Time Trial Discussion

[GlockPants]

It's nice being caught up on all the time trials.

Even though I have Gold at The 'Ring, the certificate time is likely out of reach. But that doesn't mean I won't keep trying at least a little. So three laps a day seems fair.

That being said, I have time to spend at Interlagos. I honestly like the track, the car doesn't seem too bad with the Sport Soft tires either. First session was ok, but I'm going to need to study the fast laps to get into Gold.

Side note: All three of my Nordschleife laps today were invalidated

 

[Jules_r]

If you thought you were safe about the Lambo TT, be careful! Some dude just set a 1:56.700, so the Gold time is now 2:00.201

That is so annoying, my Gold is now a Silver!!

 

[zjn]

Being a Ferrari fan in F1 seeing the Mercedes brand causes me a bit of a stomach upset , in general ... 🤢😇😋... , but I'm glad to finally see a Mercedes on track for a TT, since it seems to me that we normally see very few of them on PD circuits

 

[Gomario JSP]

I haven't tried Interlagos yet, but looking at Kie's upload there is going to be be no gearboxes left by the end of this TT....
He goes from 7 to 1 within....let's say... a tiny window.. ...., "PD needs to stop this, but it's necessary for regering the top 10" ....

I'll take place 11 then, and drive the damn thing home ... 🙄🤣

Damn sausing..

 

[SPL170db]

I haven't tried Interlagos yet, but looking at Kie's upload there is going to be be no gearboxes left by the end of this TT....
He goes from 7 to 1 within....let's say... a tiny window.. ...., "PD needs to stop this, but it's necessary for regering the top 10" ....

I'll take place 11 then, and drive the damn thing home ... 🙄🤣

Damn sausing..

It's definitely an understeer'y pig.

 

[NAXEHT]

I don't think we all agree. You might don't like it. It's OK. You like more some other combos that maybe I like less. But I am sure we that are on first page like it. @djolliea @Dan_Tes @NAXEHT me and many others...
I did thought the same like you when I started it but then I learned how to drive it and it's pretty nice actually.

Well, I’ll say it was quite peculiar and took some time to appreciate and I did kind of enjoy it towards the end, despite the annoying ways in which one would invalidate a lap. Also despite Sainte-Croix placing low in my track ranking, with B being the only decent variant.

In defense of @TumeK5, I can see how one would quickly dislike the Lambo VGT TT if you only drive in 2D cockpit and won’t switch camera. I had a similar experience with the Toyota Alphard at Autopolis way back because I’m a chase cam driver and that was painful at that TT. I’m pretty sure I eventually switched to bonnet/roof for that one.

Anyway, like I said in an earlier post, I’m not complaining about the fact that because of the peculiarities of it it was easier to place higher. On the other hand I can’t stand Gr.4 time trials for example, I think they’re really quite awful. The cars are too slow and times become almost artificially close because of this. I don’t like how they feel either. Gr.3 I always appreciate but Gr.4 is too slow. Then one can make things even worse and awful by putting it on a <60 second track.

Here are some statistics for TT49 at Circuit de Sainte-Croix - B in the Lamborghini Lambo V12 VGT.

• This had the lowest participation rate since TT 14 (Nürburgring Nordschleife in the Honda NSX Type R '02 with tuning allowed).
• My prediction using analysis of predictions by @Tidgney was not too far out - gold was 2:00.201 versus predicted 2:00.250 (Reference).
• Certainly a tough TT, with only 4.2% of drivers getting gold; I bet the low participation is because many just could not get it around the track.
• I've had a go at making your fantasy come true, @Barareklam. Let me know if that is what you had in mind. I'm doing it only for completed TTs.
  • Well done to @Dan_Tes, @Evilmuffin, @Soccmals and @Dep Fishtail on new PBs.

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Spoiler: GTP Leaderboard

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Spoiler: Main Results Table

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Spoiler: Summary comparison to previous TTs

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Spoiler: Distribution of rewards in this TT versus previous TTs

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Spoiler: Breakdown of results by Driver Rating

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Drivers with gold in all TTs
The number of drivers with gold in all TTs to date dropped from 113 to 112.

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Spoiler: Graph 1 - TTs 1 to 22

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Interim Results for TT50 at Alsace - Test Course Reverse in Gr.4.

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Spoiler: 0.1second increments

This was a request to help people see how many places they're likely to gain by gaining a certain amount of time.
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Interim Results for the Honda eMS event at Nürburgring Nordschleife.

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Interim Results for the Michelin Time Trial at Road Atlanta in the Porsche 918 Spyder.

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Hey man, it says my best position is 10th! I’d be very happy if it were true but to my recollection my best is 25th (MC20 at Mt. Panorama).

Also, I’m assuming the HRC Civic TT at Suzuka, hidden names and everything with privacy due to age, is one you’ll ignore completely? Maybe a given, given that you didn’t show any interim results for it but I ask anyway.

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I just sort of realised I now have to do the Michelin 918 Spyder TT and the HRC Civic TT at Nordschleife in the span of a few hours tonight. Travelling to Vienna for some days, leaving tomorrow and had completely forgotten that these TT’s end already. I thought I had more time. AHHHH!! LET’S GO!

 

[half_sourly]

Hey man, it says my best position is 10th! I’d be very happy if it were true but to my recollection my best is 25th (MC20 at Mt. Panorama).

Also, I’m assuming the HRC Civic TT at Suzuka, GDPR customised and everything, is one you’ll ignore completely? Maybe a given, given that you didn’t show any interim results for it but I ask anyway.

Ah yes. I manually changed one of your results to test my IF statements and forgot to change it back; will fix that for the next one.

The U18 event results look like this and it won't make for exciting analysis, so your assumption is correct.

 

[Jeje6410]

First try in Interlagos (love track and car) in 1'37'575. Lots and lots of work to do to be awarded gold.

 

[Metalgear9493]

I haven't tried Interlagos yet, but looking at Kie's upload there is going to be be no gearboxes left by the end of this TT....
He goes from 7 to 1 within....let's say... a tiny window.. ...., "PD needs to stop this, but it's necessary for regering the top 10" ....

I'll take place 11 then, and drive the damn thing home ... 🙄🤣

Damn sausing..

It's actually not necessary. For turn 1, I went from 6th to 2nd (using weak ABS), and exited in 3rd. Ended up running a very respectable xx.715 sector 1.

What's most important is your turning and braking form (how you're releasing the brakes) at the very end of the braking zone.

You want to obviously be braking as late as possible, at each corner, so you need to be really precise with your steering during turn-in. Too much aggressive steering, and or, too much brakes during turn-in, taxi ride to Ploughville.

 

[newmedia_dev]

To overcome my Daily Race apathy and the utter shame of my most recent leaderboard performance (just to be clear not participating or shameful times. Not challenging the top 50 here!!!!) I finally came back and understeered, oversteered and no where steered the 918 in to a gold.

 

[Fezzik]

Well, what's a meta car for the aliens is definitly not automatically the meta car for me...I have made this observation before in daily races and today again at the Alsace TT...

Like mentioned in an earlier post used the VW Gr.4 there(which is neither a Golf nor a Polo...it's a Scirocco!) and ran 49,969 there...
So since almost everybody who is fast there is using the new Mazda I gave it a try as well...even after 20 laps I couldn't improve my time there with the Mazda and was 0,2 seconds away from my fastet lap...switched back to the Scirocco again and only needed 5 laps for a new fastest lap, now at 48,727, hardly 0,4 shy of the silver time...normally I am well satisfied with bronze, but in that TT I will keep on trying and aim for silver...in that Scirocco! (or maybe give the Peugeot a try, which used to be my fastest Gr4/FF car in GT Sport on most tracks)

Maybe give the Alfa 155 a try. I couldn’t get on with the Mazda so switched to the golden oldie

nearly did get me a gold - haven’t been that close to one in a long time.

 

[330_D]

I keep posting every time someone mentions the Alfa because it seemed like a cheat code for silver. I couldn't get the remaining tenths but I think if I messed with the line it would totally happen. I was taking the slow turn at the top of the hill very very wide and I got within 2 hundredths. It's a great car for that track.

 

[SPL170db]

Shaved a bit more down to a 1:36.062 (with an optimal of :35.8) so a little more breathing room for now. That got me wondering looking at Jeddah at the top of the charts....what does that guy do in this game? Looking at his stats he only has a B driver rating and I don't really ever see his name mentioned in any online stuff. Does he just log in every once in a while, kick everyone's butt in TT and then go quiet? 😂

 

[specops]

I tried the Merc at Interlagos. Hooollyyyy understeer, Batman! I am not lying, it took me 14 tries to get to the starting line! What an absolute joke of a car Almost just let it be, because instantly I knew that the downshifting dark force will be strong in this one. I'm super happy to see that people like Kie are starting to really complain about this. It HAS TO be rectified, like ASAP. So many of the road cars are so understeery now that the exploit engine braking is a serious cheat code and SUPER not "the realdriving simulator" -like.

Did manage close to gold on my third lap, so can be golded without cheat downshifting. I'll find a few tenths tomorrow and never touch this again.

But has the Black Series been like this from the beginning? The only time I have driven it before was the crazy glitch tune for Tokyo back in the day, and that one seemed very easy and enjoyable to me. The stock car I honestly have not tried before.

 

[Mira-maki]

Am I the only one that doesn’t find the Mercedes THAT understeer-y?

I mean. Yes it does tend to understeer, but it’s nothing that can’t be compensated for … you just need to kind of get your lines right.

The engine brake thing is somewhat annoying though. I’m hoping it will get fixed at some point. But this is also not something that you need to do to get gold.

On a different note, track limits …
😅 (I’m not really complaining. I just find it funny)

 

[SPL170db]

It just feels to me like you have to be more deliberate and thoughtful with your inputs (especially mid-corner throttle) with the Merc, can't be as ham-fisted and just throw it into some corners like you can with other cars.

 

[Talon16]

Merc at Interlagos is pretty fun. Understeer isn't as bad as previous road cars and this one rotates nicely with the throttle.

1:35.4 so far.

 

[Gomario JSP]

It's actually not necessary. For turn 1, I went from 6th to 2nd (using weak ABS), and exited in 3rd. Ended up running a very respectable xx.715 sector 1.

What's most important is your turning and braking form (how you're releasing the brakes) at the very end of the braking zone.

You want to obviously be braking as late as possible, at each corner, so you need to be really precise with your steering during turn-in. Too much aggressive steering, and or, too much brakes during turn-in, taxi ride to Ploughville.

I just ran a few laps, it is indeed a bit tricky onder braking 🙄🤔, steering input and a fair amount of brakepower dont match that well 🤣 , the sausing is indeed not that necessary but I do have to brake before the 150 instead of on it 🤣, But I like the struggle

good luck hunting for P1 mate!, thanks for the tips 😁🙏

 

[newmedia_dev]

Am I the only one that doesn’t find the Mercedes THAT understeer-y?

I mean. Yes it does tend to understeer, but it’s nothing that can’t be compensated for … you just need to kind of get your lines right.

The engine brake thing is somewhat annoying though. I’m hoping it will get fixed at some point. But this is also not something that you need to do to get gold.

On a different note, track limits …
😅 (I’m not really complaining. I just find it funny)
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No car is understeer-y at the right speeds they can all make the same corner

Understeer is a by product of going to fast in OR holding the brakes to long.

Oversteer is too much too soon OR accelerating too early.

The car is fine, a bit light at the front and a lot of torque at the back to manage but inherently cars don't have these behaviours when driven optimally.

Buuuuut if you want to drive them fast well

 

[specops]

No car is understeer-y at the right speeds they can all make the same corner

Understeer is a by product of going to fast in OR holding the brakes to long.

Oversteer is too much too soon OR accelerating too early.

The car is fine, a bit light at the front and a lot of torque at the back to manage but inherently cars don't have these behaviours when driven optimally.

Buuuuut if you want to drive them fast well

The problem with that claim is that A) there are lots of cars that understeer less and B) even this car can very easily be tuned to understeer less. So no, it's not all about driving. Cars and tunes have their own characters, which I suppose is half the fun when it comes to driving cars fast. Some cars just have a tendency to take that half and suffocate it to death

 

[newmedia_dev]

The problem with that claim is that A) there are lots of cars that understeer less and B) even this car can very easily be tuned to understeer less. So no, it's not all about driving. Cars and tunes have their own characters, which I suppose is half the fun when it comes to driving cars fast. Some cars just have a tendency to take that half and suffocate it to death

The problem with that, is that cars understeer at THIER limits.

Some cars go faster round corners some don't. That's the whole point of chassis design or tuning.

That said PD seem determined to give us no tuning and cars and tyre combos designed to make it deliberately over exaggerated!

I agree with you btw

 

[Barareklam]

Dear car mechanics at AMG. Please change gearbox on my Mercedes, it got stuck in 6th gear. I sincerely apologize dear mechanics but PD made me shift gears from 7th to first in a split of second so gearbox exploded, but hey I got 1:34.844

 

[djolliea]

First session at Interlagos done. The AMG is a bit understeery but a lot of fun to drive. Still losing some time in the mid section of the track, but managed a 1:34.137 without destroying the gearbox.

 

[Blayney]

@djolliea I love seeing your name as soon as I load into the TT, makes me proud haha.

Here's my humble attempt 😅 been a while since I had time/inclination to make a video.

 

[Dolph Drago]

Yay! A fun time trial. Much better than the previous. Yeah, there's a bit of understeer if you're not careful, but it's manageable. Compared to the understeery pig at Saint-Croix, the Merc handles like a dream. I ran this before watching the Kie's guide, so I didn't grenade the engine with the gearbox. I used lots of 3rd gear on entry, but it looks like I may be able to gain some dropping into 2nd. No way do I plan on going into 1st gear, though. A mid 1:35 to start, with much improvement possible. Notably, I got wide midway through turn 3. And I did a slight lift at the kink on the final straight. That is tough to nail with the stick.

My replay isn't quite as fast as the others posted already, but here ya go.

 

[Evilmuffin]

This will do for now. I actually found the car quite a pleasure to drive. It understeers a little but very easy to dial out and transition it to neutral mid corner.

1:34s is possible, but will need some grinding 🤔

And no...I didn't money shift to slow down the car

 

[A_Higher_Place]

Enjoyed this one more than I thought I would! Car feels amazing on these tyres. Do you think this time will hold, though?

 

[ikon_313]

I'm struggling to get the Merc into gold.
Edit: going slow while thinking I'm lapping really fast. Interlagos has always been my Endgegner. Need more practice.

Btw, how did everyone here get so fast these past months? It's like coming back from summer vacation and everyone in school has hit puberty except me all over again 💪

 

[MidnightRun85]

After missing out (narrowly) on silver at St Croix and picking up my second bronze finish, I set about getting at least silver on the three other TTs I can run at the moment.

Firstly, I hadn't tried the Civic at the Nordschliefe, so I hopped into that and gave it a bash. I was pleasantly surprised at the handling! Very predictable and chuckable. I set a feeler lap at 8:01:XXX and then followed it up with a lap where I was at least 4.8s clear coming into the final complex of turns before the finish line but lost it into the outside wall on the first slow right-hander! So frustrating when you drive nearly 8 mins of a lap and invalidate it with less than 10 secs to go!

So I had another go and kept it clean, improving further over my previous lap, to record a 7:55:XXX which will certainly hold for silver! I'll probably give this one another go tonight to see if I can make some more improvements, because it's a lot of fun!

At Road Atlanta I had recorded some pretty average laps in the 918, with a 1:19:6XX bronze time in the bag. I really don't gel with this track, so I found it pretty tricky. However, I must have been in a better mood last night because my first lap (after a couple of resets) was over 2s quicker! I improved again after that and got my time down to 1:17:2XX! I'm hoping that's a safe silver and I can leave that one alone!

Then off to Alsace in the Mazda3. Had already managed to get a safe silver, but not far off gold. So I ran about a dozen laps, but only managed to improve a couple of tenths. Still a couple of tenths off gold, so this one will need a bit more attention once the Nurburgring and Road Atlanta events are done.

Haven't even looked at the Merc at Interlagos yet...

 

[TheNormsk]

Has a go at the new Interlagos TT this evening. It took a couple hours to figure out this AMG in that you have to smash the gears in order to slow this thing down. I can’t believe the real car would drive like that. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Anyway I got to gold. Not sure this is safe yet though. It’s a bit close..