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My my,the time is dropping alot today at Spa...i log in to find my .800+ cushion was gone,i'm in the silver zone,noooo.
2:40.705 or so was the gold time...i'm .100 out....i do 20 laps maybe and come out to find the gold time dropped again,2:40.662, but i had one sweet lap,improved by about .700, back in the gold baby!!
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Spa is such a challenge. First I was chasing @Saargasm's ghost of 2:40.831 and I was finding I was ahead in sector 1 but falling back in sectors 2 and 3. Also found that sector 1 I was quickest with TCS1 and CS but sector 2 was quicker with TCS2 and CS. Luckily on my wheel I can switch TCS easily - but I am still not used to doing that. Sector 3 it's a crap shoot as to whether TCS 1 or 2 works better for me.

I ended up switching to changing another ghost that was in the 2:40.2 range as a goal. Using that I started in inch my time forward. At one point using TCS1 for sector 1, 2 for sector 2 and back to 1 for sector 3 (as I'd determined that was the fastest for me but sector 3 was dicy on traction coming out of turn 15, Stavelot) I was up ahead of that ghost. This was a potential GOLD time, and then turn 15, Stavelot, I lose it and crash out.... :banghead:

After that I decided that TCS2 is safest. I can hit the same time through Eau Rouge and Raidillon and I still find that I can match or even be ahead of the GOLD ghosts I'm chasing. After that I start to slip back in sector 2 as we get into the twisty stuff. That is still my Achilles heal. For the night I did improve to a 1:41.098 to be 3.28% off. I need another 1/2 second to get to gold and even then that won't be that safe given how it shifted this weekend...

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I'm currently at a 1:40.989 optimal so currently still don't have the pace even if I was consistent. I may have to switch back to TCS1 and try to balance out the spots where I tend to slide and work on those.

I forgot to record this live to see how it stacked up against the ghosts I was chasing but this is the replay of the fastest lap. This was was TCS2/CS and it was not my fastest time up Raidillon; so I should be able to gain there...



What is interesting is up to recently I'd been avoiding puddles based on the advise of various YT lap guides but this ghost I'm chasing just plows though them and low and behold, it was quicker for me to not worry about the puddles (perhaps because I'm on TCS2). This run I know I lost a fair bit of time at turn 15, Stavelot, as this is one of my most crash prone spots so I'm a bit shy on that one.

Where can I find 1/2s?

EDIT. Just dropped it to a 1:40.994.

I made the 1:40s 😁
 
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Another 100 miles under my belt at Spa… dropped to a 2:41.254 after 10 laps but optimals promised better.

Kept at it and managed to grab gold with a 2:40.327 assist free, with the exception of ABS.

This lap has a pretty average sector 1 (44.28) but bests over the rest of the lap. Chicane was pretty dicey as I braked a little late, but launched it in and it stuck. Optimal is now a 2:39.7, but I’m traveling and won’t get any more laps in until Thursday.

Hopefully I’ll still be gold then…. 👽🤞
 
Managed to get under 2:40 today, but I'm sure I left a bit of time on the table by pushing too hard at the end of Sector 2 and inducing some noticeable understeer. It's quite a challenge having to convince yourself to not baby the car through the high speed corners and just throw it in and trust the downforce, then having to be cautious and tip-toe through the rest of the track because you're not going fast enough to generate downforce. I'm sure I can get into the low 39s if I just don't attack the final part of Sector 2 as hard.
 
TheNormsk
Spa is such a challenge. First I was chasing @Saargasm's ghost of 2:40.831 and I was finding I was ahead in sector 1 but falling back in sectors 2 and 3. Also found that sector 1 I was quickest with TCS1 and CS but sector 2 was quicker with TCS2 and CS. Luckily on my wheel I can switch TCS easily - but I am still not used to doing that. Sector 3 it's a crap shoot as to whether TCS 1 or 2 works better for me.

I ended up switching to changing another ghost that was in the 2:40.2 range as a goal. Using that I started in inch my time forward. At one point using TCS1 for sector 1, 2 for sector 2 and back to 1 for sector 3 (as I'd determined that was the fastest for me but sector 3 was dicy on traction coming out of turn 15, Stavelot) I was up ahead of that ghost. This was a potential GOLD time, and then turn 15, Stavelot, I lose it and crash out.... :banghead:

After that I decided that TCS2 is safest. I can hit the same time through Eau Rouge and Raidillon and I still find that I can match or even be ahead of the GOLD ghosts I'm chasing. After that I start to slip back in sector 2 as we get into the twisty stuff. That is still my Achilles heal. For the night I did improve to a 1:41.098 to be 3.28% off. I need another 1/2 second to get to gold and even then that won't be that safe given how it shifted this weekend...

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I'm currently at a 1:40.989 optimal so currently still don't have the pace even if I was consistent. I may have to switch back to TCS1 and try to balance out the spots where I tend to slide and work on those.

I forgot to record this live to see how it stacked up against the ghosts I was chasing but this is the replay of the fastest lap. This was was TCS2/CS and it was not my fastest time up Raidillon; so I should be able to gain there...



What is interesting is up to recently I'd been avoiding puddles based on the advise of various YT lap guides but this ghost I'm chasing just plows though them and low and behold, it was quicker for me to not worry about the puddles (perhaps because I'm on TCS2). This run I know I lost a fair bit of time at turn 15, Stavelot, as this is one of my most crash prone spots so I'm a bit shy on that one.

Where can I find 1/2s?

EDIT. Just dropped it to a 1:40.994.

I made the 1:40s 😁
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Your lap does look very smooth!, I think indeed as you mentioned yourself, 15 and 16 you missed the apex, were 16 is the most important due to the long straight after that, so if you are more on the inside when exit on 16 you can throttle out way sooner and nets you a lot of time at the end of the straight!
Thats absolutely 0.5 of a second right there

My difference was huge btw when I went from tcs2 to 1 and was very doable because you already know by now where to be carefull, I even went to 0 and came rather close to my fastest, you have to be carefull but gain a lot on exitspeed
Plus I noticed that counter steering assist was working against me here and i am faster without it so I would def. try to loose that!

So my advice, no CSA, TC1 and watch your 16 exitspeed and you will be gold before you know it 😁
 
Gomario JSP
Your lap does look very smooth!, I think indeed as you mentioned yourself, 15 and 16 you missed the apex, were 16 is the most important due to the long straight after that, so if you are more on the inside when exit on 16 you can throttle out way sooner and nets you a lot of time at the end of the straight!
Thats absolutely 0.5 of a second right there

My difference was huge btw when I went from tcs2 to 1 and was very doable because you already know by now where to be carefull, I even went to 0 and came rather close to my fastest, you have to be carefull but gain a lot on exitspeed
Plus I noticed that counter steering assist was working against me here and i am faster without it so I would def. try to loose that!

So my advice, no CSA, TC1 and watch your 16 exitspeed and you will be gold before you know it 😁
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TheNormsk




Where can I find 1/2s?

EDIT. Just dropped it to a 1:40.994.

I made the 1:40s 😁
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Firstly congrats on hitting the 40s!

Secondly here's where I think you can start looking for more time (at least.. what works for me!)

T1 la Source - I never used 1st gear, 2nd and more throttle earlier. You are carrying that speed all the way to Eau Rouge.

At Eau Rouge you have a good line but you can be braver with the throttle after the lift.

Up at the chicane after the Kemmel straight maybe have a look at the top ghost or some more guides, you have the right idea but you can be a little braver here again.

Try turning into Pouhon (double left downhill) a little later and keep to 4th. You actually do really well here but I think a slightly later turn in and higher gear will allow even more throttle application.

I know you said about the puddles etc.. but through the next section after Pouhon I personally found more time being middle of the track and avoiding the puddles and kerbs. You can use more throttle here to actually slide the car particularly into the left hander (t14 I think).

Exit of Stavelot before you turn in flick it to 4th and be a lot braver on throttle. The car will slide but you can control it with steering and it weirdly is faster doing this I found. Plus you carry all that speed to Blanchimont.

Where you can carry a bit more speed actually! Only needs a small lift and a brief bit of 5th here. For example your minimum speed here is 128mph whereas mine is 134mph. Trust the downforce!

Finally the chicane... I am super inconsistent here but I'd suggest going to 2nd at the apex of the right hander and then a bit more throttle between the apexes and earlier again coming onto the finish straight.

Hope something in here helps you find that time!
 
This time trial came out of nowhere and got my full attention, even in a week which has daily C at Le Mans.
Tryharded quite a bit to get into the 38s but eventually got it (more than 300km overall for sure).
This combo is so fun to drive and having to use some different lines and track limits to avoid puddles and curbs makes it extra interesting to me.

I loved it so much, I recorded my lap with a newly discovered (for me) music replay cam bug. The drone shot works really well at Spa!

 
Noticed all the WR guys are still doing their thing at the top and slipped to silver so decided to better my time and get back to gold. Success!! I tried and tried and tried to do it with no TC because can def accelerate quicker but those minor gains are wiped out in many other areas.
Improved from 2:40.831 to 2:40.498!!! Decided to switch to TC1 with ASM on. First lap and blew out old PB! Lap is below and also shared with tag saargasm

Also, I’ve never gotten a platinum trophy in any game ever and I’ve been sitting here for about 9-months with all the trophies except for completing 50-sport races. So I’ve finally gotten over my fear and have been hitting some races and apparently all my time spent in here has really improved my speed and consistency. 12-races, 8-top 5’s and 2-victories!! Lol better enjoy it now as I’m a high C rated driver now and if I keep this up going to be playing with the big boys soon enough
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Really busy the past week+ so not much time for GT. Am really struggling to get a 51.xx at lago maggior, and I'm honestly not sure I'll touch the rbj at spa. That is a car and a track that i am not good with. Add the rain and it just sounds like a waste of my time and a way to induce needles frustration and anger lol
 
Dairyworker
Really busy the past week+ so not much time for GT. Am really struggling to get a 51.xx at lago maggior, and I'm honestly not sure I'll touch the rbj at spa. That is a car and a track that i am not good with. Add the rain and it just sounds like a waste of my time and a way to induce needles frustration and anger lol
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Same here with Lago Maggiore, so I have settled with silver, silver on Spa is more doable than gold on Lake Maggiore IMO, so if I was you, I would try to silver Spa, 2 mill from these two TT's is not bad. :)
 
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TheNormsk
Spa is such a challenge. First I was chasing @Saargasm's ghost of 2:40.831 and I was finding I was ahead in sector 1 but falling back in sectors 2 and 3. Also found that sector 1 I was quickest with TCS1 and CS but sector 2 was quicker with TCS2 and CS. Luckily on my wheel I can switch TCS easily - but I am still not used to doing that. Sector 3 it's a crap shoot as to whether TCS 1 or 2 works better for me.


Where can I find 1/2s?
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I can give you some, I've got plenty of seconds........I'm at 2'45"....take all you want....... up to 38, it'll make me happy.....😂😂😂:gtpflag:
 
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I just did a few laps of the new Daytona road course Porsche challenge and wow, I know it is early Monday and all, but I am 143rd in the world! That won't last long... :lol: :lol:

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Alas, now my morning tea has brewed I need to work. When I come back to this 8 hours from now I'll probably be position 7427 :rolleyes:
 
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Life is ultra busy right now so quick check in… I managed a solid session today desperately seeking a 50.xxx but despite having the pace I couldn’t get a consistent lap. I enjoyed learning the ways of the Supra concept and the track grew on me. Shame I didn’t manage to fully ‘send it’ in my Amazon liveried race car! Probably it for me for this one as I am away with work this week. I haven’t even started with the slidey joys of Spa yet!! 😁
 
Fezzik
"In the world" - NA only competition. Is that like the US domestic baseball winners being World Series champs?
;)

Nice time.
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Don't be hating on baseball now. It's not our fault you introduced the world to SOCCER and then decided to not hold the world title since King Charles was still 17-years old! We're Americans! As far as we're concerned, we are the world lol
 
Gomario JSP
Your lap does look very smooth!, I think indeed as you mentioned yourself, 15 and 16 you missed the apex, were 16 is the most important due to the long straight after that, so if you are more on the inside when exit on 16 you can throttle out way sooner and nets you a lot of time at the end of the straight!
Thats absolutely 0.5 of a second right there

My difference was huge btw when I went from tcs2 to 1 and was very doable because you already know by now where to be carefull, I even went to 0 and came rather close to my fastest, you have to be carefull but gain a lot on exitspeed
Plus I noticed that counter steering assist was working against me here and i am faster without it so I would def. try to loose that!

So my advice, no CSA, TC1 and watch your 16 exitspeed and you will be gold before you know it 😁
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I've been trying to drive with no aids (except ABS weak) to get smoother at power delivery but any time I put down is so much slower than with aids. That said, I do think it improved my driving with the aids. I've been trying with and without CSA and at TCS1 and 2. The problem I'm facing is that I can be quicker with less aids but then I also crash out, invalidating the lap. Or I'm too cautious ad I am slower. I'll try more with CSA off and TCS2 to begin with. If that holds I'll try to drop it down to TCS1.
Blayney
Firstly congrats on hitting the 40s!

Secondly here's where I think you can start looking for more time (at least.. what works for me!)

T1 la Source - I never used 1st gear, 2nd and more throttle earlier. You are carrying that speed all the way to Eau Rouge.

At Eau Rouge you have a good line but you can be braver with the throttle after the lift.
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T1 is interesting. Not sure if it is because of the TCS2 but I have tried many lines and gear combo approaches and I agree that exiting in 2nd should be quicker, but in my 100+ outings there, for my driving, a squarer line with 1st out is proving to be quicker up though Eu Rouge than the GOLD ghosts I'm chasing. Perhaps they just had a poor turn 1 and were quicker elsewhere. I was thinking squarer is working as I can spend more time braking and accelerating in a straight line hard, rather that being gentle with inputs because of turn in/out.
Blayney
Try turning into Pouhon (double left downhill) a little later and keep to 4th. You actually do really well here but I think a slightly later turn in and higher gear will allow even more throttle application.
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I've been mixing up a double downshift to 3rd on some tries and staying in 4th in others. I think I've been trending toward dropping to 3rd and the rapidly upshifting to 4th again for a tighter line as I had a tendency to drift off track when turning in later. But I've had good runs staying in 4th as well (in fact I think my 1:40.989 time was in 4th). I'll work on that though as Pouhon is an segment with a lot of variability in my times.
Blayney
I know you said about the puddles etc.. but through the next section after Pouhon I personally found more time being middle of the track and avoiding the puddles and kerbs. You can use more throttle here to actually slide the car particularly into the left hander (t14 I think).
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Sliding the car freaks me out. I've done it but I'm never sure exactly how I did it. I feel like it's one of these things where it just happens and then I catch it and have a good time or I don't catch it and I am in the grass and a wasted lap. I am tending to avoid the puddles again, but what is the trick to sliding and holding it?
Blayney
Exit of Stavelot before you turn in flick it to 4th and be a lot braver on throttle. The car will slide but you can control it with steering and it weirdly is faster doing this I found. Plus you carry all that speed to Blanchimont.

Where you can carry a bit more speed actually! Only needs a small lift and a brief bit of 5th here. For example your minimum speed here is 128mph whereas mine is 134mph. Trust the downforce!

Finally the chicane... I am super inconsistent here but I'd suggest going to 2nd at the apex of the right hander and then a bit more throttle between the apexes and earlier again coming onto the finish straight.

Hope something in here helps you find that time!
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All good suggestions. I've tried combinations of those but have not successfully put them together in a complete lap. Stavelot terrifies me on putting down the throttle there. So many times the car will oversteer to the right into the wall. I find that very hard to do, without losing a lot of time, without CSA to counter the power steer.

For the chicane I have been trying to do the 2nd gear squirt between apexes but I have been messing up the last turn, typically by overshooting the apex and going wide. I'm finding turn in difficult with that approach. Are you just completely lifting for the 2nd apex for turn in or even applying say 10% brake?

EDIT: I found a recording of my fastest lap run. I think this includes some of the suggestions from above.



It looks like nearly all my time was gained on sector 2, using 4th through Pouhon and a good brake into, exit out of Les Fragnes.
 
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TheNormsk
For the chicane I have been trying to do the 2nd gear squirt between apexes but I have been messing up the last turn, typically by overshooting the apex and going wide. I'm finding turn in difficult with that approach. Are you just completely lifting for the 2nd apex for turn in or even applying say 10% brake?
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I assume you are talking about the 2nd apex for the bus stop chicane. You can just lift and turn in and it should work. If you find yourself overshooting it a bit...a quick down to 1st then back up to 2nd should tighten the line.
 
Evilmuffin
I assume you are talking about the 2nd apex for the bus stop chicane. You can just lift and turn in and it should work. If you find yourself overshooting it a bit...a quick down to 1st then back up to 2nd should tighten the line.
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Yes, the one at the end of the lap that is technically not a bus stop anymore since 2007.

I have found some success with a 1 > 2 > 1 > 2 approach between apexes.
 
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Spider-Racer
I loved it so much, I recorded my lap with a newly discovered (for me) music replay cam bug. The drone shot works really well at Spa!
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I already knew this bug, but I could never access it.
Please, could you do a 'step by step' on how to do this?
I'm on PS4 Pro, by the way.
 
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I had a bit more luck today at Spa. Still outside a Gold time, but any progress is good to see.

Thanks to @Saargasm for uploading your lap. A bit easier to chase, but I still can't get a good exit from Eau Rouge. I can't catch up from that, but I have made some pretty incredible recoveries sliding off there 🤣

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I did have a bit more luck at the Porsche eSports event at Daytona, though. Currently top 50 as of now.

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GlockPants
Thanks to @Saargasm for uploading your lap. A bit easier to chase, but I still can't get a good exit from Eau Rouge. I can't catch up from that, but I have made some pretty incredible recoveries sliding off there 🤣
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What helped me a lot was an earlier @Saargasm comment on how to handle Eu Rouge which I distilled to this:

Head over the curb at full throttle (remembering to keep your right wheels track side to the white line) and just as you approach the end of the curb, lift and steer right. Then as you straighten, throttle up to 50-70% until you are stable heading up Raidillion and then full power. Get it good and you can go full power pretty much near at the bottom of the hill; get a bit wobbly and you may be 50% up before 100% seems okay. Get it wrong and you're doing a pirouette down the track..
 
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