Toyota Supra (A90)
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Being a rebadged bmw not even an m, how do you think the mustang community would take it if Ford rebadged a Kia stinger as the next mustang ? The looks are disgusting, just way too disproportional the fake vents.
But mostly by calling it a supra and failing to give it performance worthy of the name. It not being a GTR/nsx competitor. Which it all boils down to, performance.
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Acura sold 170 NSX's in 2018. I'm not sure chasing the 100k+ market is a good idea. Want to suggest another target?
Thus why a 40k or even cheaper to 100k Supra line up is the way to go, you know kinda like the vett. Sale to the masses while also giving the hardcore what they want.
The Supra always had the slow cheaper versions.
As i said before, build a new celica/Supra on the same platform.
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And you'd complain. If the FT-1 was built exactly as it is except for the badge at the rear, you'd complain. If the LFA was the Supra, you'd complain. If this was the GT-R/NSX competitor you want, you'd complain because it's not exactly what you want. The only way for you to not complain would be if Toyota literally started building the Mk IV again. And even then, some of you would complain.
The you is not you in particular, instead it's all the people like you, who seem to have placed the Mk IV in a bubble and believe that's the only Supra.
We do not love the Mk V as if it was the best car in the world, we're just tired of people constantly bashing it because it's not the exact same damn car as the Mk IV.
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Don't you think that's a bit overstated? If they sourced a window regulator from BMW (which would be a bad idea btw), you wouldn't call it a rebadged BMW right?
...but better than the MkIV in my opinion so... agree to disagree on that.
Seems like a small thing to despise.
I'm lost here...
You're trying to map back the GTR and NSX history, but they're very different histories to begin with. The NSX was always a budget supercar (and it still is, if you compare it as honda wants you to). It was always a supercar of a reduced price. The GTR, OTOH, has grown organically into a supercar. It wasn't always.
The Supra wasn't a supercar (that was part of the culture). So you're annoyed that they didn't change it into what the NSX was, or what the GTR evolved into. Which is a weird complaint.
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Wouldn't be easier just to admit that some of you aren't supra fans at all, you just only liked the MK IV and don't like this car is effectively not a modern day MK IV?
Its just as hilariously dumb as the people complaining at the time that the current NSX isn't "True NSX" just because it looks less like the era it comes from despite having the exact same team who worked on the first one behind it. I'm gonna guess none of these people can actually afford the cars they complain about, they just want their 90s-2000s JDM days back.
Its just as hilariously dumb as the people complaining at the time that the current NSX isn't "True NSX" just because it looks less like the era it comes from despite having the exact same team who worked on the first one behind it. I'm gonna guess none of these people can actually afford the cars they complain about, they just want their 90s-2000s JDM days back.
They bash it because if fails to live up to the name. Its pathetic looks and mediocre numbers and yahh much of it being a rebadged bmw. They bash it for many reasons, but not because it's not a mkiv but because it's a massive failure to live u to the standard and heritage the mkiv laid down.
People wanted a Modern interpretation of the Supra, not the old one and especially not a bastardized bmw.
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I think that's probably a good description of the no-win scenario that Toyota is in with some mindsets. If you want it to live up to the hype (not necessarily the reality) of the original and go up against its old rivals, you have to make it a supercar. And then you make it inaccessible, which was part of the appeal of the original.
So you either sacrifice the accessibility or the performance hype. They decided to make it accessible instead of transforming it into a supercar, and you'd think that the majority of the car world would rejoice at that decision.
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I'm increasingly convinced Toyota made the right move NOT appealing to MK IV fans. I suppose you want them to make a car I've been a member of RX-7 club since 2004. I've never seen anything close to this level of emotional breakdown, even through all the let downs for that community. I still don't understand why you registered to this forum in the first place.
You also haven't really defined what a modern interpretation of the Supra would be. Let's hear it.
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I'm increasingly convinced Toyota made the right move NOT appealing to MK IV fans. I've been a member of RX-7 club since 2004. I've never seen anything close to this level of emotional breakdown, even through all the let downs for that community. I still don't understand why you registered to this forum in the first place.
I'm gonna second the notion that they made the right call by keeping it accessible to many - because honestly, as some have said here, the bonkers level of performance is really not needed or usable for many people. It doesn't matter if it can do 3000 mph in 0.2s, because you're never going to do it. It's a car that people can buy, and if it's tons of fun, what more can ask for really?
Its a bmw with a toyota designed body, what am i overstating ?
Yes looks are subjective, mkv being a disproportionate mess is not.
Seems like a small thing to despise.[/QUOTE]
Maybe if that all there was. But it fits, its a fake.
Gtr is 100k, sorry that not a supercar territory.
So the Culture was its not a super car but near supercar performance is that what your saying? now you see the issue with the mkv. A mustang GT will walk it.
you love the rx8 ?
Yet toyota is banking on selling the "supra" off the hype the mkiv build over the years.
How is a bastardized Z4 a modern Supra ?
You can ask for an actual toyota, lets start with that.
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kinda have already but ok.
- As cheap as they can go to please most of you, too 80/100k for me.
- don't care about the low end versions, about 500hp.
- 3000 to 3700 i don't care if the overall performance was there.
- 2/4 don't care either.
- vett /gtr but am in no way against a cheaper version you all clamor for.
Visual as close to the ft1 as possible, size more vett like less z4.
The car is to short for the ft1 design language. what more you want ?
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You could start by elaborating on that. I mean...there's a great deal that I don't like about the car's styling (chief among them being the "vents and vents and vents and vents" theme they seem to have half-inched from Ferrari, regardless of functionality), but "disproportionate" strikes me as intentionally ambiguous, and even then I fail to see how it applies.
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I agree. I've said it before, the car does seem a bit disproportionate, although to me the problem is it looks too tall, which indeed makes it look a bit short. Still, I'll wait and see what it looks like in person before coming up with my final opinion. Not the first car that looked weird to me in pictures, and most of them have turned out to look pretty good in person.Short wheel base makes the ass look squeezed and the cock pit to high even though its a standard l 50/51 inches.
looks like a damn miata, bulky and short. To short is its issue, makes everything look off.
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Happy to. I was on board like you when Tada-san said they're all easily to make functional. But I feel like the proof is in the photos:
https://jalopnik.com/i-just-dont-believe-what-the-toyota-supras-chief-engine-1831838527
That's fair, though I think it looks fantastic. A much better retro execution than the 5th gen. It looks taunt and muscular (shame about that outward visibility though!). I will admit that it doesn't look radically different than the previous generation. That doesn't always seem to be a problem though (seriously, can anyone tell any of the last 3 generations of Audi A6s or A4s apart?). I apologize if it seemed (or I did?) that I put yours in your mouth. Likewise, I never said the existence of the Camaro SS will doom the Supra. I just used it as an example of how difficult a market position Toyota is putting the Supra into, for what you can get for your performance money.
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It’s a car best looked at from above. The angles taken from down low or looking up are where it can display it being really tall and off putting.
