Three Hundred Miles Per Hour

[Dark Elite]

Mmm - as I said, it's not a car I'm experienced with myself. I've used it before, but a very long time ago, in the early days. Looking at that video, the ride angle and the obvious downforce are clearly components of the typical wheelie setup, but the car isn't exhibiting usual signs such as the Churchill Effect. Apart from anything else, the rear's so low that from the angle in the new video, we'd probably see it go "underground" if the front started to pick up. The speed change is completely smooth and constant, too. I'm happy with this one - it was just odd to have a replay showing the car over on the left-hand side of the track, where we can't see anything!

Please don't resent my pickiness in putting speeds up, do bear in mind that yours is the 520th one I've verified, and that little lot doesn't include all the speeds discounted because of tiny subtle wheelies that the drivers themselves haven't even noticed; not to mention those trying to pass off obviously cheating runs. Particularly with new members with whom we're not familiar, we have to make sure all the speeds that go on the Leaderboard are legitimate, and occasionally that means I have to ask for more or better verification.

So, here we go - you're on the Leaderboard in a new car, and one that'd been tried out and failed before, so, congratulations and welcome to the Club!

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DE

 

[MasterStorm]

I got back from Prague a few days ago, the full stop on a month that included graduating from university and landing a new job. Here's my thoughts on the runs from Jake795:

With the 350Z, the tight line it takes through the corner implies to me that it has sufficient front downforce to prevent a wheelie. I also spotted at least one 'Churchill dip' in the first video posted, which would lead to a more pronounced looking wheelie if one had occurred (due to continued acceleration afterwards). From this I'd say the run is valid, though it's not a car I've done more than 2 runs in (I felt it was 'possibly' capable, but was chasing the land speed record at the time).

With the 3000GT, bear in mind that it's a 4WD car, and as such it travels faster with the wheels on the ground. In fact, the car can get a reasonably good power shake going when using setting close to the standard wheelie setup, making it suited for those new to extreme 4WD tuning. One of my earliest experiences of tuning for power shakes with this car was when experimenting with front downforce to increase the turning circle. Certainly 320+ can be achieved quite readily once you hit the right basic setup.

Just to reiterate what DE said; you're a new tuner within this thread, but have posted 2 incredibly competitive speeds (one of which is a new car). Many new members to the thread misinterpret the rules and post up bogus speeds, and so whilst we are not suggesting that you are lying about the speeds, it is still worth our time to make sure that every rule has been followed. Thankfully you've been able to provide video evidence for your runs and this has aided things greatly. Given the level of competitiveness you have shown, you may find yourself having to provide videos for the majority of your runs in the future. Personally, I look forward to seeing your continued challenge in the 300mph club.

For everyone else with new speeds, congratulations on the progress you have made. 👍

 

[Dark Elite]

Thank you very much for that, MS, excellent as always.

With the 3000GT, bear in mind that it's a 4WD car, and as such it travels faster with the wheels on the ground. In fact, the car can get a reasonably good power shake going when using setting close to the standard wheelie setup, making it suited for those new to extreme 4WD tuning. One of my earliest experiences of tuning for power shakes with this car was when experimenting with front downforce to increase the turning circle. Certainly 320+ can be achieved quite readily once you hit the right basic setup.

Right - that's all the verification I need for that one. Perhaps here we have the first new member to take two records at once?

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DE

 

[the razgriz]

the razgriz, I'm afraid that video is just too low-resolution and -quality to verify a 351mph run in a car that's notorious for small wheelies. The angle and the quality combine to make it pretty much impossible to judge that one.

DE

OK. Im gonna try to get a better quality video. Sorry about that.

 

[Jake795]

Right - that's all the verification I need for that one. Perhaps here we have the first new member to take two records at once?

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DE

Thanks Guys. I did follow all the rules in the first post. I look forward to getting further along in the game so that I can get more competitive cars and go after some of those higher speeds.

Jake

 

[Falcon787B]

Hey everyone, Ive been reading this thread with interest, and once I get my memory card back of my friend, I reckon I might have a crack at this. Can someone just explain what the Churchill effect is to me? I'm sure the answer is buried somewhere in the 360 pages of this thread
But otherwise, I'll probably begin work on a Viper GTS, unless it is completly proven NOT to be able to do 300?

 

[Jake795]

Falcon,

First of all I've seen it suggested many times to start with a car that is easier the get into the 300 mph range. I'm fairly new here myself. I don't think the viper GTS is capable of getting over 300 but some of the other vipers have (with a lot of work). But one thing I recently learned is to not discount a certain car b/c someone says it can't be done
Edit: Forgot to answer your churchill question. The effect is when the front end of the car rises up and settles back down repeatedly during a run. It's usally accomplished but running a high front low rear suspension setup. Mix in varying degrees to front and rear down force to get the churchill effect into something that you can manage and won't lift the front tires off the ground.

Jake

 

[Dark Elite]

The softness of the springs is also a key factor. The Churchill Effect was so named because the car "nods" up and down, as does the Churchill dog.. Not that anyone outside the UK is likely to get this one, but it appealed to me at the time

Good answer, though, nice one 👍

DE

 

[Jake795]

It's funny b/c I always knew what the chuchill effect was, but never knew why it was called that.

Jake

 

[Rotary Junkie]

The GTS seems to pretty much hit an aerodynamic brick wall at around 260mph, with my best run being 279mph so far.

I somewhat doubt its capability to reach 300mph, but I won't say it's entirely impossible.

Oh, and my 787B Churchills like hell, but doesn't pull the tires. I did get it to do about 3 mph faster and it yanked the wheels, so it's RIGHT on the verge with the current setup.

 

[Falcon787B]

Hehe, thanks guys. I see why its called the Churchill effect now
And I dont know if the GTS can do it, Im thinking logically because the RT-10 has alrady been proven to go 300mph+ so surely the coupe, with its hard top and slightly better aerodynamics, could do it?

AJ

 

[Rotary Junkie]

It would seem... No.

At least with what I've been able to do, the GTS simply stops at 260-270 no matter what gearing is like.

 

[Jake795]

Pushed things a little further with the Mitsubishi and got another car into the 300's (Thankfully it's well under the record so I won't be harrased this time )

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg220/2008GrabberGT/IMG_0105.jpg
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg220/2008GrabberGT/IMG_0102.jpg

 

[killer450235]

328MPH in a 3000Gt!?I cant even get a speed 12 to go 300

 

[Jake795]

go buy you a 95 3000gt. If you can get your hands on a 6.2 mile car it helps. That'll get you over 300 pretty easy.

Jake

 

[Dark Elite]

Useful improvement, Jake795, and also nice work proving that your 4WD expertise extends beyond the 3000GTs! I remember when the absolute peak of Skyline speeds was below 310mph, these kids make it seem so easy nowadays...

Nicely done 👍

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DE

 

[Jake795]

Thanks. I haven't completely figured out the 4wd tweaking just yet. Still working on trying to get an imprezza onto the list. Oh and I'd like to also note that the Motul Pitwork Z is incredibly hard to get into the 300's I've gotten 303 out of it but that was on 2 wheels. The concept LM was much easier.

Jake

 

[Dark Elite]

Just a point to note out of that - MasterStorm's WRX STi Spec C Impreza is already up there, at 310.01mph. For quite a while we found it impossible, despite the obviously overpowered characteristics of the Spec C, its aerodynamics - or its lack thereof - tended to undo it around 280mph. However, it's been done, although it did surprise us a bit at first

DE

 

[RzB]

I wanted something really tough so I tried to use the Peugeot 905 Race Car but because of PD's sabotage to the car and the fact that you can't by NO2 for it... has limited it to 256.6 and I can't get it any faster..(although it should be a 5 speed cause 5 gear is it's best gear going from 190 to about 249..) the horrible shifting cause it to lose about 5 - 7 mph each shift meaning if you don't over rev to the limit in 5th, 6th gear is so bogged down you have to shift down and shift agian.. damn PD... wonder why they hate Peugeot...

 

[Falcon787B]

DE...if the Subie can be done, does it stand to reason then that the Evo can also be pushed over the magic 300?

 

[mafia_boy]

Quite simply, no it can't. The Spec-C has a ridiculous nitrous glitch that everyone here knows about. It's supposed to be 100hp but it acts like it's around 300hp or maybe 500hp, we still can't work that bit out yet. It's the main reason the Spec-C is 1/2sec faster than any other road car on the 1/4 mile but nowhere in the No Nitrous Top 10. The Evo's don't have this same luxury.
It also helps the Spec-C on the 300mph path because when you hit it around the 340km/h mark (around 211-212mph) the nitrous pushes the car that extra 100mph to the 310.01mph that MS has achieved and 300mph+ by the boys from RRV who first achieved the feat. And the 3KGT takes the honour of being the fastest Mitsu anyway.

I personally am trying to get a different Mr.Bitchy into the 300 club, the HSR II Concept (High Speed Research II). So far it's at the 465km/h mark (just off 290mph), but after I get a 400km/h FF then I'll be back chasing this car and trying to achieve my goal of joining the 300 club as a new member with a new car like Jake recently did, that or get the extra 3mph I need to catch mcsqueegy's Speed 12.

 

[mcsqueegy]

I personally am trying to get a different Mr.Bitchy into the 300 club, the HSR II Concept (High Speed Research II). So far it's at the 465km/h mark (just off 290mph), but after I get a 400km/h FF then I'll be back chasing this car and trying to achieve my goal of joining the 300 club as a new member with a new car like Jake recently did, that or get the extra 3mph I need to catch mcsqueegy's Speed 12.

Hahaha... I'd go with the HSR. No offence.

 

[mafia_boy]

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

The HSR has been a dream car of mine since I was 9yrs old and saw it at the Easter Show, that's why I'm chasing that car along.

 

[mcsqueegy]

You'll find out why I said that sooner or later... wait till tomorrow .

Mwahahahahahaha...here it is. I just cobbled it together, as you guys can tell. I'll keep at it but i'll just post pics from now on.
Now you know why I said to go with the HSR Mafs... I believe the correct term is 'owned'. I'll improve it tonight...

-Macca

 

[killer450235]

I cant seem to get my spec c to 300mph.:sad:
Can anyone tell me how to get pics from my phone to my computer?I have a pic of a 316.5 mph 300gt.

 

[mcsqueegy]

Well... you need to transfer the pics from your phone to the PC. Then, register for photobucket or imageshack so you can upload pics onto there.

Edit: Up to 322.81mph with the HSR... sorry Mafs, it's an unlucky coincedence ...

 

[Dark Elite]

Quite simply, no it can't. The Spec-C has a ridiculous nitrous glitch that everyone here knows about. It's supposed to be 100hp but it acts like it's around 300hp or maybe 500hp, we still can't work that bit out yet. It's the main reason the Spec-C is 1/2sec faster than any other road car on the 1/4 mile but nowhere in the No Nitrous Top 10. The Evo's don't have this same luxury.

Yes, the reputation of the Spec C as a "somewhat favoured" car is not unearned. The Spec C's surge of power in the midrange (nice to call speeds over 200mph the "midrange", eh? ) causes it to get the power shakes a lot earlier, allowing it some pretty ridiculous accelerative characteristics.

I personally am trying to get a different Mr.Bitchy into the 300 club, the HSR II Concept (High Speed Research II). So far it's at the 465km/h mark (just off 290mph), but after I get a 400km/h FF then I'll be back chasing this car and trying to achieve my goal of joining the 300 club as a new member with a new car like Jake recently did, that or get the extra 3mph I need to catch mcsqueegy's Speed 12.

Well, good luck with that..

I cant seem to get my spec c to 300mph

It's not an easy car to start with, by any means. There are only three on the Leaderboard, and it's not for lack of trying.

Macca, should I wait for you to upload the 322.81mph speed, or whatever else you pull out of it at a later date, or go for the 319 video on the Leaderboard?

I believe the correct term is 'owned'.

Ah come on, go easy on the guy. You'd have "owned" me too..

Oh, and.. Nice work, by the way..

DE

 

[mcsqueegy]

Umm... i've hit 323.xx now, and I can still improve. So no, not yet. I also have my Chapparal at 307, and i'll put them together anyway when i'm done 👍. I feel guilty about the HSR, I didn't expect to do so well...

-Macca

 

[Rotary Junkie]

My next project will be the 2002 STi as it also has the nitrous glitch that the Spec-C "suffers" from. Just can't get the power shakes to carry past 280 yet...

 

[Dark Elite]

Right, I'll wait for that, then

I feel guilty about the HSR, I didn't expect to do so well...

Price of success..
Did you just put a one-size-fits-all setup theory on the thing, and end up with that first speed? I'm interested because I seem to remember that the HSR-II doesn't have adjustable downforce, I think I'd just run out of things to change

DE