. But I didn't take a pic of it.

 

[Dark Elite]

Aaargh, I should've extended my leave by a few days... Sorry guys. I've just not managed to get around to it yet I should be able to tomorrow, I'm quite busy but I hope I can fit it in.

Thanks for keeping guys entertained in my 'absence', Macca!

Hi there, jagenigma, your setup looks fine - but, as Macca says, I need you to verify that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and followed them all in your run.

i looked at the 300mph club chart that dark elite has, one person got the Tommy Kaira ZZII up to 380mph. how is that possible? can someone give me a setup or something? i can only get my 88c-v to 310mph.

Something to do with massive amounts of time, experience and knowledge - oh, it's very possible. But it takes some doing, alright.

EDIT -

Maybe put just 1 TCS on as well

Ohh, get out...

DE

 

[jagenigma]

Hi there, jagenigma, your setup looks fine - but, as Macca says, I need you to verify that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and followed them all in your run.

Yeah I followed all of the rules. No ARMAX or Gameshark cheats at all, I did my test in Test track(how else is the game supposed to record the max speed?) I did not crash in to any barriers or scrape on them, I did use nitrous but it is allowed, I traveled forwards NOT backwards, None of my wheels ever left the asphalt, and the speed is in MPH. There is even picture proof.
There, I read the rules.
Woohoo!!! Hall of Fame Here I come.
I am gonna try to shoot for 370MPH but I don't have a video camera so that will be for personal glory then.

 

[Dark Elite]

There's a very good reason I state the obvious in those rules - some people ignore the obvious. Now, then, I can put your speed up on the Leaderboard - welcome to the Club!

gokrtmozrt, the same applies to you - before I put you up, I need to know that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and followed all of them during your run. Just routine, but I presume I'm better off waiting until you upload your 350mph+ video anyway?

The Nissan seems fine too, Macca - although the bodywork in front of the rear wheelarch might need replacing now, it seems to go underground in places!
That speed puts you third for the R92CP, and the Mazda is also running third. Nice work!

Leaderboard Updated

DE

 

[gokrtmozrt]

Haha ok I guess I assumed the pics or video would prove out that I had read the rules. I did read the rules through (actually read all the posts of the first few pages, then started skipping big groups ahead and reading a few pages, kinda neat to see the evolution of this thread), and followed all the rules in my runs.

Do you want runs from all different cars that I have gone over 300 with?
i guess for now can we just go with the speed in the pic DE? I have video on my phone but don't think the quality will be good enough, so I'll have to work on the uploading the video thing. Do we put the video up on youtube or a hosting site the same way as the pictures? Also is there a certain camera angle you want for the replay?

 

[Dark Elite]

It's not hard to break a huge amount of rules with a picture-'proven' speed, a video's much more reliable but I can't really ask for a video for every speed - seeing as so many people don't have the capability to upload videos to prove their speeds, they would be effectively excluded. Making it 350mph-plus proof helps root out the subtle high-speed wheelies that sometimes even the drivers themselves haven't noticed, and also allows those who can't make videos to go for records in dozens of cars that can't reach 350mph.

You're given a slot on the Leaderboard for every car you use, not just your highest speed - so, if you fancy being on it lots of times, then go ahead and post the photos
Right, okay, I'll get that one put up. Most people put their videos on YouTube, and although I think MS's technique of having a version on YouTube and an uncompressed version available for download is the best way, YouTube quality is usualllllly good enough. If it's not, you'll know about it

For most speeds, leaving the camera in the automatic 'trackside' mode, where it follows the car from one point on the track, then picks it up in another point, etc, is fine. This allows us to see the front wheels nicely in all the relevant places, from several angles. Also, have the speed/revs/gear display up as well - this helps us notice irregular behaviour through the speed changing, if it's not really visible in the video.

Cheers! 👍

Leaderboard Updated

DE

 

[MasterStorm]

Rather like getting a Tommykaira to 700mph would. So it's no mean feat!

Is that a challenge?

Maybe put just 1 TCS on as well, it won't affect much.

Although Dark Elite may not like TCS, it's actually one of the most important settings for high speed tuning. On RWD cars it affects the initial acceleration and can change what role the churchill effect plays at high speeds. On 4WD cars it adjust the ease of entry into, and the range of speeds at which 'power shakes' can occur.

i looked at the 300mph club chart that dark elite has, one person got the Tommy Kaira ZZII up to 380mph. how is that possible? can someone give me a setup or something?

It's very unlikely you'll find someone to give you a 380mph setup, or even one that's close to it. The Tommy Kaira is currently the fastest car on the leaderboard, so no-one really wants to compromise their speeds with the car. That said, I did give a long, detailed post explaining the general approach to tuning 4WD cars for high speeds a few months back, which should give you a starting point to work from. You should be aware though that tuning 4WD cars is much less predictable than RWD cars; until you have a lot of experience behind you, you'll have a lot more luck improving your speeds with RWD cars.

Do you want runs from all different cars that I have gone over 300 with?

You only need to show screen shots and/or videos for runs that you wish to appear on the leader board. Several members (including myself) have passed 300mph with additional cars, but we haven't 'officially' submitted anything for those runs. For me, I only post up record breaking runs and new cars now.

Do we put the video up on youtube or a hosting site the same way as the pictures?

Either is fine. I choose to do both, just to give people the choice. I seem to recall Dark Elite saying he preferred to be able to download the video, although you won't be penalized whichever method you choose.

Also is there a certain camera angle you want for the replay?

The generally preferred camera angle is the default replay one, but with the HUD showing. You get this by pressing square twice once the replay has started. If you are not sure about which camera angle I mean, simply check out any of my video runs.

Hope that answers everyone's questions. 👍

EDIT: I notice I spent so long crafting this reply that DE beat me 'to the punch' on much of it.

 

[mcsqueegy]

The Nissan seems fine too, Macca - although the bodywork in front of the rear wheelarch might need replacing now, it seems to go underground in places!

That speed puts you third for the R92CP, and the Mazda is also running third. Nice work!

DE

Thanks 👍, but two things: One, you accidentally put my Mazda as an RX-8 LM (god how tragic), but it was infact the RX-7. Look at the colour of it if you can't read the rest . And two, I improved the Nissan (after replacing the bodywork ), somewhere around 352.6mph, but 🤬 I think 🤬 it may have gone off the ground by millimetres, i'll check again.

It's very unlikely you'll find someone to give you a 380mph setup, or even one that's close to it. The Tommy Kaira is currently the fastest car on the leaderboard, so no-one really wants to compromise their speeds with the car. That said, I did give a long, detailed post explaining the general approach to tuning 4WD cars for high speeds a few months back, which should give you a starting point to work from. You should be aware though that tuning 4WD cars is much less predictable than RWD cars; until you have a lot of experience behind you, you'll have a lot more luck improving your speeds with RWD cars.

Hmm... almost exactly what you told me , I had a 320mph Skyline the other day, so I daresay i'll be working on that when i've finished with the 🤬 Nissan... (mutters incoherently)

-Macca

 

[Dark Elite]

One, you accidentally put my Mazda as an RX-8 LM (god how tragic), but it was infact the RX-7.

Well, bugger it, I can't read then

I swear you've edited that post again, it definitely said RX-8 when I read it

Cheers, fixed that now. And keep a tiny bit of patience with the Nissan, you'll need it if you want to get further in the Ford

EDIT - Sorry, MS, I did check for extra posts but clearly I missed that one. It's better than mine, too, so I might as well leech off it a bit

Is that a challenge?

Everything's a challenge with you, it seems

Although Dark Elite may not like TCS, it's actually one of the most important settings for high speed tuning. On RWD cars it affects the initial acceleration and can change what role the churchill effect plays at high speeds. On 4WD cars it adjust the ease of entry into, and the range of speeds at which 'power shakes' can occur.

I'll freely admit I don't like electronic AIDS (couldn't resist), but, the comments I make on them regarding high-speed tuning are just comments - I've never explored their uses and effects on speed testing, so, the fact that I don't like traction control systems doesn't mean they're not necessarily faster

I seem to recall Dark Elite saying he preferred to be able to download the video

Probably - but that likely referred to the very high-level speeds you tend to procure so often, so that I can make absolutely sure without a load of compression making it more difficult. Of course, these days, with the Tommykaira holding the top spot, extremely fine analysis of videos isn't quite so necessary. You're quite correct in saying I'm not terribly fussed for the majority of speeds, host it where you like too, just so long as it's watchable in sufficient detail

DE

 

[peugeot/citroen]

IN MY OPINION THIS IS THE FASTEST OF THEM ALL!

Coincadently this car is in the guinness book of records 2007 as being the fastest racecar ever with a top speed of 250 or something? (cant remember)

 

[Greycap]

Err... what?

 

[Dark Elite]

Care to elaborate on that one?

DE

 

[gokrtmozrt]

Well I have pushed the GTONE to 360.46 but my phone will only record 30 seconds so I will have to dig out the video camera for the replay. I tweake the setup some more and now the nose takes off around 362-363 pushing the speed to 369+, I have tried moving the weight around but it doesnt seem to help, any tweaks I do that drop it back under 360 fix the problem but it seems the fix is in less speed. But I will keep tuning!!

 

[blobbyman4]

Hey

This is my first post. =P
My Nissan R92CP can go over 300mph, I will get a picture up as soon as possible. I've read all the rules, no wheelies, hitting walls etc.

I've attached a pic of it doing 350+, but obviously its doing a wheelie =P. (The lil pic at the bottom)doesnt
count
thoughEDIT:


here you go, read all the rules, do i get on the leaderboard? sorry for the size and the quality, should be able to make it out

 

[88c-v Racer]

With almost all 4WD cars the key to achieving high speed is a trick known as the 'power shakes'. Essentially this is an aerodynamic and driving state which the car can fall into during which it experiences phenomenal acceleration. Most players first experience the power shakes when tuning a fully loaded Subaru Impreza Spec C for quick standing 400m or 1000m times. In a high speed setup, the tactic is to make the power shakes occur at a high speed rather than a low speed, and to make them last for as long as possible (in the ZZII, I can experience power shakes from 220mph right through to 380+mph).

so does the car just shake back and forth and pick up speed or is it like the wheelie glitch but just limited to how fast the car can possibly go?

 

[blobbyman4]

this sounds nooby, but can any of you top tuners get the buick special to go faster than 214mph? if yes can u post me the setup?

 

[killer450235]

Blobby,first of all,welcome to GTP.
About the car,it might be possible but if someone has the settings they will not be to willing to give you the settings.

 

[blobbyman4]

 

[Dark Elite]

Well, the car isn't capable of 300mph, whilst is is capable of speeds above 214mph. Bear in mind that this isn't a general top speed thread, and the discussions on speed tuning for cars that are well below 300mph should probably be kept elsewhere - but there are plenty of people here who could get your Buick to higher speeds.

Anyway, blobbyman4, I note in your wheelie photo that the car seems to be travelling around the track in the reverse direction, so I just need to ask you to confirm that you've read all of the rules outlined in Post #1, and followed all of them when making your run.

DE

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Blobby,first of all,welcome to GTP.
About the car,it might be possible but if someone has the settings they will not be to willing to give you the settings.

*clears throat*

Not everyone is a complete, total arse here.

Some people may be more than willing to give up 300mph settings.

Look around...