On tracks where its unavoidable like Seatle, Costa di Amalfi and so on I count it cause mainly you can't really leave the track with the close walls wether or not you get air. On Trial Mountain I could of avoided the curbing that sent me flying so I didn't count that one, but thats just a restriction on me not you guys. If you want to honor this its up to you, just don't tell me about it. Everyone in this challenge has proven to be an honorable racer and I'm not worried about adding your times to the Benchmark list.
Top Gear Comparo Thread.
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Might I suggest in future head-to-head type contests, where points are given based on place, that the times be submitted via PM. As the later entrants have a time to beat and something to shoot for, and can keep going until they reach it. Although all the times seem completely accurate to the cars, this would avoid any future problem possibilities in these competitions.
(Actually the 3000GT with a SP-suspension is capable of at least 1'38's to 1'37's possibly more though he didn't need to, and the Lancer VII should be able to match the 3000GT if not do better even with just the wing, as it's dimensionally better for rally and similar power)
All the placings in this round is exactly how I expected.
Good times guys, we had quite the reception on the private plane back to the states.
(Actually the 3000GT with a SP-suspension is capable of at least 1'38's to 1'37's possibly more though he didn't need to, and the Lancer VII should be able to match the 3000GT if not do better even with just the wing, as it's dimensionally better for rally and similar power)
All the placings in this round is exactly how I expected.
Good times guys, we had quite the reception on the private plane back to the states.
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I had no takeoff time, they put me on a ship (that's what I get for being the points leader), but it was quite fun zipping around on the nearly empty container ship. I only almost went over the edge twice, and the captain should watch his step, when someone is driving an Impreza on the deck, he almost got hit, damn pedestrians.
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The third round is over and your results are just one line below.
Car-Less, due to being local to the track, was the fastest and gets 75 points.
SVX, after tapping a wall, came in second place, what guarantees him 50 points.
GrumpEone firstly left his rubber mark on a ship and its captains face, and then with the tires being at optimal temperature he came in third place with 25 points.
BH-21 this time was last, and didn't get any points in this round.
And overall points after this round are:
GrumpEone, after getting his 25 points, has total of 185 points and is still in first place.
Car-Less added 75 points to his result, and having 162 points in total, is not very far away from GrumpEone.
SVX stepped one step higher to the third place with total of 103 points.
BH-21 result haven't changed, and he still has only 83 points.
In rally everything is about staying in the power band with short gears. In the last challenge we'll see how long your short gears are. Put back on your road tires and head to your nearest Test track with a Power & Speed event, where we'll check your top speeds. Just like in the previous round the slowest will get 0 points, third - 25 points, second - 50 and 75 points for the first place. Come back after 24 hours and watch out for that Ross Kemp in your boot/trunk/Kofferaum/duck.
Good luck
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I'm actually surprised the Evo VII RS isn't doing better. It cost only slightly more than my car, and stock vs stock it should be the fastest at Trial Mountain by over 2 seconds!
Jet Badger, shall we post our top speeds in this thread, or do you want us to PM them to you as per GrumpEone's suggestion?
Also, talking of short gears, what should I do if I've changed the gearbox in one of my reserve cars? Stock gearbox or modified?
Jet Badger, shall we post our top speeds in this thread, or do you want us to PM them to you as per GrumpEone's suggestion?
Also, talking of short gears, what should I do if I've changed the gearbox in one of my reserve cars? Stock gearbox or modified?
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- Vilnius
I think you can post your speeds in this thread, I don't think that in this challenge you could go faster than your car is capable of.
You can use the modified gearbox, but no adjustments to it in this challenge.
You can use the modified gearbox, but no adjustments to it in this challenge.
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I really meant just for the head-to-head challenges, where placing time matters against each other. Here, you car's top speed, is it's top speed, there is not much you can do about that.
I think he is wondering if he can revert back to normal, as one of my cars I used a Close Trans., which I reverted back to normal for the Top Speed, of course if you bought a FC transmission you should be able to adjust it however you want to, because the top speed will be limited by HP, you can only do so much with gears.
Round 4
GrumpEone heads off to the test track, on the way there, he got pulled-over and got a hefty speeding ticket, guess he was too anxious for the Top Speed Challenge. Luckily, he still has 2,233 Credits left, and paid the ticket on the spot. Finally arrives at the Test Track, and set his Top speed at 159.42 MPH, which is everything that car had, without any power mods, or a fully adjustable transmission.
Top Speed: 159.42 MPH
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GrumpEone, yes, you can use the standard transmission.
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You guessed it, and I think Jet Badger made the right choice - swapping gearboxes over for one challenge would be a lot of work - much more so than the tyres for the last challenge.
Anyway, I'm done. Didn't take long to run this one (gives me a bit of time to writeup the reserve car results), and I got my 3000 GT VR-4 Turbo to 167.78mph.
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I chose not to based on your previous post, not that it would have made any difference whatsoever as to the reserve standings.
Track: Power & Speed: Driving Park Machine Test 0-400m Test Course
Car: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Time: 0'13.830
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 277 HP
Driver: BH-21
* About 102 mph at the finish and 4th gear. *
Track: Driving Park Test Course
Car: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Time: 2'32.825
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 277 HP
Driver: BH-21
* Max Speed 153 mph. *
Curses the poor transmission on the car, my old '91 Silvia had a better transmission then this '96.
Car: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Time: 0'13.830
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 277 HP
Driver: BH-21
* About 102 mph at the finish and 4th gear. *
Track: Driving Park Test Course
Car: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96
Time: 2'32.825
Course Style: Normal
Tires: S2
Upgrade Level: Light
Horse Power: 277 HP
Driver: BH-21
* Max Speed 153 mph. *
Curses the poor transmission on the car, my old '91 Silvia had a better transmission then this '96.
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Umm, BH-21, you should have done the Top Speed event, not the 400m one
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- Vilnius
Damn, just spent mine on those useless black cars at the end of the second cycle. Only ~1,2million left and I don't have all the prize cars, I have a lot, but not all 
Well I'm over 15 million but in the next week or so I have a 2.5 million purchase to make to get the last rare car in GT4 I'm missing. As for prize cars I have everything but the license ones for anything over bronze and a couple of the driving missions. If I hadn't lost my first game it would be different, but I have zero interest in redoing any of those, ever again.
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The Top Gear Comparison #3 is over and here are the final round results:
Car-Less was the fastest and gets 75 points after reaching 167,78mph.
SVX lost his three horses and came second at 165,89mph and with 50 points.
GrumpEone did 159,42mph and gains 25 points.
BH-21s Lancer tried to reach more than 153mph, but didn't make it and BH-21 is left without any points again.
Overall scores:
Car-Less started in 3rd place, but after successfully completing the challenges he finished in the first place with 237 points
GrumpEone was the leader through the most time of the comparison, but dropped to second place after the last challenge. He finished with 210 points.
SVX had the least points at the start, but he finished not last with 153 points.
BH-21, after unsuccessfully completing last two rounds, finished last with only 83 points.
The best 4WD car for 20,000Cr budget now is Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 Turbo.
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Final standings for my 3 Choices, My choice finished 2nd, my second choice would have finished 1st, and my third choice would have been last. My 3000GT
would have inched out Car-less' 3000GT based on the last challenge, and the weight reduction I opted for.
I agree with the assessment that the 3000GT is the best 4WD you can get with 20,000 credits.
This was the best one so far, as the better driver (Car-less) would have been inched out in the same car, based on the upgrades chosen. Showing that the point system worked perfectly, as the choices made, determined the best score.
Congrats, Car-less!
And Jet Badger, you ran your round extremely well!
would have inched out Car-less' 3000GT based on the last challenge, and the weight reduction I opted for.
I agree with the assessment that the 3000GT is the best 4WD you can get with 20,000 credits.
This was the best one so far, as the better driver (Car-less) would have been inched out in the same car, based on the upgrades chosen. Showing that the point system worked perfectly, as the choices made, determined the best score.
Congrats, Car-less!
And Jet Badger, you ran your round extremely well!
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Woo, I won!
Ok, so it was evident 43 hours ago, but now it's official.
Opinions on comparason #3;
1) Loved round 2, both the non-power aspect and the scoring. Can be targetted to benefit those with cheaper or poorly handling cars and also those that know how to tune.
2) Round 3 was fun, but unfortunately cannot really be used for most cars.
3) The scoring for rounds 3 & 4 was a bit too high, and rewarded the same cars with the same points. Maybe only 1 round with this scoring system should be included in each comparason?
Anyway, I have taken note of a few things and incorporated them into my next challenge.
Edit: Agree with GrumpEone - you ran this one extremely well.
Cannot comment on whether or not it was best as it was the only one I have competed in so far, but it was definately good fun.
Ok, so it was evident 43 hours ago, but now it's official.
Opinions on comparason #3;
1) Loved round 2, both the non-power aspect and the scoring. Can be targetted to benefit those with cheaper or poorly handling cars and also those that know how to tune.
2) Round 3 was fun, but unfortunately cannot really be used for most cars.
3) The scoring for rounds 3 & 4 was a bit too high, and rewarded the same cars with the same points. Maybe only 1 round with this scoring system should be included in each comparason?
Anyway, I have taken note of a few things and incorporated them into my next challenge.
Edit: Agree with GrumpEone - you ran this one extremely well.
Cannot comment on whether or not it was best as it was the only one I have competed in so far, but it was definately good fun.
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I would suggest that add-on wings be banned for all future events. They are only really needed on cars around 800 hp and since we don't get up there no need for them. They are also generally unattractive and once one person gets one everyone else is penalized who doesn't as they immediately shave 2 seconds or so off off a given time. Points to this round as an example. I was the only one who didn't get one and the time differences reflect the wing more then the cars. Though my transmission would not have been overcome short of a fully customizable transmission. A very good round though, congrats Jet Badger. Good job Car-less.
I second GrumpEones suggestion to PM times to the event runner during direct competion times, but after the time alloted expires either the event runner should post all the times PM'ed or make a post for the drivers to do so. I would suggest the event runner do it to make things smooth and no editing to be done.
I second GrumpEones suggestion to PM times to the event runner during direct competion times, but after the time alloted expires either the event runner should post all the times PM'ed or make a post for the drivers to do so. I would suggest the event runner do it to make things smooth and no editing to be done.
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So Car-less Clarkson won this one in his AWD sportscar, but what about the other two?
Captain Car-less thought much the same as GrumpEones 3rd driver, and went for a Daihatsu Sirion X4 for 6,950 cr, scoring 130 points.
He too went from 108hp -> 120hp after performing an oil change.
However, he was able to run rings around GrumpEthree with a time of 1:51.835 in the first round only losing 110 points.
In round 2 he insisted that the first modification you should make should always be tyres, so fitted some...
Sports soft tyres costing 5,600 cr. Then, in order to make the most of the limited power he chose to rebuild almost the entire drivetrain with;
A close ratio gearbox for 5,500 cr,
A Large sports clutch for 1,500 cr, and
A Sports flywheel costing 400 cr, leaving just 50 credits which he gave to the GT Auto guys as a thank you for the complimentary oil change the day before.
However, where GrumpEthree managed an 8 second improvement with his modifications, Captain Car-less only managed 3 seconds with a time of 1:48.727, but this was still faster than GrumpEthrees 1:53.598, and scored 62 points.
In round 3, Captain Car-less again showed his driving skills, being almost 4 seconds faster than GrumpEthree with a 1:52.056 in the rallycross, but this was still not fast enough to score any points.
Round 4 was his downfall though. Not wanting to go to the trouble of refitting the stock gearbox, Captain Car-less attempted the Top Speed challenge with the close ratio box still fitted. Result? A very poor 104.63mph, and again no points.
The end result? 130 - 110 +62 +0 +0 = 82points. Slightly better than GrumpEthree, but was it enough to beat Car-less' other choice?
Car-less' Hamster (Clamster) was glad to be out of his cage, and wanted to feel the freedom of a large car. In this price bracket they don't come much larger than the Nissan Stagea RS-FOUR that he bought for 16,300 cr scoring just 37 points.
After the obligitory oil change this wagon had grown from 255hp -> 288hp allowing for a not too shabby 1:45.375 time in the first round, losing just 46 points.
With such a huge car, the obvious first improvement was to shed some weight - almost 200kg in fact as it dropped from 1650kg -> 1452kg.
Weight reduction stage1 cost 1,100 cr.
A Twin clutch costing 2,600 cr was then chosen to make the engine response a little less sluggish, and this took the last credit from his wallet. Balance 0 cr!
So what was the effect? A laptime of 1:43.420 gained the Clamster 38 points.
The third and fourth rounds were somewhat predictable (as already noted). A rallycross time of 1:42.717 and top speed of 156.77mph each scored 25 points for being faster than the Sirion, but slower than everything else.
Final score? 37 -46 +38 +25 +25 = 79 points.
And there's the shocker. The Nissan Skyline derived wagon actually scored less points than the tiny Daihatsu!
Mitsubishi 3000GT 237 points.
Daihatsu Sirion 82 points.
Nissan Stagea 79 points.
Captain Car-less thought much the same as GrumpEones 3rd driver, and went for a Daihatsu Sirion X4 for 6,950 cr, scoring 130 points.
He too went from 108hp -> 120hp after performing an oil change.
However, he was able to run rings around GrumpEthree with a time of 1:51.835 in the first round only losing 110 points.
In round 2 he insisted that the first modification you should make should always be tyres, so fitted some...
Sports soft tyres costing 5,600 cr. Then, in order to make the most of the limited power he chose to rebuild almost the entire drivetrain with;
A close ratio gearbox for 5,500 cr,
A Large sports clutch for 1,500 cr, and
A Sports flywheel costing 400 cr, leaving just 50 credits which he gave to the GT Auto guys as a thank you for the complimentary oil change the day before.
However, where GrumpEthree managed an 8 second improvement with his modifications, Captain Car-less only managed 3 seconds with a time of 1:48.727, but this was still faster than GrumpEthrees 1:53.598, and scored 62 points.
In round 3, Captain Car-less again showed his driving skills, being almost 4 seconds faster than GrumpEthree with a 1:52.056 in the rallycross, but this was still not fast enough to score any points.
Round 4 was his downfall though. Not wanting to go to the trouble of refitting the stock gearbox, Captain Car-less attempted the Top Speed challenge with the close ratio box still fitted. Result? A very poor 104.63mph, and again no points.
The end result? 130 - 110 +62 +0 +0 = 82points. Slightly better than GrumpEthree, but was it enough to beat Car-less' other choice?
Car-less' Hamster (Clamster) was glad to be out of his cage, and wanted to feel the freedom of a large car. In this price bracket they don't come much larger than the Nissan Stagea RS-FOUR that he bought for 16,300 cr scoring just 37 points.
After the obligitory oil change this wagon had grown from 255hp -> 288hp allowing for a not too shabby 1:45.375 time in the first round, losing just 46 points.
With such a huge car, the obvious first improvement was to shed some weight - almost 200kg in fact as it dropped from 1650kg -> 1452kg.
Weight reduction stage1 cost 1,100 cr.
A Twin clutch costing 2,600 cr was then chosen to make the engine response a little less sluggish, and this took the last credit from his wallet. Balance 0 cr!
So what was the effect? A laptime of 1:43.420 gained the Clamster 38 points.
The third and fourth rounds were somewhat predictable (as already noted). A rallycross time of 1:42.717 and top speed of 156.77mph each scored 25 points for being faster than the Sirion, but slower than everything else.
Final score? 37 -46 +38 +25 +25 = 79 points.
And there's the shocker. The Nissan Skyline derived wagon actually scored less points than the tiny Daihatsu!
Mitsubishi 3000GT 237 points.
Daihatsu Sirion 82 points.
Nissan Stagea 79 points.
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Thank you guys
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I've finished going through this thread and it looks like fun so I'd like to join the action for next round if that's ok.
ps I'm pretty sure i have all the prize cars, and about 8mill in credits.
ps I'm pretty sure i have all the prize cars, and about 8mill in credits.
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You are more than welcome to join in - the more the merrier.
I have decided to hold off for a few days on posting the next comparason due to one of our regulars being very busy this week. My plan is to announce it sometime Friday, giving everyone the weekend to choose their car, then having a challenge each day monday to thursday.
Although it seems that we are good to go on the next challenge, it might make sense for everyone to spend the next few days filling in the gaps in their (unused) prizecar collection and/or boosting their bank balance - the average value of the entrants this time will be over a million, and we never know what the next one will cost!
I have decided to hold off for a few days on posting the next comparason due to one of our regulars being very busy this week. My plan is to announce it sometime Friday, giving everyone the weekend to choose their car, then having a challenge each day monday to thursday.
Although it seems that we are good to go on the next challenge, it might make sense for everyone to spend the next few days filling in the gaps in their (unused) prizecar collection and/or boosting their bank balance - the average value of the entrants this time will be over a million, and we never know what the next one will cost!
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Top Gear Comparason #4: Racecar (500bhp)
This classic racecar was exactly 40 inches tall, and in GT4 has exactly 500 hp.
You are to choose yourself a racecar with close to 500 hp which will be pitted against the GT40 in a series of challenges. It does not matter how you obtain your car, new, used, or won as a prize, nor does it matter how much it costs - all that matters is that it has close to 500 hp.
You are permitted to choose a less powerful racecar and bring its power closer to 500hp by changing the oil. You are also advised to ensure that your car is rolling on Racing Medium tyres. If not, then you should buy and fit them. No other modifications are permitted.
No settings may be changed except for driving aids which are optional.
Bonus points are available for cars that have to be brought up to spec.
* I want to see each of you championing a different race series, so once a JGTC car has been chosen, no other JGTCs are permitted (unless we have more than
** When I say close to 500 hp, I mean close. Up to 5% deviation will be permitted, but no more than that.
*** As GT4 awards you a 5% power increase for changing the oil in a new car, cars with as low as 453hp will be eligible after an oil change. Cars above 500hp are not permitted to have their oil changed.
**** Deadlines will be set for each challenge, and I'll be deducting 1 point per hour for anyone that misses a deadline. Consider this the virtual equivalent to points being deducted for breakdowns.
You have 72 hours to choose your car and announce it here.
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