Time Trial Discussion

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zjn
I was going to ask Dan_Tes similar things...

I was having a 30.5X with Praiano (the old setup, not sure how different it is from the one he just posted), and gave it a try to @W1gglyStyl3
I found they have same similarities in terms of drivability with W1gglyStyl3 a bit more nervous in the tail, but in some sort of predictability, handy for me.
I did not improbe my ideal that much (maybe couple of 1/100s in sector 2), but was more consisted in putting the lap togheter, and I'm not at 30.1

I still have to learn a bit both the track (T5, corkscrew, T9 mostly) and the way to use this setup more in general.

@Gomario JSP : you say short gearing. Does it mean that you need to change gears more than wanted? I have the opposite feeling: I'm mostly in 2nd, 3rd. Using 1st just for the last turn and 4th just for main straight (and maybe in my way up to the corkscrew). I'm wondering if it make sense to shorten a bit the gearing to have a bit more spark, just a bit, if it's too much maybe the tail happy becomes less predictable, but then saw your post. Are we driving the same car?!? I don't think that your faster time alone is an explanation of these different feelings. Or maybe it is, 2sec are quite an ocean.

@Dan_Tes : it would be great if you can share your lap or the gears you use in the different turns

I think it's time for me to stick to this setup, otherwise I'll dissipate time to adapt instead of improve.
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I ran about 10 laps or so with Kie25's tune (from YT) and was able to get one really good lap in for 1:28.7. I feel with some more effort I could probably shave another 0.5-1.0 off of that time. Just need some better timing in some of the corners, especially the last one.

This tune was pretty stable with great turn-in. Also, with the way this gearing is set up you can run almost the entire lap in 3rd or 4th gear which minimizes downshifting and allows you to carry more speed through the turns. Slow-in, fast-out definitely needed with this combo.
 
1:28.39x

I set that time several days ago and then burned out. I hit my goal, but I've got that nagging, silly sensation to shift the goal posts slightly. I kinda want a 1:27.9 now.

I went Grand Valley Highway to get a better feel for the Mustang and learn the circuit. The Mustang's lack of grip under throttle had traumatized me so much that I was slower when I swapped out to other cars that could actually put more power down... on sports hards :lol:

If I come back to this, I'll experiment with lower front downforce for less drag and taller gearing for more stability. I'm running a Priano style (yay!) high rake suspension, but I suspect I may have an unnecessary amount of front downforce. My Mustang is skittish in the last flowing high speed corners after the corkscrew. Hard to say if that's an overly aggressive aero set-up issue or an inherent handling quirk of the car, because again, the Mustang has shockingly bad traction when you want turn and accelerate at the same time, even at speeds where the downforce should have just kicked in (yo).

I drove a lot of Gr.1 cars yesterday. Returning to the Mustang after them will be... interesting :lol:
 
rheinaoi
1:28.39x

I set that time several days ago and then burned out. I hit my goal, but I've got that nagging, silly sensation to shift the goal posts slightly. I kinda want a 1:27.9 now.
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Yeah, I get you. I really want to get into the 1:27s. Means shaving 0.8 off my time, but might be a fun project for next weekend.

If I come back to this, I'll experiment with lower front downforce for less drag and taller gearing for more stability. I'm running a Priano style (yay!) high rake suspension, but I suspect I may have an unnecessary amount of front downforce. My Mustang is skittish in the last flowing high speed corners after the corkscrew. Hard to say if that's an overly aggressive aero set-up issue or an inherent handling quirk of the car, because again, the Mustang has shockingly bad traction when you want turn and accelerate at the same time, even at speeds where the downforce should have just kicked in (yo).
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Yeah the big irony here is Praiano didn't use a big rake on his tune for this event, yet I think it's better with the large rake. I'm using Kie's tune and overall it's pretty smooth. Although I might do a little experimentation just for fun. What tune are you using?
 
2Quickrides
115F 190R for his RH tires one and 130F 190R for the newest one. While not as much as some others, that's still a significant rake.
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Yeah, I tried his newest one that he posted yesterday. I've used a lot of his tunes (and I love them), but I was just commenting that he typically has his rake set similar to what Kie has on his, and I found it ironic that in this case he doesn't.
 
luv2drive
Yeah the big irony here is Praiano didn't use a big rake on his tune for this event, yet I think it's better with the large rake. I'm using Kie's tune and overall it's pretty smooth. Although I might do a little experimentation just for fun. What tune are you using?
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I'm using my own mismatched tune:

  • Low End Supercharger
  • High rake 100/190
  • Stiff front suspension and ARBs, (3.0 / 9)
  • Mushy rear suspension and ARBs (2.4 / 4)
  • Aero 120/215
  • Ballast all the way to the back

When I got to the dampers, I gave up. I felt the car began to ignore setup changes - it sensed that I wished to make it not fundamentally awful.

I'm seriously tempted to go 10 / 1 on the ARBs.
 
I've been using @praiano63 's tune, and tried his new one - handled a bit like a shopping trolley for me, whereas the original tune felt quite planted.

I put the new tune gearing on the (slightly modified) original tune, although I had to change the final drive ratio as I was hitting the limiter at the end of the start/finish straight.

Anyway, it felt faster, but after 2 hours I only managed to knock 0.03 seconds off my time 😂

Guess silver is as good as I'm going to get on this one......
 
Took me a while to get used to Praiano’s tune but damn it was helpful.

My very first timed lap on the Laguna Seca Mustang GT ‘15 online TT was a rather poor 1:32.965 and had no finesse or control whatsoever. Applying the tune helped dramatically and I eventually managed to beat the 1:29‘s - managed a 1:28.798! (That was straight after a 1:29.043).

I reckon I could go faster still as I felt I was a tad cautious on the first section but I seemed to find quite a bit of time on the latter section after the corkscrew. I just hope the gold doesn’t move anymore or in anymore large amounts knowing these time trials.

I wish good luck to those trying to push to the next reward - whether it’s gold, silver or bronze - this one is certainly more difficult but get it right and I think it’s very rewarding.
 
Holy crappamoly! My previous best had been last night at a 1:28.729. I set that with @sdi_03's already fast tune. Then I stuck on @W1gglyStyl3's. I about pooped my pants after putting down a 1:27.90x on my FIRST lap. It wasn't perfect by any means, and took another 11 laps, but I improved it by another tenth to 1:27.801. That is going to be tough to improve upon, but I'll sure as heck take it even if I don't end up any faster.

I'm on DS4, X for gas, square for brake, L2 and R2 for shifting, CSM strong (I hate using aids, but it worked like a charm here). If anyone is interested, I shared my replay. My PSN name is DolphDrago.
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Dolph Drago
Holy crappamoly! My previous best had been last night at a 1:28.729. I set that with @sdi_03's already fast tune. Then I stuck on @W1gglyStyl3's. I about pooped my pants after putting down a 1:27.90x on my FIRST lap. It wasn't perfect by any means, and took another 11 laps, but I improved it by another tenth to 1:27.801. That is going to be tough to improve upon, but I'll sure as heck take it even if I don't end up any faster.

I'm on DS4, X for gas, square for brake, L2 and R2 for shifting, CSM strong (I hate using aids, but it worked like a charm here). If anyone is interested, I shared my replay. My PSN name is DolphDrago.
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Holy crappamoly!, that is fast!, top 200 right there, you should be proud of that!

I had a 30 minute session this morning with the SDI/W1ggly but i was all over the place, and NO were near my PB, drove mid 28's as best, missing all apexes... on DS4 to, but without the aids, maby i should try it on with this tune

and suddenly i have a new enemy....., corner 4 :lol:

maby tomorrow i have more luck, we will see :lol::lol:
 
Gomario JSP
Holy crappamoly!, that is fast!, top 200 right there, you should be proud of that!

I had a 30 minute session this morning with the SDI/W1ggly but i was all over the place, and NO were near my PB, drove mid 28's as best, missing all apexes... on DS4 to, but without the aids, maby i should try it on with this tune

and suddenly i have a new enemy....., corner 4 :lol:

maby tomorrow i have more luck, we will see :lol::lol:
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i also get corner 4 wrong but only about 75% of the time
 
Proof that you don't have to be fast to get a good finish at Spa - I didn't quite complete my qualifying lap before time ran out, hence I started in last place.

Watched a few people going off track, getting penalties, quitting, and I finished in 8th place. The winner's fastest laptime was 6.5 seconds faster than mine! 😳

I do love driving Gr2 cars, but I obviously find it easier to be consistent than fast in them.
 
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.

The investigation will take a driver's average finishing position (by percentile to account for different quantum of participants across different TTs; removing the worst one result as an outlier) and compare that to the current position (percentile again) of the driver in the current TT. I will include my own and am hoping to include some other regulars.

Therefore, let me know if I may use your statistics - they are available publicly, but I guess I am processing them, so prefer to have your permission. People I had in mind are below; feel free to add your name if I missed you off.
  • If you are okay for ne to use your statistics, please provide your GT7 NICKNAME (not PS username)
  • If your username is not unique, I won't be able to include your results (I wouldn't know which of ten John Does you are as I have only nicknames in my dataset, not unique IDs)

@Gomario JSP @Dolph Drago @Blayney @zaxs @tALEz @luv2drive @rheinaoi @2Quickrides @Lomic @kowalski__1 @hyperspeed980 @zjn @Dan_Tes @Vule @NevilleNobody @AstroVex @TumeK5 @MidnightRun85 @Leon Kowalski (or are you the same person as @kowalski__1 ?) @Tommy_D @Uday9479 @Ian JB @tmtk @Barareklam


* I'm not getting into the pad vs DS4 vs which buttons on the pad you drive with vs wheel vs basic wheel vs Fanatec debate; too deep a well for my liking!
 
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half_sourly
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.

The investigation will take a driver's average finishing position (by percentile to account for different quantum of participants across different TTs; removing the worst one result as an outlier) and compare that to the current position (percentile again) of the driver in the current TT. I will include my own and am hoping to include some other regulars.

Therefore, let me know if I may use your statistics - they are available publicly, but I guess I am processing them, so prefer to have your permission. People I had in mind are below; feel free to add your name if I missed you off.
  • If you are okay for ne to use your statistics, please provide your GT7 NICKNAME (not PS username)
  • If your username is not unique, I won't be able to include your results (I wouldn't know which of ten John Does you are as I have only nicknames in my dataset, not unique IDs)

@Gomario JSP @Dolph Drago @Blayney @zaxs @tALEz @luv2drive @rheinaoi @2Quickrides @Lomic @kowalski__1 @hyperspeed980 @zjn @Dan_Tes @Vule @NevilleNobody @AstroVex @TumeK5 @MidnightRun85 @Leon Kowalski (or are you the same person as @kowalski__1 ?) @Tommy_D @Uday9479 @Ian JB @tmtk @Barareklam


* I'm not getting into the pad vs DS4 vs which buttons on the pad you drive with vs wheel vs basic wheel vs Fanatec debate; too deep a well for my liking!
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I think i started seriously with the TT civic type R in trial mountain, therefor was the Escudo i guess?, but don't think i participated in that, or just setted a lap,but i grew overtime and got better, indeed tru reading this forum, so i think you are right :lol:

but by all means use the statistics, user name should be the same :)
 
half_sourly
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.

The investigation will take a driver's average finishing position (by percentile to account for different quantum of participants across different TTs; removing the worst one result as an outlier) and compare that to the current position (percentile again) of the driver in the current TT. I will include my own and am hoping to include some other regulars.

Therefore, let me know if I may use your statistics - they are available publicly, but I guess I am processing them, so prefer to have your permission. People I had in mind are below; feel free to add your name if I missed you off.
  • If you are okay for ne to use your statistics, please provide your GT7 NICKNAME (not PS username)
  • If your username is not unique, I won't be able to include your results (I wouldn't know which of ten John Does you are as I have only nicknames in my dataset, not unique IDs)

@Gomario JSP @Dolph Drago @Blayney @zaxs @tALEz @luv2drive @rheinaoi @2Quickrides @Lomic @kowalski__1 @hyperspeed980 @zjn @Dan_Tes @Vule @NevilleNobody @AstroVex @TumeK5 @MidnightRun85 @Leon Kowalski (or are you the same person as @kowalski__1 ?) @Tommy_D @Uday9479 @Ian JB @tmtk @Barareklam


* I'm not getting into the pad vs DS4 vs which buttons on the pad you drive with vs wheel vs basic wheel vs Fanatec debate; too deep a well for my liking!
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You have my permission of course, I love your works on statistics, it is always so interesting to see. While I am answering you, are you on SDI's tune? and can you share your latest lap since you reached some Alien time it would be nice to see it. Thanks.

@sdi_03 can you plese share your latest lap, I think you improved your time since you posted your lap, so if it is ok I would like to see the fastest one so far, and thank you again for your tune!
 
half_sourly
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.

The investigation will take a driver's average finishing position (by percentile to account for different quantum of participants across different TTs; removing the worst one result as an outlier) and compare that to the current position (percentile again) of the driver in the current TT. I will include my own and am hoping to include some other regulars.

Therefore, let me know if I may use your statistics - they are available publicly, but I guess I am processing them, so prefer to have your permission. People I had in mind are below; feel free to add your name if I missed you off.
  • If you are okay for ne to use your statistics, please provide your GT7 NICKNAME (not PS username)
  • If your username is not unique, I won't be able to include your results (I wouldn't know which of ten John Does you are as I have only nicknames in my dataset, not unique IDs)

@Gomario JSP @Dolph Drago @Blayney @zaxs @tALEz @luv2drive @rheinaoi @2Quickrides @Lomic @kowalski__1 @hyperspeed980 @zjn @Dan_Tes @Vule @NevilleNobody @AstroVex @TumeK5 @MidnightRun85 @Leon Kowalski (or are you the same person as @kowalski__1 ?) @Tommy_D @Uday9479 @Ian JB @tmtk @Barareklam


* I'm not getting into the pad vs DS4 vs which buttons on the pad you drive with vs wheel vs basic wheel vs Fanatec debate; too deep a well for my liking!
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You can use my statistics of course, Vule is the username on GT7, RS_Vule on PSN.

Mind you, I started to take TT seriously from Escudo/Willow challenge so I don't know how well I will stand in general, but let's see :D
 
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Vule
You can use my statistics of course, Vule is the username on GT7, RS_Vule on PSN.

Mind you, I started to take TT seriously from Escudo/Willow challenge so I don't know how well I will stand in general, but let's see :D
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Thanks. I might take your data just from TT10 ('ring in the Gr.3; two TTs before Escudo/Willow) because from there your average percentile is 3.35% and before then it is 26.71%. Including those early ones will skew it too much.
 
half_sourly
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.

The investigation will take a driver's average finishing position (by percentile to account for different quantum of participants across different TTs; removing the worst one result as an outlier) and compare that to the current position (percentile again) of the driver in the current TT. I will include my own and am hoping to include some other regulars.

Therefore, let me know if I may use your statistics - they are available publicly, but I guess I am processing them, so prefer to have your permission. People I had in mind are below; feel free to add your name if I missed you off.
  • If you are okay for ne to use your statistics, please provide your GT7 NICKNAME (not PS username)
  • If your username is not unique, I won't be able to include your results (I wouldn't know which of ten John Does you are as I have only nicknames in my dataset, not unique IDs)

@Gomario JSP @Dolph Drago @Blayney @zaxs @tALEz @luv2drive @rheinaoi @2Quickrides @Lomic @kowalski__1 @hyperspeed980 @zjn @Dan_Tes @Vule @NevilleNobody @AstroVex @TumeK5 @MidnightRun85 @Leon Kowalski (or are you the same person as @kowalski__1 ?) @Tommy_D @Uday9479 @Ian JB @tmtk @Barareklam


* I'm not getting into the pad vs DS4 vs which buttons on the pad you drive with vs wheel vs basic wheel vs Fanatec debate; too deep a well for my liking!
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I may skew the results a bit to the lower end as I'm certainly not the quickest but I regularely take part in the TTs and follow this thread, so if you want to include my data: ikon313 :)
 
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half_sourly
For this fortnight's mid-TT stats I thought I'd investigate the 'Time-Trial-Discussion-thread-reader' advantage. Where TTs do not allow tuning, every driver is on equal footing* with all other drivers, but where tuning is allowed, I hypothesise that there is a benefit to being a regular reader of this thread.
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For sure you can do (GT7 user ZZI)

Just a side note.... I would call myself a regular reader of this thread, but I really have little time to implement all the really, really, good conversation I read here.

I had in mind a question for the community, and I guess this is a good moment to throw it out.
How many km do you spend on the TT to get your result?
I don't recall my figures exactly, but by memory I'd say I am 30.1X with about 210Km in the belt.

Aliens/Half-aliens apart, I think that discussing here is really important to get improvement directions, but km are key to implement them.
 
zjn
How many km do you spend on the TT to get your result?
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Depends. On this one I've done around 300 miles to date; will probably do a few more 50-100 mile sessions. Some I did loads, example Nürburgring Nordschleife in the Nissan NSX Type R '02 I must have done around 2,000 miles, but that is a guess. Of course with all the crashing those 2,000 miles yielded about 5 completed laps!
Ian JB
No problem at all with using mine.
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Thanks Ian. What is your GT7 nickname?
 

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