Time Trial Discussion

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Alright, I've smashed RBR (1:38.951) and Fuji (1:39.984) trials, now I have a few days to practice the Olympic one.






Currently at 1:16.329, and optimal is almost flat 1:16. I can see where I can improve the time, but it is difficult to combine everything into one perfect lap. The target is 1:15.950, and I hope it is going to be enough.

 
@Barareklam @Dan_Tes @zjn

After all the frustration laps with the sudden lock understeer action on the slower corners i just bought another controller did about 30-ish laps on Deep Forrest this morning, alarm at O six hundred, poured myself a nice Lungo and shredded the hell out of the GR010 tires, TCS 0 gave me an optimum 1:16.6xx, last sector time of 48.9xx, i was so hyped that i stuffed op the last corner and trew it all away, that was a nice lap :banghead: :lol: :banghead:

Focus was kind of gone then, but restarted with TCS1 again trying to keep in the flow, then finally into the 16'
and pushed out 1:16.8xx :):)

My goals was getting in the 16' cause fast high downforced is just not my strength, i'm a roadcar dude :lol:

But happy, and ofcourse i'll try till the end!


I'm happy you solved your issue with the controller and were able to nail down this great lap! :cheers:

High downforce cars are difficult to me. They require a completely different approach, but also generate different feedback on my G29.
It's definetly needed less input to generate the same quantity of rotation, therefore the G29 deadzone is coming more into the picture.
Also, keeping the same wheel settings, I feel the wheel heavier than when driving Gr3/4 or street cars. Plus feedback of grip loose is less evident.

To try to use numbers to explain the feeling, having 0 for wheel completely soft and 10 for completely heavy, and keeping the same wheel configuration:
Gr1: normal feeling 8, feeling under grip loss 6
Gr3/4: normal feeling 6, feeling under grip loss 2
Street car: normal feeling 5, feeling under grip loss 1

The combination of the effects less rotation of the wheel + more sensitivity requested to react to grip feedback makes the progress much more slow and requires much more laps to get used to.
Then the downforce comes into the picture, and my brain refuse to accept the fact that high speed corners can be easy braking less.

I think I'm done with it, I don't have enough time to keep the peace with the triple TT (and also I'd like to RaceC a bit this week), so for this time you are winning on me.

Next time I will get the edge!!!

Ok..., I know..., this last one smells of "Next week I start the diet" or "tomorrow I quit smoking" 😜
 
@Barareklam @Dan_Tes @zjn

After all the frustration laps with the sudden lock understeer action on the slower corners i just bought another controller did about 30-ish laps on Deep Forrest this morning, alarm at O six hundred, poured myself a nice Lungo and shredded the hell out of the GR010 tires, TCS 0 gave me an optimum 1:16.6xx, last sector time of 48.9xx, i was so hyped that i stuffed op the last corner and trew it all away, that was a nice lap :banghead: :lol: :banghead:

Focus was kind of gone then, but restarted with TCS1 again trying to keep in the flow, then finally into the 16'
and pushed out 1:16.8xx :):)

My goals was getting in the 16' cause fast high downforced is just not my strength, i'm a roadcar dude :lol:

But happy, and ofcourse i'll try till the end!


Wow, great lap !

So was your blue GT7 controller that was mailfunctioning? You bought a new one, no problems with new one?
 
I thought I was safe in RBR with a 1:40.3xx, it was quite the surprise to find myself 0.01% from dropping to silver.

Just finished a session and managed a 1:39.570.
I’m really happy with the time and didn’t expect to get anything close to that.

I’ve been trying to play a bit each day to improve, and the consistency is paying off :)
 
Yeah, it’s just ridiculous. But I totally share the exact same opinion as you. I hate the fact that you can go faster driving that way on Gran Turismo but I take my hat off to the guys who can do that. To predict that kind of behaviour of a certain car to every specific corner takes a lot of effort and practice of course. But you have to forget everything you know from the real world. And if you have to forget the real world, well, that’s not the “Real Driving Simulator” 🤣
From my personal side I always try to be as fast as I can in the most realistic way of driving a car on a race track. That’s the most important thing for me.
What's so unrealistic about it exactly? It looks out of control to you maybe, but how does that make it not realistic? Have you seen Honda's latest Type R video around the Ring? ... there's a lot of GT7 time trial vibe in the way the driver is sliding and oversteering around almost every corner so aggressively, it's honestly amazing to watch.

Now the sausage curb physics manipulation from the last TT? THAT I hate, and wish that kind of thing were not part of the TT.

 
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Wow, great lap !

So was your blue GT7 controller that was mailfunctioning? You bought a new one, no problems with new one?
Yeah, 2 of the 4 controllers came out of the same batch, I think they just not that strong or something, I instantly noticed the difference on the new one, so easy peasy in the 16' with that....... 🤣🤣 naahhh I drove my ass of trying to get below 17 but a new controller certainly was better!

zjn
I'm happy you solved your issue with the controller and were able to nail down this great lap! :cheers:

High downforce cars are difficult to me. They require a completely different approach, but also generate different feedback on my G29.
It's definetly needed less input to generate the same quantity of rotation, therefore the G29 deadzone is coming more into the picture.
Also, keeping the same wheel settings, I feel the wheel heavier than when driving Gr3/4 or street cars. Plus feedback of grip loose is less evident.

To try to use numbers to explain the feeling, having 0 for wheel completely soft and 10 for completely heavy, and keeping the same wheel configuration:
Gr1: normal feeling 8, feeling under grip loss 6
Gr3/4: normal feeling 6, feeling under grip loss 2
Street car: normal feeling 5, feeling under grip loss 1

The combination of the effects less rotation of the wheel + more sensitivity requested to react to grip feedback makes the progress much more slow and requires much more laps to get used to.
Then the downforce comes into the picture, and my brain refuse to accept the fact that high speed corners can be easy braking less.

I think I'm done with it, I don't have enough time to keep the peace with the triple TT (and also I'd like to RaceC a bit this week), so for this time you are winning on me.

Next time I will get the edge!!!

Ok..., I know..., this last one smells of "Next week I start the diet" or "tomorrow I quit smoking" 😜
and how the h*ll these guys do 14,'s..... it's bizar, to old for that 🤣🤣
The downforce brain problem I can relate to, ill practice more and find out how far I can go, but I'm already happy 😁

Maby you will change your mind and still kick my ass on the leaderboard 😁🙏
 
I am slow...tried hard to make silver at RBR, but I couldn't do it, still 0.3 seconds short and no more motivation left...did about 40 laps today, and I don't even like that track...but still in silver at Fuji
You are on my friends list, are you a manual or auto user?

With manual basically exit everything in fourth on auto brake harder earlier but keep flicking the accelerator to keep it in 2nd or 3rd.

Use counter steer assist. This isn't a competition out our level we just want decent times and the money.

Also on the down hill right go slower but power up to the left right sweepers. The last 2 corners take in fourth and coast making sure you really late apex the first of them.

The last corner you need to brake early enough to power on at the apex
 
What is the gold time for the RBR TT now? The last time I checked it, it was 1.40.3.

Also what's up with the 1.15.9 for the Olympic event? My optimal time was 1.16.8, that somehow feels out of reach now unless people spend hours and hours lapping 🤦‍♂️
 
Wow, 3 in a row, a bit to much for me to be honest.
I nearly missed one because I was planning to log only in the weekend, anyway, since I logged today I tried all 3 :D
-Deep Forest: 1:17.435. Not gonna put much effort on this one, I'm not gonna enter in 1,5% anyway
-Fuji: 1:40.878. Did with R8 2019
-Red Bull: 1:39.996. Just happy to be under 1:40

Overall, not the most difficult TTs for me, excluding Deep Forest of course. Did all 3 in a 140km session overall.
 
The Olympics channel uploaded a video with one of the eSports kids giving some tips:



I can see why wheel players were fine with the physics change and pad players were not from that gameplay, the way the car responds to steering inputs is like a totally different game 🤯. His gear changes are interesting, shifting up before exiting any of the corners, it's not what you would expect from watching any real racing but looks like it's worth a few tenths if I can get it right
 
The Olympics channel uploaded a video with one of the eSports kids giving some tips:



I can see why wheel players were fine with the physics change and pad players were not from that gameplay, the way the car responds to steering inputs is like a totally different game 🤯. His gear changes are interesting, shifting up before exiting any of the corners, it's not what you would expect from watching any real racing but looks like it's worth a few tenths if I can get it right

True, i don't complain a lot about physics because i mostly get kind of used to them if they change, but i dislike the last update on pad a bit, it's like i have 20% less steering input feeling wise, but i'm not 20% slower, so it doesn't make sense :lol:
But i'm sure i get used to it again, the more you play, the more you gain right..

And i think the faster the combo is the more difficult it is for the PAD users

But the smoothness of Gallo's lap is bizar, no way i can match that on PAD, but i'm sure going to try :lol::lol:
 
True, i don't complain a lot about physics because i mostly get kind of used to them if they change, but i dislike the last update on pad a bit, it's like i have 20% less steering input feeling wise, but i'm not 20% slower, so it doesn't make sense :lol:
But i'm sure i get used to it again, the more you play, the more you gain right..

And i think the faster the combo is the more difficult it is for the PAD users

But the smoothness of Gallo's lap is bizar, no way i can match that on PAD, but i'm sure going to try :lol::lol:
As a wheel user. After 1.31 Cars understeers at low speeds more. At least racing cars. So everybody have to adjust a little. Most importantly aliens (pros) lives in a different world. They do more tricks than just turn in. They downshifts and upshifts better. Use break pedal differently. Not as heavy as us, which makes cars turn better, but heavy enough to make car stop fast as possible. You'll have to compare the telemetry to find out.

Faster the car combo is. The more difficult it is for us all. But yeah it's even more difficult to get precise movement with pad when speed is high.

Got 1:15.970 on monday what was enough for gold but not after Gallos time. Yesterday my optimal was 1:15.6 but still no time improvement. Maybe today back to the gold territory.
 
Gallo's gone to 1:14.834, so the new gold bar is below 1:15.957...
These guys are so selfish, they should go slower so we can get our money! :lol: If I ever meet V.Gallo I will aggressively ask him "where's my money!?" He'll probably call security and I'll get kicked out, but maybe then he'll think twice before doing whatever it was that he did.

Anyway, so I came back to Deep Forest and spent about half an hour driving myself insane wondering why I couldn't do the go fast thing and was stuck in the 1:17s, turns out I was giving it too much lock and turning the car into a giant snowplow.

I also watched Gallo's lap for reference and it's very alarming how little it resembles an actual car driving. It's just about how you can use the limitations imposed on you to go as fast as possible, which I guess is the point of racing but my ego is telling me that it's not in the spirit of the game. :lol: But by having an ounce of respect for the front tires, actually paying attention to the vibrating ffb (I dislike the way GT does FFB regarding over turning the wheel, but it is what it is) and abusing the engine on downshifts to rotate the car I got down to a 1:16.460 which I'm happy with.

It's great to challenge yourself, and hats off to all of those who can reach gold but let's not ignore the real heroes. A person named NotNismoHonest who's fastest time is 15:01.228, or Jaz who's 6:00.500 may not have set the world alight, but they make up a large variety of slow times that stop us from crying ourselves to sleep when we look at where we are on the leaderboard.

Only joking, as crying would suggest something other than being numb
 
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A request to @skidmark69, if I may once again. I’d be interested in seeing the gold medal streak pre and post-Olympic TT, if you’ve got the time and energy to do it.
Yeah it only takes a few seconds to check once I've downloaded the results. After the radical time trial there were 214 people left with gold on every time trial.

For now there are 109 that have all gold including the Olympic one (not including rbr and Fuji trials). If the cut off had been 3% like normal it would have been 178.

But theres still time left so presumably some of the ones not currently on for gold will get it before it ends.
 
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