Toyota Supra (A90)

[Danoff]

You know, I think that my MR2 really should be a pretty bad car. If you just look at the numbers, especially for the NA version, which I prefer, on paper it doesn't stack up well.

...and then you drive it, and you get it.

 

[RocZX]

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You know, I think that my MR2 really should be a pretty bad car. If you just look at the numbers, especially for the NA version, which I prefer, on paper it doesn't stack up well.

...and then you drive it, and you get it.

And the Cayman, what a failure of a car. The Vette is barely more money and has so much more power, and we all know that those two on-paper stats trump everything else.

 

[TexRex]

Short wheel base makes the ass look squeezed and the cock pit to high even though its a standard l 50/51 inches.

looks like a damn miata, bulky and short. To short is its issue, makes everything look off.

I mean...long nose short deck is a popular feature among front-engined sports cars, particularly when longer engines are utilized. What's more, while its wheelbase is shorter than that of its predecessor, its overall length is shorter still, pushing the wheels closer to the corners (a popular characteristic of sports car styling in general).

Regarding its height, well I see it as bucking the trend of high beltlines and mail slot greenhouses, and that can't be anything but good. It may not be sleek, but that isn't to say it's not athletic.

 

[WolfpackS2k]

You know, I think that my MR2 really should be a pretty bad car. If you just look at the numbers, especially for the NA version, which I prefer, on paper it doesn't stack up well.

...and then you drive it, and you get it.

And cars that are like that, that add up to more than the sum of their numbers, are known for being involving and fun to drive.

And then you have the Supra, not available with a manual transmission.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

And cars that are like that, that add up to more than the sum of their numbers, are known for being involving and fun to drive.

And then you have the Supra, not available with a manual transmission.

Being involving and fun to drive and possessing an automatic are not mutually exclusive. People moaned about the 991 GT3's lack of a manual, and while Porsche did change that up with the 991R and then the 991.2 GT3, it's not like every review went into the 991.1 and declared it a duffer because it had flappy paddles.

 

[Tornado]

But mostly by calling it a supra and failing to give it performance worthy of the name. It not being a GTR/nsx competitor. Which it all boils down to, performance.

They bash it because if fails to live up to the name. Its pathetic looks and mediocre numbers and yahh much of it being a rebadged bmw. They bash it for many reasons, but not because it's not a mkiv but because it's a massive failure to live u to the standard and heritage the mkiv laid down.

So, uh, I see you still haven't quite grasped that the Supra was a 15 year old nameplate before Toyota started chasing Corvettes and 911s with it.

 

[UltimateYosh]

And then you have the Supra, not available with a manual transmission.

And what proportion of the Supra's market would even opt for a manual if it was an option?

 

[FT-1]

And what proportion of the Supra's market would even opt for a manual if it was an option?

For reference, the Jaguar F-Type sells so few manuals (<5%) that the stick-shift option has been withdrawn from the American market.

 

[CarGuru]

For reference, the Jaguar F-Type sells so few manuals (<5%) that the stick-shift option has been withdrawn from the American market.

Though I do get your point, it's probably not the best reference since the F-Type is more of a sports car focused towards the GT aspect. The Cayman, on the other hand, which is arguably a much closer rival to the Supra than the more elegant Jaguar, has over 20% of buyers opting for the manual. Also, with some possible new Supra owners having owned previous generations, it may appeal to them as an option that the car should have.

 

[05XR8]

And a manual may be coming.

That top pic almost looks like an RX-8.

The rear end looks so cool. That's what most Mk IV owners will be looking at... 0.9 seconds behind.

Anyway, can't wait to see it in the metal.

 

[kikie]

Looks very good in that colour with the black wheels. And compared to the Porsche, the Supra doesn't look that small.

 

[mustafur]

Looks very good in that colour with the black wheels. And compared to the Porsche, the Supra doesn't look that small.

Camera Angles can do that.

Although the roof is damn high.

 

[VXR]

I'm torn between red or yellow. I'd love to be in the position to own one. It just seems fun and I like the styling.

 

[kikie]

Yellow for sure with black wheels and lowered.

 

[Grandea GTR]

 

[Silver Arrows]

 

[Keef]

I'm torn between red or yellow. I'd love to be in the position to own one. It just seems fun and I like the styling.

Do you like speeding tickets? Because that's how you get tickets in America.

 

[Supaboost]

So, uh, I see you still haven't quite grasped that the Supra was a 15 year old nameplate before Toyota started chasing Corvettes and 911s with it.

Is it so hard for you to comprehend every gen the Supra become a more and more serious sports car, since it split from the celica. Its whole purpose was to be a top end halo sports car.

Mkv is a Celica at best, but a overpriced frs 2.0 is what it really is.

 

[FT-1]

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Has the sort of caption you would find on a teenage girl's Instagram selfie, but it actually makes sense in this context.

 

[Tornado]

Is it so hard for you to comprehend every gen the Supra become a more and more serious sports car, since it split from the celica. Its whole purpose was to be a top end halo sports car.

Mkv is a Celica at best, but a overpriced frs 2.0 is what it really is.

So that's a "yes" then. Gotcha. I'll try one last time:

The Supra name was used on different cars that competed on the market in dramatically different ways depending on where Toyota thought the money was. The most of an identity it ever had was "upscale brand flagship with a straight 6". It's barely different than the Fairlady of each contemporary generation was. Making an A90 that is more in line with one of the ones that was absolutely buried in praise its entire life despite not being the most powerful, fastest or best handling car while still being dramatically more expensive than ones that were ((that'd be the A60) is no less a valid way to use the nameplate than making the A80.5 that you keep trying to act like you don't actually want, even as you pick up goalposts and throw them out of the stadium to try and make the A80 look better than it actually was to make the A90 look worse. The United States and Europe also didn't get the limited edition versions that might have saved the A70s reputation from being an unreliable gimmicky lardass, so it's pretty hard to pretend (though no doubt you'll keep doing so anyway) the car "become a more and more serious sports car" every time it was redesigned either.





Keep that in mind next time you so definitively declare what cars it should be competing against based solely on 0-60 times that it doesn't actually fall on its face in comparison of. Or not, since I'm sure it won't take this time either.

 

[David]

So that's a "yes" then. Gotcha. I'll try one last time:

The Supra name was used on different cars that competed on the market in dramatically different ways depending on where Toyota thought the money was. The most of an identity it ever had was "upscale brand flagship with a straight 6"....

I think this article has a pretty good explanation of exactly that (and a provocative title to go along with it).

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a25949060/new-toyota-supra-should-have-been-suv-crossover/

 

[TexRex]

I think this article has a pretty good explanation of exactly that (and a provocative title to go along with it).

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a25949060/new-toyota-supra-should-have-been-suv-crossover/

I swear I've seen Trout Mask Replica referenced so much lately...

Is it meme-ing?

 

[David]

I swear I've seen Trout Mask Replica referenced so much lately...

Is it meme-ing?

The internet'll do that.

 

[Supaboost]

So that's a "yes" then. Gotcha. I'll try one last time:

The Supra name was used on different cars that competed on the market in dramatically different ways depending on where Toyota thought the money was. The most of an identity it ever had was "upscale brand flagship with a straight 6". It's barely different than the Fairlady of each contemporary generation was. Making an A90 that is more in line with one of the ones that was absolutely buried in praise its entire life despite not being the most powerful, fastest or best handling car while still being dramatically more expensive than ones that were ((that'd be the A60) is no less a valid way to use the nameplate than making the A80.5 that you keep trying to act like you don't actually want, even as you pick up goalposts and throw them out of the stadium to try and make the A80 look better than it actually was to make the A90 look worse. The United States and Europe also didn't get the limited edition versions that might have saved the A70s reputation from being an unreliable gimmicky lardass, so it's pretty hard to pretend (though no doubt you'll keep doing so anyway) the car "become a more and more serious sports car" every time it was redesigned either.


Keep that in mind next time you so definitively declare what cars it should be competing against based solely on 0-60 times that it doesn't actually fall on its face in comparison of. Or not, since I'm sure it won't take this time either.

It's called a celica or frs/86. If you want a mid range affordable toyota sports car. This frs 2.0 sorry mean mkv is as pathetic a use of the nameplate as they could have possibly come up with.

Hell Nissan might as well can the Z and move the GTR down market to compete with base mustangs while the next Vett should be a miata competitor lol. That's the level of joke this car is.

 

[TexRex]

The internet'll do that.

Sure, but why now? The album was released 50 years ago and the internet as a common element is 30, give or take.



...

 

[Tornado]

It's called a celica or frs/86. If you want a mid range affordable toyota sports car. This frs 2.0 sorry mean mkv is as pathetic a use of the nameplate as they could have possibly come up with.

Hell Nissan might as well can the Z and move the GTR down market to compete with base mustangs while the next Vett should be a miata competitor lol. That's the level of joke this car is.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I wish I had the endless capacity for denial and not wanting to admit I got owned on the internet by people who actually know a thing or two.

 

[McLaren]

I wish I had the endless capacity for denial and not wanting to admit I got owned on the internet by people who actually know a thing or two.

Would be nice if the thread was locked for 6 months and we see how things turn out by summer when actual journalists, whether external or internal here, have driven it. Until then, the "argument" is literally based only on biased opinion.

 

[05XR8]

It's called a celica or frs/86. If you want a mid range affordable toyota sports car. This frs 2.0 sorry mean mkv is as pathetic a use of the nameplate as they could have possibly come up with.

Hell Nissan might as well can the Z and move the GTR down market to compete with base mustangs while the next Vett should be a miata competitor lol. That's the level of joke this car is.

It was already addressed why GT-R moved up-market. They've got the Z car to do that. Next!