Toyota Supra (A90)
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But not Porsche sports cars, that this car supposedly competes with. All their vents and exhaust tips are real.
I read his statements as well, and was relieved...until I then saw an article or two that physically showed that not to be the case. Almost none of those vents are potentially functional without use of a reciprocating saw blade. And the huge rear door vents? Saying they could easily be used is straight up a bold faced lie.
Great looking car people will buy instead of the Supra.
Yes, the two seat, ~3400 pound two seat sports car with ~330 hp is pretty similar to the other ~3400 pound two seat sports car with ~330 hp. Certainly moreso than the ~3700 pound 4 seat boat that has a visual design going on a decade old even after two emergency nose jobs in two years. It's similar to how the Corvette you keep bringing up as a comparison to the Supra is also a lot closer to the Cayman in market.
Let's take this a bit further to try and help you out a bit: No one else has mass produced a rear engined car except for econoboxes since 1995. Does the 911 have no competitors on the market?
So they aren't going to buy the M2 Competition that you just said was a Supra competitor in the other thread, then.
The new Camaro front end (all 3 of the options) are pretty ugly. I don't know WTF they're thinking. Still, their sales aren't that bad. And their sales did go down because they made the Camaro a more sports focused vehicle than the previous generation, as well as the Mustang. It's smaller and lighter than the Mustang, and with far superior handling dynamics. It's sad that such things hurt sales (weeds out the people just looking for a boulevard cruiser) but that's the nature of the beast. I'm still trying to figure out why you hate it so much, especially since a Camaro SS is the best performance bargain under $40k, and the SS 1LE the best under $50k. It truly is a world class sports car in most variations.
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Do you mind sharing the article @WolfpackS2k? Not doubting you, just interested to read what really is and isn’t as Tada says.
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You know what probably hurt sales a lot more than having "far superior handling dynamics" to the Mustang? Looking almost identical to the car it replaced that was riding a dated fad; all the way down to having the same glaring problems with packaging that its competitors didn't suffer from. Two desperation restylings since it debuted wouldn't have helped.
I'm still trying to figure out why you keep putting words in people's mouths. I'm capable of recognizing that the Camaro is a good performance car without jumping to the conclusions being made about how doomed it will make the Supra on launch.
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The Camaro has an existentially-inescapable image problem. It has always been and will always be driving, however nicely, in the shadow of the Mustang. I wish GM would apply all of the genuinely-excellent engineering into a package that doesn't have to carry the baggage (and visibility problems) of the Camaro. The 130R gave me a moment of hope. Maybe a new Monza? Or cross-polinate and make a new Manta...which could even be sold in Europe as an Opel! My plan is brilliant.
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So it's a Toyota now? Thought it was a BMW...
Completely wrong with assuming someone looking at a Porsche(Cayman doesn't matter). won't look at the Supra.
My Brother bought a brand new Macan S, when he retired as a NY Highway 1 Police Officer. He always wanted a 911 since we were young(this was after seeing Jeff goldblum driving one in the movie "Thank God It's Friday"). Changed his tune, due to life threatening injuries while on duty.
After he moved to Miami, he bought a new Ducati and a new Jeep. Sold them both and then bought the new Macan S and a new Harley. He then did a trip around the USA. While in his trip, he missed driving a manual.
He traded the Macan S for a new Mustang GT and and new Escape for his wife. You will not tell me "NO ONE" will cross shop a Cayman and Supra.
I was in Sales and Service. Holden, Toyota, Subaru, Kia and Mazda. If you're in sales, you know what cars come in to be traded. People will bring in a prestige brand to try and come out on top.
Toyota aren't trying to win a Porsche purist. They're looking at people choosing a car in this segment. Thought you realised this by now.
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Any thread which starts out about a new car, devolves into an in-depth discussion of the old one, and then explodes into a take on everything remotely close in the market including nuanced discussions of the existential identity problems of longtime car models is just gold in my book. Not at your expense good sir, but because of your willingness to fully engage. 👍
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My blue '79 Supra had back window louvers like this one. Worked a treat for cooling the interior, especially since I worked across 40 counties in Texas as a petroleum landman. I also had the pleasure of driving my Supra across the continent. It was stable at illegally high speed, I can assure you. I thought of it as the perfect Grand Touring car, a poor man's Mercedes-Benz 300SL, and still do.
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That does it. If the 86 can get window louvers, then why doesn't the Supra have any?
My blue '79 Supra had back window louvers like this one. Worked a treat for cooling the interior, especially since I worked across 40 counties in Texas as a petroleum landman. I also had the pleasure of driving my Supra across the continent. It was stable at illegally high speed, I can assure you. I thought of it as the perfect Grand Touring car, a poor man's Mercedes-Benz 300SL, and still do.
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The signature engine of the Supra has always been an inline 6. A four-banger is a step down, for sure. But with proper attention to balancing, say a counterbalance shaft, a small enough four can be made so it doesn't vibrate too bad on a long distance drive, I suppose. A traditional GT car wouldn't use a four cylinder engine.
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The concept of solemnly pulverizing the horizon (somehow perpetually at dusk) in a mediumly-big, crushingly fast & comfortable GT coupe with 6 cylinders in a row and a couple of turbos to active when the mood strikes, with an attractive companion and matching set of luggage is a romantic one. I'm into it. Unfortunately, I think it's a little out of date.
I'd be curious to see some data to back up my speculation, but I would presume:
-The people who would have done road trips in expensive GT cars while staying at glamorous hotels don't exist anymore or have retired from that life
-The people who DO stay at expensive hotels are either business folks, celebrities, or influencer types. And none of them are driving themselves to that hotel. (I'm currently designing a 400+rm, 5-star hotel, it has no parking)
-The people who ARE still out there road tripping, are doing it for the outdoor adventure destinations. Hence the massive interest in overlanding the past few years. You gotta have room for your rooftop tent, your kayak, your mountain bike, your buddies, your portable generator, etc.
The posh road trip is dead, and therefore the machines made for it aren't viable.
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Likely all true. Since my Supra, I have made many transcontinental road trips, some with my lady by my side. We visit out of the way places in the west, like Anasazi ruins, and stay in small motels. Usually we drive 4 cylinder 4 door sedans, but a few times I made my MX-5 with trunk rack do.
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So A TRD version, if the GT86 is anything to go by, will be a body kit and a different set of wheels?
Given the demands i had to prove my mkiv ownership, seems many do care lol. I guess your happy to lose money ? brilliant. So your taking credit for the company demo car now ? seems you do care about your e-peen at least a little bit. I like your deflections skills, so tell me about the lcFs performance, base 911s ? or a M4 cs. Not many buyer's of F cars given the sales failures those are. But ill give you this, LcF looks might sway some if it can achieve legitimate performance (probably cant given Fs history)
on topic - They are fake vents that need considerable body work to be made functional, not as easy as taking caps off as you falsely claim. But hey continue to regurgitate company pr lies at least you get payed to do it unlike most.
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Nope, nope, and... nope. You came in this thread pretending to be the Supra spokesperson and acting like no one here had any comparable experience. All bc you own a Mk IV.
But, you’re really just another magazine bench racer talking to a forum of people who work in multiple branches of the automotive world. You got in over your head displaying your lack of actual business sense, got called out and wanted to act like you have some experience by selling me a watch. Is that your luxury market you referenced? Would clearly explain your severe lack of knowledge with an auto manufacturer.
There’s nothing to tell, the car is still under heavy development. Not that matters; you already lie and make up numbers, you probably already believe you know what it has anyway.
I didn’t claim it, the chief engineer did. But continue to act like everyone else is wrong while you read old Motor Trend magazines.
I have no need to pretend or tout company lines like some. The supra community despises this car, just pointing that out sure infuriated many of you. Buddy you're the one acting your an expert because you work at a dealership lol, sale me a lc or wait no i'm not a buyer. You arrogance is pathetic.
But hey extensive body work, as easy as taking caps off. Easy to mistake the two.
