Time Trial #57 ...and now for something different
- Thread starter gnomefromnome
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- nowcontrol
This will be a fun fortnight, I have just got the gold at the speedway on my 4th lap with a 2:07.623, reckon i can shave off another few seconds with some more practice.
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- MrWilso92
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- Uriehusky
- Uriehusky
Higher brake balance at the front helps the car turn in on slower tighter corners (Especially true on the S bends after the main straight where you're under heavy braking)
It discourages oversteer and in this situation I found it more stable and enjoyable to drive.
Brake bias is often down to personal preference I find, that's just what worked for me and it may work for others 👍
You can map the RA Menu to a DS3 via the Controller Layout menu 👍
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- MotorCtyHamilton
Not everyone wants to play this game without tuning. To me, this marks the sign that the slow death of GT5 has now accelerated. Since PD can't seem to stop hybrids with programming, then they will just start taking away game functionality to get around them. Love the Viper, love to have a single car challenge but find this game incredibly boring if I can't tune the car to drive better for me.
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- please ask
Sadly WE ALL pay the price for just a few to enjoy hacking the cars.
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- D-Town
- GTM_ColeTrickle
Yes, an entirely gt5 without tuning would be crap. But within the TTs it's ok for me. Everyone is fighting with the same sword, no old oil stuff etc... no chappies... 
Now it's down to the driving skills. I like that....pretty much.
Now it's down to the driving skills. I like that....pretty much.
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- MotorCtyHamilton
Yes, an entirely gt5 without tuning would be crap. But within the TTs it's ok for me. Everyone is fighting with the same sword, no old oil stuff etc... no chappies...
It's not just down to driving skill. It's just not. Look at the posts about changing brake balance on the fly. People gaming the system to make cars work better for them.
No tuning only rewards those who like cars with understeer. I prefer cars with a bit of oversteer and all of my driving skills have been honed for that type of driving. So with no tuning, I cannot match a car's handling with my style of driving.
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- GTP_Orido
No ABS would help kill understeer, trail braking into a corner, I guess everything has a price to pay. Brake balance is driver specific setting not car dependent, just like in real life racing ( Super GT cars for example )
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- GTM_ColeTrickle
I got your point. And, sure, I can understand both sides. But let's see what will happen in 14 days or next month. I mean at least PD reacted pretty fast, 2 d-heads appeared on the leaderboard and in less than 24h the new TTs had to show up. So I think -for now- PD did a good job..
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I've been only playing this for a year but the way i see it underesteer seems to be an essential part of being fast in GT5. The effectiveness of brake release oversteer is an inherent "feature" of the game engine.
It's the same way the original shift has deteriorated into a drift fest.
IIRC in the last time trial you and another tuner have commented on the way fastest guys have their cars set up and how you seem not to enjoy TTs in general. It seems to me that the only way to actually combat this understeer tendency is exactly non-tunable time trials - it's just that the cars that PD provides for them should be appropriate.
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- Johnnypenso
Yet another way in which hybrids are affecting the enjoyment of the game for the many different kinds of players of the game. I like a no tuning TT once in a while myself but at the same time I think they could easily set up 1 TT with both a "tuning" and a "no tuning" leaderboard quite easily. If it turns out they limit TT's to no tuning from now on as a way to combat the plague of hybrids, that's just a mistake in the other direction with a bandaid solution. Throwing out the baby with the bathwater so to speak. 👎
Because you might be able to hack a Mk IV GT1 RM to 750PP with 5000 HP the same way this guy hacked an EVO to get into a 550PP room with 3300+ HP. The PP system is designed to work within the tuning limits provided by the original parameters of the game, not the paramters that hacking make possible.
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- GTP_iainoflo
We don't know if this is the way they are combatting the hyrbids - it's only 1 more TT that is tuning prohibited and it's been since the hyrids starting to spread like a virus. Wait and see if it continues and if it does it will ruin the Seasonals even more - the event seasonals are ruined now from SRF being forced on, on every one since Christmas. Now people are complaining that there is tuning prohibited TTs because they can't win by using a magic tune, or by using a dirty oil 2J. I think people just like complaining - this is not only a way of addressing the Hybrids, but a way of addressing the use of cars like the 2J, which have been complained about in TTs numerous times over numerous threads.
It seems that whatever PD do people will complain, and they complain again when PD don't listen. They just can't win - people were praising the Corvette C7 TT that was like these ones, but there were also many people complaining. But at least there wasn't dirty oil cars that were topping the leaderboard like the 2J or the GSX-R/4. And I remember during the time that TT was live people were hoping that this was the direction that TTs were going in, more tuning prohibited TTs with stock cars provided by PD.
And as has been said on the first page, this thread is not a place to vent about the fact that this TT is tuning prohibited, and not a place to discuss the fact that hyrbids won't be able to participate and that cheating will not be allowed in this TT. Too right, this is not the place for it, as per usual the discussion of hybrids finds its way into the conversation regularly and I think the more we discuss the more exposure they get and the more people will think they're cool.
But as for the TT I shall still give it a go - I like driving stock cars, and I agree that it does level the field - this time people won't be copying the top time's tunes or relying on their own and the only way to get higher up the leaderboard is to be a fast driver. People who say this doesn't level the playing field are wrong and simply have a different driving style to what stock cars provide and end up tuning a car to suit them, this often results in them not being as fast because they've had to compromise on certain elements to adjust to the car which could have made the car faster.
You will still have the fastest drivers placing at the top, but at least they got there with the same car and setup as everyone else - and changing the BB will not necessarily make you faster, it's just the only thing that will make the car most agreeable with your style and has always been a personal preference.
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- GTP_iainoflo
The fastest drivers adapt their driving style to suit the car
Yes, I've had to learn that lesson.
First few laps I did on the GVS-R one and I got a 2:04.977 - I can go faster because I was being a bit easy on the throttle because it was so sensitive, but not as fast as Amo.
I was using a BB of 4 7 as well. Front bias just had no turn-in at all.
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I must admit it took me a good few laps to get the technique for driving this car fast, the only place I'm faster than Amo at the moment is turn 2 but I've done a 2'00.9 for 7th. I'm using a BB of 5/6 at the moment but have just been focusing on driving fast for now before I play around with adjusting it more
