Touring Car discussion - WTCC, BTCC etcTouring Cars
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The WTCC somehow did something right for a change. I am actually amazed.
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WTCC at the Nordschleife: It's not just for SimBin PC racing sims anymore.
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I have never failed to enjoy Touring cars on Nordschleife. GT5, Race '07... No matter what, the racing is always incredibly close and fun.
But, given that it is WTCC, not BTCC or CTCC... Darn, the field will be split by a few kilometers...
But, given that it is WTCC, not BTCC or CTCC... Darn, the field will be split by a few kilometers...
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- ltgaff
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If they really want to revive the Nürburgring's place in global motorsports, they should invite every major touring car series there for a week of racing in a kind of touring car festival.
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The nurburgring maybe but the Nordschleife? Lol
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I remember looking through the list of FIA circuit grades, and the Nordschleife is indeed grade 3, as is Bathurst. GP-Strecke is grade 1, unsurprisingly.
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Am I the only one who is completely not interested in this? A desperate attempt of the WTCC to attrackt some publicity. The series is far from huge and popular and with the few manufactures that race there it's hardly and interesting series. No wonder why some WTCC racers chose different paths after last year. Next year there will be probably even less WTCC cars again. It puts the name World Touring Car Championship to shame. A lot of talent waisted in an extreme dull series.
The Nordschleife may be nice to drive on for the pilots but the watch it on TV is quite boring with a handful of cars. Even if they can get a full grid I can't see this becomming very exciting.
The Nordschleife may be nice to drive on for the pilots but the watch it on TV is quite boring with a handful of cars. Even if they can get a full grid I can't see this becomming very exciting.
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- ltgaff
The GP circuit is grade 1. And yeah, the Nordschleife is grade 3, but "because it's the Nürburgring". They would not accept any other track with similar characteristics.
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- Mike-ZENKAI
Totally agree with the above.
Great news that a world series is racing once again on the Nordschleife but WTCC is not exactly a grid to fill the Nordschleife. Not going there to see a couple of Citroens come by, and than, a few minutes later followed by the rest of the pack.
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A new touring car series, to be known as TC3, has been floated as a support series to Formula 1 from 2015.
What makes this so odd is that the series does not want to overshadow the World Touring Car Championship, but is immediately parking itself in front of a larger audience. And it has an emphasis on affordability and privateer teams, which directly addresses the problem of Citroen showing up with a blank cheque.
What makes this so odd is that the series does not want to overshadow the World Touring Car Championship, but is immediately parking itself in front of a larger audience. And it has an emphasis on affordability and privateer teams, which directly addresses the problem of Citroen showing up with a blank cheque.
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Yup they bypass the WTCC like that on all fronts. Viewers, affordabillity, popularity and as a pre-program of F1. If they get the deal completely done I think it will overshadow WTCC anyway. I asume more privateers means also a broader range of manufacturers to participate?
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Details of the idea are only just being made public. But from the sounds of things, manufacturers won't be supporting teams. The name itself is derived from the class system in WTCC - TC1 is the premier category, and TC2 is for older models. TC3 implies that it will be a lower category again.
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I understood that but I think I expressed myself wrongly. If it is run by privateers they have a lot of choice to choose a car model from a certain manufacturer. This means that the field can be much more diverse. The concept can be a hit if the rules and regulations are well setup. The affordabillity is a good thing and if they pull it off to be in the pre program of F1 it also could attrackt a different kind of driver.
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Just need to implement NGTC regulations and it might actually work.
After reading a bit more into it, it's an ex WTCC promoter behind it, FIA ahve already said they have nothing to do with it but will protect the rights of the WTCC and such. Hopefully they won't get too heavily involved, particularly if there is interest in running it.
If it succeeds, we can hope the FIA pay attention and alter WTCC to be more, exciting.
After reading a bit more into it, it's an ex WTCC promoter behind it, FIA ahve already said they have nothing to do with it but will protect the rights of the WTCC and such. Hopefully they won't get too heavily involved, particularly if there is interest in running it.
If it succeeds, we can hope the FIA pay attention and alter WTCC to be more, exciting.
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That would be great. I really like the NGT-regulations and in the UK it proves to be a great success!
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Interesting article!
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2014/07/05/of-course-you-know-this-means-war/
Could well mean the end of WTCC as we know it.
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2014/07/05/of-course-you-know-this-means-war/
Could well mean the end of WTCC as we know it.
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If a tree falls in the forest and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
However, as much as I like the idea of TC3, I think it faces a few major problems:
1) Supporting Formula 1 will put it in front of audiences, but the circuit selection isn't great. Monza, for instance, is amazing for Formula 1 cars ... but the WTCC races sucked.
2) Calling it TC3 immediately puts it a step down from the WTCC, if competing is their undisclosed intention.
3) As GP2 Asia demonstrated, setting up a satellite series in Asia is very difficult, as the greater travel distances automatically push the costs up.
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Low powered touring cars on GP circuits is a bad idea. Touring cars on a global arena is also a bad idea.
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But it works on a regional level. So maybe the FIA can run with that; abandon the idea of the WTCC and instead focus on a European series.
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Or just have that areas touring car series as a guest appearance so btcc at silverstone as they already have the V8s supporting at Melbourne etc
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GP ticket prices would be extortionate though.
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Naturally, but I think there is merit in the idea of having a high-quality touring car series running at a multi-national level. The BTCC, for instance, is a fantastic series - and there are some fantastic circuits out there, like Hockenheim, the Red Bull Ring and Aragon. Maybe the BTCC itself couldn't race there, but if NGTC was picked up for another series, it could produce something special.
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NGTC is flawed. It won't be.
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It was only an example. The point is that there is merit in an international series, if not a world championship.
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NGTC isn't a series though it's a technical relegation.
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Same as TC1, TC2, S2000...
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