Time Trial Discussion
- Thread starter seadog777
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- Mistah_MCA
I heard that that MCA dude is okay.
But jokes aside, I have the tuning sheet below, in case you
- Widebody
- Aftermarket wheels (wide offset and trim, non-default size)
- Front bumper (A and B function the same, so pick the cooler one)
- Side skirt (A and B function the same, so pick the cooler one)
- Rear Bumper A
- Wing A
- Roll Cage (any)
Currently down to 6:55.3 with the tune... A. Lee is also using this tune, and is on a 6:51. This car is also a demon spawn.
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- Fezzik-GT
- Fezzik1983
How's it going? There's currently 51 people with the gold time in the whole world.
seadog777
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- seadog777
Too embarrassed to say.... but I'd had a couple of tinnies which obviously didn't help. 😇
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It’s quite unfortunate there’s only one TT. We had two in GTS so you could skip the glitch tuning ones.
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I'm not even going to consider the percentages for this one. I'm more curious at participation. I assert that this will be the lowest participation time trail ever. Maybe the percentages will be better than road atlanta but who knows there, I do feel far more certain that less people are even going to try. PD really did not want people to have a fun holiday in this game heh. Well, unless you're a part of that tiny minority this time trail appeals to haha.
I can appreciate them wanting to have this, but they should have also known this was going to be insanely unpopular (numbers wise) so having two would have been the better way to introduce this. You could have Nur. for the aliens and some other, more popular, time trail for the rest of us heh.
I will give it a go, but I'm not going to try nearly as hard as I did at road atlanta. I'm old and memorizing a 7 minute lap course is possibly outside of my mental capacity lol.
I can appreciate them wanting to have this, but they should have also known this was going to be insanely unpopular (numbers wise) so having two would have been the better way to introduce this. You could have Nur. for the aliens and some other, more popular, time trail for the rest of us heh.
I will give it a go, but I'm not going to try nearly as hard as I did at road atlanta. I'm old and memorizing a 7 minute lap course is possibly outside of my mental capacity lol.
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As others have said, the difference with this challenge is the length of the track and how many corners are critical. In the short trials you can send it and hope to get lucky on one lap to get a result. Over the 7 minutes and maybe 20 critical corners there's no chance to put in the time and get lucky on all of them without losing it mentally. I will take the same approach as on the CE gold, send it for the first 1:12, then drive at 8/10 for the rest of the lap. If one of the pros puts in 5000km on this challenge, the gold target time will be unachievable for me.
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- Finland
I think that's a good plan.
Watching the fast laps they seem to have oversteer at entry and neutral on exit, at full throttle. I've got exactly the opposite, with particularly pronounced oversteer at exit of every corner.
They've also got enough downforce to take the fast stuff like Flugplatz and Schwedenkreuz pretty much flat, whilst still having good top end for the long straights.
I think it's another one where gold isn't going to be easy.
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but does gold have to be 3% of the time of literal race car drivers? In a video game? Does anyone lose anything by opening these times up to be more generous to the rest of the community outside of the tiny fraction of players who can do alien stuff? Like, you're still faster and god tier, does having someone slower than you get gold, silver, or bronze really detract from your accomplishments?
It just seems like the current times and percentages remove the fun for A LOT of people while only adding for a very small amount. The entire thing doesn't make a ton of sense to me for something passing as a "community event".
In fact, I don't think I even like that the times are relative to one individual. Why can't they be static and anyone who comes under the static times gets the prize? Again, you'll still be an alien and people will still marvel at how good you are. What is the actual harm other than more people being able to enjoy it?
It just seems like the current times and percentages remove the fun for A LOT of people while only adding for a very small amount. The entire thing doesn't make a ton of sense to me for something passing as a "community event".
In fact, I don't think I even like that the times are relative to one individual. Why can't they be static and anyone who comes under the static times gets the prize? Again, you'll still be an alien and people will still marvel at how good you are. What is the actual harm other than more people being able to enjoy it?
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If it’s a static time then it’s pretty just the circuit experience with a different car.
I like to see just how ridiculously fast the pros can go and how far behind I am - would they keep going if there was a fixed time?
As for the rewards, where’s the accomplishment if it’s easier? Gold should mean something, it should be hard.
and before I get accused of elitism or gate-keeping, my stats - I’m rubbish
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You're basing what is "hard" off a single individual, when in reality humans are extremely variable in their abilities. Someone who gets 6% of the top time may have had to try MUCH harder than someone else who got 3% of the top time. This is a huge part of my point. Seeing the time trials through the narrow lens of the tiny fraction of people who like it the way it is excludes a ridiculous amount of people. People who may be trying harder than others who find it easier and are doing it. I also go back to the "community event" How community is it when more than half of said community gets nothing? It comes off as inconsiderate.
While I understand your arguments, and they are valid, they also require me to ignore the massive quantity of people not getting anything or not having fun. I can't do it. I can compete in these events, I am also able to see this from the perspective of those massive numbers on the outside. Numbers, which frankly dwarf the people who can compete. This doesn't even include those that never try because they "know" it's impossible. Whether it is or not, the perception of that with these time trials is there.
I also don't think you're gatekeeping because none of your arguments attack others or their abilities. Your desire to keep it the way it is is not based on wanting to keep people out but on your own personal desire to compete and be pushed.
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Thats why there is also silver for 5% and brozne for 10%, not everybody must be gold
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I wasn't saying it has to be static. I was merely trying to get to a point where maybe the community could agree that the design of this should change in some way to allow more people to enjoy it. That doesn't necessarily even involve gold times changing. Maybe the times could be some average of the top X amount of players rather than the single fastest person? Really I just want there to be any change that allows more people to enjoy it and get something. I'll probably always be able to get silver at least, but I do wish it was more open when I see the percentages of the people outside bronze. It hurts my soul to know these people are not having fun and the system has been designed in such a way to make sure they don't. The better the top guy does, the more he scan screw over people from having fun on the other end.
Even at silver, or even at bronze, some people just aren't that good. This specific time trial merely highlights it more than others as a problem IMO. Also, please don't take my caring about others as a sign of me trying to be argumentative with you. I do get your arguments and reasons. As is the case with most things, it's all very subjective and people can see the same data and come to different conclusions and that's ok.
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- Finland
Yeah this one's tough, even silver might be tough. 🥶 #240 is not that bad of a position for me at this point in time and still nowhere near gold 😮💨 Adjusted Mistah MCA's tune slightly, felt pretty good, but car is so sensitive on 2nd gear it's crazy..
Somehow hoping the #1 time won't change that much. Not sure I have more than 0,5-1 sec in it. Butchered the fast leftie, like 3 corners before the caroussel. Lost like 0,4-0,5 sec but cannot be bothered to retry at the moment.
Other than that a solid lap, especially happy with last section of the track after the caroussel and before the back straight. Might retry later, depending on where the silver time moves. If it is too far away then I let it be.
Somehow hoping the #1 time won't change that much. Not sure I have more than 0,5-1 sec in it. Butchered the fast leftie, like 3 corners before the caroussel. Lost like 0,4-0,5 sec but cannot be bothered to retry at the moment.
Other than that a solid lap, especially happy with last section of the track after the caroussel and before the back straight. Might retry later, depending on where the silver time moves. If it is too far away then I let it be.
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Grimm6Jack
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Tuning in a time trial...
... Agree... And let's make it worse... Let's make it in the Nordschleife... Where you are on a good lap 6-7 minutes in and you screw one corner and you're gone.
I still have more hopes for this one than the one in Road Atlanta, at least it's not a high downforce super fast car. So the grass abuse... which will happen, will not be as severe.
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I can agree with setting a bronze percentage which is more attainable by everyone, but I don't think there should be a prize purely for participating, or that the highest rewards should be available for everyone, since it just removes the challenge and incentive to try to improve. But in general i would say even as it is now at 10% it is attainable by anyone that is willing to learn the combo.
in my experience these time trials and their rewards have been really good. I only started playing with the release of gt7, and there was a learning curve to be able to gold the licenses, missions and circuit experiences. But I'm glad they were a challenge and pushed me to become a better driver, and the level that pushed me to allows me to get into gold for these time trials, and time trials are one of the few things that keep the game fresh and challenging.
As you say there is a large skill spread in this game, and somehow you have to cater to them all. And I think the way PD has done it by setting a percentage from the best time is extremely fair and smart. It means as many people as want to can get the reward, and it's not capped for say the top 3%. But yeah some people will need to spend a lot more effort to get into the reward zone than others. Personally I have spent anywhere from a couple hundred to several thousand (road Atlanta) kilometres. But most of the time all you need for gold is knowing the braking points, gearing and apex speeds, and a rough idea of the lines. You usually don't need track limit abuse etc unless you want to be in the very top.
Just like the circuit experience, obviously nordschleife is going to be hard since it is so long, but the time trial is there now as an incentive for anyone no matter how good to practice and learn and improve and see what they are capable of. Some won't make it into bronze, but I don't think it is fair to equate that to the system being designed to screw them over and not allow them to have fun. The fun of a time trial is specifically to learn how to drive faster to set the faster lap. And for some that just doesn't appeal, and that's ok since there is other content in that case.
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AshenGraey
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Didn't take part in the last TT as I don't enjoy driving those Red Bull cars. This one though is.....what's the word.... interesting? Why adding tune as a variable to that? I've been doing my own TT ranking on that track driving all my favorite cars that are in the game all on stock tune with upgraded brake rotors and pads with sport soft tires. Its been fun to see where I end up with certain cars....I was looking forward to this until I saw tuning allowed 😒
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Mikael has been getting feedback on the popularity of Time Trials and the need for greater variety in Daily Races. Which he is passing onto PD.
