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@kobster48 if the circumstances are right tomorrow, do I have your permission to drive the #48 and be eligible to score you some points? I don't know what the rules are on relief drivers but something is better than nothing.
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Official Results of the 'Round the Outside 200
1st: Kobster48 (Driven by GTP_Bambi) - 15 Points (2 Bonus Point, Led a Lap, Led Most Laps)
2nd: trobes29 - 12 Points (1 Bonus Point, Led a Lap)
3rd: Dcrimnal - 8 Points (1 Bonus Point, Led a Lap)
4th: nascarfan1400 - 8 Points
5th: Jayden5536 - 7 Points
6th: BRRT_Angel - 6 Points
7th: tvjmdajuphgj - 5 Points
8th: Peelster1 - 4 Points
Penalties
Dcrimnal - Lap 32 - Avoidable Contact with #14, #83, and #48 (Violates Rule 1.6: 3 Race Probation Extension, 2 Points Deducted)
Jayden5536 - Cool Down Laps - Intentionally wreck multiple cars (Violates Rule 1.6: 1 Race Probation)
1st: Kobster48 (Driven by GTP_Bambi) - 15 Points (2 Bonus Point, Led a Lap, Led Most Laps)
2nd: trobes29 - 12 Points (1 Bonus Point, Led a Lap)
3rd: Dcrimnal - 8 Points (1 Bonus Point, Led a Lap)
4th: nascarfan1400 - 8 Points
5th: Jayden5536 - 7 Points
6th: BRRT_Angel - 6 Points
7th: tvjmdajuphgj - 5 Points
8th: Peelster1 - 4 Points
Penalties
Dcrimnal - Lap 32 - Avoidable Contact with #14, #83, and #48 (Violates Rule 1.6: 3 Race Probation Extension, 2 Points Deducted)
Jayden5536 - Cool Down Laps - Intentionally wreck multiple cars (Violates Rule 1.6: 1 Race Probation)
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Race Control: "It's soaking wet and we have crap wet tires, do you still want to continue?"
Drivers who want to see the world burn: "Hell yes let's make it a ****storm!"
Logical drivers: "100% wet is too dangerous to race with these tires, everything and everyone is a hazard."
Race Control: "We're going back green lol."
Welcome to the INBD Racing League.
Oh, and the opinion of the leader should matter just as much as the others. Have you seen the movie 'Rush'? Anyways it was a pretty fun race and whilst the decision to restart was still extremely stupid and something I don't think Brian France would even do, the finish had me on my toes. Well, I kind of had to be on my toes when Hurricane Death Megatron 3000 was over the race track. @trobes29 thanks for still showing respect even in the closing stages in the race. You could have easily just bumped me off, slammed the door, etc. and beat me that way but you chose not to. I appreciate that.
Fun fact: I finished the race with damage on both front tires (bad wheel hop, chirping, etc) and Trobes finished with rear right(?) damage after the contact we had out of Ascari. I should have avoided that but you were fishtailing back n' forth and if I had jerked my joystick to go around you I would have crashed myself that way. #dangerous
EDIT: In the driver's meeting, Trobes, you said if it was more than 75% the race would be stopped no matter what. The drivers' vote was if it was between 50% and 75%. The race should not have restarted. If @Peelster1, or anyone else who lost positions says anything about this, you need to revert your results to before the restart because he got screwed out of 5th place there.
Drivers who want to see the world burn: "Hell yes let's make it a ****storm!"
Logical drivers: "100% wet is too dangerous to race with these tires, everything and everyone is a hazard."
Race Control: "We're going back green lol."
Welcome to the INBD Racing League.
Oh, and the opinion of the leader should matter just as much as the others. Have you seen the movie 'Rush'? Anyways it was a pretty fun race and whilst the decision to restart was still extremely stupid and something I don't think Brian France would even do, the finish had me on my toes. Well, I kind of had to be on my toes when Hurricane Death Megatron 3000 was over the race track. @trobes29 thanks for still showing respect even in the closing stages in the race. You could have easily just bumped me off, slammed the door, etc. and beat me that way but you chose not to. I appreciate that.Fun fact: I finished the race with damage on both front tires (bad wheel hop, chirping, etc) and Trobes finished with rear right(?) damage after the contact we had out of Ascari. I should have avoided that but you were fishtailing back n' forth and if I had jerked my joystick to go around you I would have crashed myself that way. #dangerous
EDIT: In the driver's meeting, Trobes, you said if it was more than 75% the race would be stopped no matter what. The drivers' vote was if it was between 50% and 75%. The race should not have restarted. If @Peelster1, or anyone else who lost positions says anything about this, you need to revert your results to before the restart because he got screwed out of 5th place there.
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It went way better than I thought it would have on intermediates. Also to the people who accused me of being a bulldozer on the restart need to go look at the replay.Race Control: "It's soaking wet and we have crap wet tires, do you still want to continue?"
Drivers who want to see the world burn: "Hell yes let's make it a ****storm!"
Logical drivers: "100% wet is too dangerous to race with these tires, everything and everyone is a hazard."
Race Control: "We're going back green lol."
Welcome to the INBD Racing League.
Fun fact: I finished the race with damage on both front tires (bad wheel hop, chirping, etc) and Trobes finished with rear right(?) damage after the contact we had out of Ascari. I should have avoided that but you were fishtailing back n' forth and if I had jerked my joystick to go around you I would have crashed myself that way. #dangerous
EDIT: In the driver's meeting, Trobes, you said if it was more than 75% the race would be stopped no matter what. The drivers' vote was if it was between 50% and 75%. The race should not have restarted. If @Peelster1, or anyone else who lost positions says anything about this, you need to revert your results to before the restart because he got screwed out of 5th place there.
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Actually, @trobes29 said from 50-75% during Green Flag conditions we can start voting on if we should throw a Yellow Flag. It's never mentioned about voting under Yellow to go back to Green. However, he also says at 75% it will be a Red Flag no matter what.
If you throw a Red Flag for rain, it makes no sense under the rule to go back to even Yellow Flag conditions if the Red Flag is solely for the rain and not to change to Heavy Wet tires. I still have to agree that under what was said at the driver's meeting we should not have gone back to racing at 75% or higher under any circumstances and I maintain that it was something that should not have been a thing to vote on.
In addition, the rulebook needs a section regarding weather. Clearly stating that we always use live weather for the current track (room settings permitting), the 1% rule at ovals for Red Flag and not resuming again until 0% or a room reset for 0%, and the 50-75%+ rule at road courses and at what percentage the race will be allowed to resume as well as the duration or vote on resetting the room for a simulated extended rain delay. The 10-20% rule about Intermediate tires being required to be put on during a Caution at that point should read either at 10% and higher, at 15% and higher, or at 20% and higher. If you say "between 10-20%" my response is "well, which is it?"
I don't see the point in being forced to pit for Intermediates under Yellow if you already have them on. I know trobes explained about "putting the rain equipment on", however I would think that your pit crew would've done that on your earlier stop whilst putting the Intermediate compound on. It shouldn't be like that, it should be more about a strategy of deciding if you should pit early for Intermediates expecting a Caution and then gaining some track position under that Caution because while the drivers that still have Slicks on MUST pit, you don't have to because you pit early and already have your Intermediate tires on.
As far as a Official Race Results Standings adjustment, the only fair way would be to either, as @Whitetail said, revert to the running order as of that Caution at 75% rain as if the race got rained out at that point, or to rerun the laps after that Caution period. (I don't really see the latter being feasable though, although I've seen rerunning laps done in the past by other leagues, (and even rerunning entire races), but if I remember properly those decisions to rerun were met with much controversy. (Which is why I don't recommend it and feel the only professional way to revert is Whitetail's suggestion.)
To anyone who says "well, we ran those laps anyway and the results post-rain racing should stand", I see a revert here as no different as reverting to the running order on a Green-White-Checkered where we raced back to the finish and then it was decided that it actually should've been a Caution and the Official Results are at the Moment of Caution that was determined post-race despite being told in-race to race back to the line.
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My big problem is kinda themed here. We were told that at 75% the race would be stopped and we would revert back to dry, only to have that ripped away on the fly. Real life NASCAR wouldn't have even restarted. If 100% rain racing is going to continue being an option, we need the correct tires to match, and we also need the race director to stick to his word. The "ability to change rules as wanted" deal has already been abused beyond my level of comfort and we've only had it for a couple weekends. Pick a side and stick to it. Otherwise, you're asking for a trainwreck ending.
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The rulebook change clause isn't even for mid-race, it's for if thing are brought to attention, the rulebook for that race is still used, and then for future races the new change is used with plenty of notice. I don't think trobes has done anything wrong there. It's just when a change is made mid-race, that I have a problem.
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I understand what both of you are saying, and I take full responsibility for the mistake of completely going against what I said in the driver's meeting, but I still would like to explain my reasoning.
My original rule of "75% and the track is too dangerous" was made with far too little wet testing, and that is where the first mistake was. So when it came time and the track was 100%, I was surprised by how drive-able the track was. Because I then realized that the Intermediates Tyres weren't nearly as bad as I thought they would be, I decided to put it up to a vote, much like there would of been a vote if there had been a caution between 50%-75%.
I know it was 100% (hehe) my fault that I made a decision to go again what I said earlier, but the results will stay as they were, but there will be some major revisions to the in-race section of the rulebook.
As a sidenote, @Angel , could you please explain to me some other times I abused the "change penalties when I want" because I'm generally curious. As most of the changes I've made recently were to either fill recently discovered loopholes or to fill them before they get found.
My original rule of "75% and the track is too dangerous" was made with far too little wet testing, and that is where the first mistake was. So when it came time and the track was 100%, I was surprised by how drive-able the track was. Because I then realized that the Intermediates Tyres weren't nearly as bad as I thought they would be, I decided to put it up to a vote, much like there would of been a vote if there had been a caution between 50%-75%.
I know it was 100% (hehe) my fault that I made a decision to go again what I said earlier, but the results will stay as they were, but there will be some major revisions to the in-race section of the rulebook.
As a sidenote, @Angel , could you please explain to me some other times I abused the "change penalties when I want" because I'm generally curious. As most of the changes I've made recently were to either fill recently discovered loopholes or to fill them before they get found.
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I apologize because I understand your concern, it's just that I feel I have to start making more "executive" decision due to the actions some people have been taking towards the Rulebook. It's to the point I'm afraid to penalize people because I know someway somehow, they'll try to find a way around it.
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Then be more aggressive with the penalties. They have the rules available to them. That responsibility of being a babysitter is not in your hands. Be a hard ass. If someone breaks a rule, let them face that consequence. As I said last night, we have three loud idiots, and those three need to understand that there isn't a gray area to step into.
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