Time Trial #69 | 650pp 2WD Racing Cars @ Spa Francorchamps

[Dalone]

When I watch the replay of the guy in 1st position, I see that he gets up to 330km/h on the long straight after Eau Rouge. Yet I'm only getting 317 km/h!? Any suggestions? (The revs are just hitting red-line at that speed, not yet on the limiter.)

I'll be interested to see what suggestions are offered about that.

And Stewy, tried your tune but couldn't improve on my time and honestly didn't feel it was better than Pmjg's, which I have changed back to.
To be fair though I didn't spend a great deal of time with it so I'm sure there are others who would likely do well with it as without doubt it is a good one.

 

[Cb]

When I watch the replay of the guy in 1st position, I see that he gets up to 330km/h on the long straight after Eau Rouge. Yet I'm only getting 317 km/h!? Any suggestions? (The revs are just hitting red-line at that speed, not yet on the limiter.)

It is because of the dirty oil... It allows more hp at same PP

 

[Jaywalker]

It is because of the dirty oil... It allows more hp at same PP

My car has dirty oil. Should I add the stage 2 turbo & limit power?

 

[Cb]

My car has dirty oil. Should I add the stage 2 turbo & limit power?

I am not joining the 2J time trial, so I don't really know. But I would say go with the horsepowers.

According to the dirty Oil, there's a huge difference between a car with 5000miles and a car with 50000miles. So I guess you need to get dirtier oil to keep up with him on the straight.

 

[Dalone]

My car has dirty oil. Should I add the stage 2 turbo & limit power?

Jay, you should definitely try the race with a mid range turbo. Clearly if you have tried it without a turbo you would be doing yourself no favours by not trying things which some others have found to be beneficial.

You don't have to stick with it, just try it and see what you think. Personally I am using pmjg's tune which includes a mid range turbo and I found it beneficial.

As for dirty oil, I think I read a thread here somewhere that at some stage really dirty oil does not improve performance, but I can't remember what the cut off point is if there is one.

 

[Jaywalker]

Jay, you should definitely try the race with a mid range turbo. Clearly if you have tried it without a turbo you would be doing yourself no favours by not trying things which some others have found to be beneficial.

You don't have to stick with it, just try it and see what you think. Personally I am using pmjg's tune which includes a mid range turbo and I found it beneficial.

As for dirty oil, I think I read a thread here somewhere that at some stage really dirty oil does not improve performance, but I can't remember what the cut off point is if there is one.

Yeah, you're right. I'll give it a go. 👍 I did a 2.06.3xx with 614 Bhp. I also blew a lap that was 0.6s quicker ON THE LAST CHICANE! Came up with a few new swear words there...

 

[Cb]

As for dirty oil, I think I read a thread here somewhere that at some stage really dirty oil does not improve performance, but I can't remember what the cut off point is if there is one.

EDIT... Was too fast..

I doubt there is a cut off point, but I'm not sure

 

[Doodle]

EDIT... Was too fast..

I doubt there is a cut off point, but I'm not sure

I think what it is, is that the more miles you rack up, the harder it gets to improve the performance.

 

[Mikegermany1]

That's me done for the morning no improvement, still 2.05.551 position 281 but getting close to beating my time.Car is on share for anyone to try psn id stewyripper

Hi mate just Sent you a friend request on ps3
Thanks

 

[Mangog7117]

I have been using the Peugeot Playstation car and it cannot do better than 2nd place. My best time so far is 2:17:47. I see that everyone who is winning is using the Chaparral 2J car is that the only one that will go under 2 minutes 10 seconds? I thought the Minolta or the Jaguar would be better at the time trial but they seem to be too squirrely with the racing/hard tires. Any tuning tips anyone?

 

[GTsail]

I have been using the Peugeot Playstation car and it cannot do better than 2nd place. My best time so far is 2:17:47. I see that everyone who is winning is using the Chaparral 2J car is that the only one that will go under 2 minutes 10 seconds?

The following are good alternatives (but slower) if you don't have the Chaparral 2J:

Toyota GT-ONE '99
Mazda 787B Race Car '91
Peugeot 905 Race Car '92

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[Mangog7117]

Thanks GTsail290, I am trying the 787B race car now. I have 350 cars in my garage after extensive playing but never adjust them beyond the turbo kits really. Is more down force on the tail a factor in this particular race or does having the most engine power the best? The hard tires seem to cause the back end to sway far out on the tight curves. Thanks to all responses I usually stay away from forums but this game is so incredible I figured what the heck.

 

[GTsail]

I am trying the 787B race car now. Is more down force on the tail a factor in this particular race or does having the most engine power the best?

Welcome to GTPlanet!

I haven't tried any other car except the Chaparral 2J for this Spa Time Trial, so I can't really comment too much about the tuning for the Mazda 787B, but I suspect that more downforce would be better to allow you to carry more speed thru the turns (sacrificing some speed up the Camel straight).

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[Polsixe]

@Mangog7117. Try the Praiano tune site, he's a genius who has great suspensions tunes, some toe, camber and other settings that really stabilize MR high powered cars, almost like ASM on. The BMW McLaren topped out rather than a detuned LMP can do gold. The 2J is a 720pp car given a 650pp setting as a PD Easter egg.

 

[Teitzy]

Just checked the leader board and I see pmjg & I have clocked Identical times (104.121) using identical cars (I have pmjg's 2J on loan)

Think I can find another 0.3-0.5 sec if I can finish a clean lap (only got 2 in an hour & half last night).

 

[Dalone]

I have been using the Peugeot Playstation car and it cannot do better than 2nd place. My best time so far is 2:17:47. I see that everyone who is winning is using the Chaparral 2J car is that the only one that will go under 2 minutes 10 seconds? I thought the Minolta or the Jaguar would be better at the time trial but they seem to be too squirrely with the racing/hard tires. Any tuning tips anyone?

When I last loaded my 2J ghost from Spa, further down the list there was a 2:06 time I did in my Toyota GT-ONE some time ago.

So if I can do a 2:06 in one I expect many race cars could do similar and likely far better.

PS, you could try some Traction Control to resist the wheel spin movement.

EDIT..Small improvement to 2:05.852 however have been up 5 tenths on the bottom run home so there is more to get yet.

 

[HOOT44]

When I watch the replay of the guy in 1st position, I see that he gets up to 330km/h on the long straight after Eau Rouge. Yet I'm only getting 317 km/h!? Any suggestions? (The revs are just hitting red-line at that speed, not yet on the limiter.)

I think the exit speed from Eau Rouge is decisive - don't brake & try not to gear down there. Before I start braking into Les Combes I am usually around 320km/h or a tad over, but I slow down a lot for the mid Eau Rouge.
The top guys also brake really late into the Les Combes and sliding into it too, so they stay on power longer.
Try lenghtening 3rd gear a touch.

 

[Jaywalker]

I think the exit speed from Eau Rouge is decisive - don't brake & try not to gear down there. Before I start braking into Les Combes I am usually around 320km/h or a tad over, but I slow down a lot for the mid Eau Rouge.
The top guys also brake really late into the Les Combes and sliding into it too, so they stay on power longer.
Try lenghtening 3rd gear a touch.

Cheers, mate. I'll give that a go. My car's now over 700Bhp & with pmjg's tune, it's still under 320 km/h on the straight. That ghost just leaves me for dead!

Are the sub 2.02 times legit?

 

[billers]

I have also borrowed pmjg's 2j and have a 2.03.3xx the the moment, made a couple of changes to the camber and great ratios I think. I'll post it if anyone would find it helpful?!

 

[Dalone]

I have also borrowed pmjg's 2j and have a 2.03.3xx the the moment, made a couple of changes to the camber and great ratios I think. I'll post it if anyone would find it helpful?!

2:03.3? Yes, please post your changes Billers.

 

[billers]

2:03.3? Yes, please post your changes Billers.

Yeah just checked and it's 2.03.387, position 66 for the time being anyway.

I changed the camber to 3.0 / 2.2, lsd settings to 6/18/10 and the brake balance to 7/6. Personally I lengthened 2nd gear a touch so I didn't have to grab 3rd before the hairpin in sector 2, may not work for everyone though.

I'm also only running 704hp at the moment with 80kgs of ballast, think I may need a bit more grunt to improve further! The rest of the settings came with the car. Hope this may help a few people?

 

[Jaywalker]

Thanks, billiers. 👍 Must try those changes...

 

[lemans2005]

Just got gold in a GT3 spec Ford GT test car spec II (550ps/1180kg).

 

[skyline1683]

Just improved from a 2.04.300 to 2.04.128 but was so over cautious in last section lost at least 0.3
Adjusted my tune slightly aswell cars back on share if any one wants to give it another go

 

[waddy2001]

Thanks, billiers. 👍 Must try those changes...

Your time is way better than mine Jay but I noticed if I left out the turbo and changed the gearing a bit, the leader didn't run away on the straight that you're talking about. He was ahead but I was able to stay with him, maybe creep up a little. He lost me later on, obviously, but I got my best time so far that way. If I get it set up better, I'll put it on share for you and Dr.

(Did you guys notice someone who asked for tunes, got them, but never gave anything back? Will you never learn? Hahaha )

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Your time is way better than mine Jay but I noticed if I left out the turbo and changed the gearing a bit, the leader didn't run away on the straight that you're talking about. He was ahead but I was able to stay with him, maybe creep up a little. He lost me later on, obviously, but I got my best time so far that way. If I get it set up better, I'll put it on share for you and Dr.

(Did you guys notice someone who asked for tunes, got them, but never gave anything back? Will you never learn? Hahaha )

And who might that be?

 

[Dalone]

And who might that be?

I was wondering earlier where you were.

Do you have a time for a completed lap yet, it closes in a week and you'll miss out. Surely you've had time to work out a tune, or use a borrowed one from here, I posted pmjg's earlier which is a pretty good one going by what those who are using it say.

 

[suba1960]

I borrowed pmjg's 2j with the last setup i think and i did 2.05.897 (red lap 2.05.248) with my ds3 after some changes..

ballast 80/50 (was 62/-44)
torque 43/57 (was 50/50)
turbo 2 (was no turbo)
power 91.9% (was 100%)
712 hp-901kgr-650pp (was 728hp-883kgr-650pp)
No other changes...i ll try again later with different TC and ABS
i gave that setup to a friend of mine (wheel driver) to test it in his car (721hp-901kgr-650pp) and he did 2.02.5xx!!!

thanks a lot pmjg for share his car

 

[Jaywalker]

Your time is way better than mine Jay but I noticed if I left out the turbo and changed the gearing a bit, the leader didn't run away on the straight that you're talking about. He was ahead but I was able to stay with him, maybe creep up a little. He lost me later on, obviously, but I got my best time so far that way. If I get it set up better, I'll put it on share for you and Dr.

Cheers Waddy. 👍 Aiming for low 2.05's for now. I'll give it some more time later...

 

[Dalone]

I borrowed pmjg's 2j with the last setup i think and i did 2.05.897 (red lap 2.05.248) with my ds3 after some changes..

ballast 80/50 (was 62/-44)
torque 43/57 (was 50/50)
turbo 2 (was no turbo)
power 91.9% (was 100%)
712 hp-901kgr-650pp (was 728hp-883kgr-650pp)
No other changes...i ll try again later with different TC and ABS
i gave that setup to a friend of mine (wheel driver) to test it in his car (721hp-901kgr-650pp) and he did 2.02.5xx!!!

thanks a lot pmjg for share his car

That must be Pmjg's 3rd tune as the one I'm using has high range turbo but his 1st tune had mid range (turbo 2).

Torque 43/57? Do you mean ballast position?

With pmjg's high range turbo I'm getting .5 sec on the last section, sometimes. Think I did the same with the mid range turbo though.

The 2:02 time Suba suggests a wheel may make us all superstars here, sadly, I expect our skill levels are the main factor.
Makes one want to save up though.