Track Limit Abuse by most Top 10 Drivers

[D3V]

I stopped watching "fastest Lap" Videos cause of this. But as said before, if the game allows it, it's be done that way.

Rememberd me at the new GrandTour Episode i saw hours ago... (Lancia on Rally... Try what you can to win)
I know offtopic... but watch these Episode
(I want a Lancia Delta HF Integrale or S4, then i could go to Races in Swiss )

 

[Robben]

I stopped watching "fastest Lap" Videos cause of this. But as said before, if the game allows it, it's be done that way.

Rememberd me at the new GrandTour Episode i saw hours ago... (Lancia on Rally... Try what you can to win)
I know offtopic... but watch these Episode
(I want a Lancia Delta HF Integrale or S4, then i could go to Races in Swiss )

I started watching the fastest lap replays because of this

 

[Scaff]

It is the drivers fault! Its not like there is a sign with ( hey driver you can cut the corners here go for it). You also dont discover this by driving like it should be.. Ppl who use this are ppl who are looking everywhere to find ways to cheat there way up.

Utter nonsense.

You might have a point if this was the first GT title to allow this kind of thing, but its not, far from it. GT has allowed this kind of track limit abuse from GT5 and that also includes every round of the GT Academy.

This is far more a case of drivers going 'I bet the track limits are as lenient as they have been for the last decade' rather than'I wonder what I can get away with'. Not that the last one is an issue either, the blame lies with the ones who set the limits and have run them the same way for a decade.

 

[nord_clane]

I stopped watching "fastest Lap" Videos cause of this. But as said before, if the game allows it, it's be done that way.

Rememberd me at the new GrandTour Episode i saw hours ago... (Lancia on Rally... Try what you can to win)
I know offtopic... but watch these Episode
(I want a Lancia Delta HF Integrale or S4, then i could go to Races in Swiss )

Not all top10 guys are cutting like crazy...

 

[Spurgy 777]

The italics isn't necessary. I can tell you're pissed off. This is just a game so there's no need to get so passionate. Hold that for your real racing where it truly matters.

I'm not pissed off, I put things in italics because people seem to be ignoring it when it's an important point. I said that I drive in game just as I do in real life and you replied saying that I should drive like I do in real life in game and stop being a jerk, so it seems you either didn't read what I said or completely missed the point, which is why I emphasised it in my response.

 

[Drew71]

Again, this point is completely irrelevant. It's not about the person it's about the game. If someone was a known alien but riding the walls at Tokyo like a fiend to set to times, I think most of us would say the ability to do that would be ridiculous because it is. Why? The game allows and they'd be top ten anyway so who cares? If an alien drives backwards into the pits to shave a lap off does that still make it ok? Why not? The game allows it so it should be fine. Same with the grip bug. Game allows it so stop complaining. It's not about who is fast and whether the exploit allows them to be fast. It's about realism, it's about immersion. It's about conforming to real life standards.

GT5 and GT6 had various physics exploits around camber, ride height, aero etc. and I abused them like ten men because I could. But it never stopped me from posting about it and wanting it changed to be more realistic because it would make the game more realistic, more immersive, more believable and just a better game overall.

You’re now comparing someone riding the wall and entering a pitlane to achieve a IMPOSSIBLE lap time to someone who found a tenth or half a tenth of a second because PD Said “we will set the penalty for corner cutting here” you are playing their game, you play by their rules. All the people you are saying are exploiting the system in this chat especially Spurggy, are fighting against real cheaters that are using grip bugs, and real cheats. Get ahold of what you are trying to fight here. Cause this is just a joke.

 

[zzz_pt]

I dare all of those complaining to do a lap without "corner cutting" and share it. Do your best. Share it. When I get home I'll do it too. Until then, keep complaining.

 

[Drew71]

I dare all of those complaining to do a lap without "corner cutting" and share it. Do your best. Share it. When I get home I'll do it too. Until then, keep complaining.

I️ second that, this thread is just a bunch of salty people upset that they can’t find the time.

 

[nord_clane]

I dare all of those complaining to do a lap without "corner cutting" and share it. Do your best. Share it. When I get home I'll do it too. Until then, keep complaining.

I'm fine with you lap first of all. Just the steering aid should be turned off imo...I did a 2.03.3xx and was right behind you yesterday in the top 10 list.

You may remember...

But again, no offense from my side mate

 

[VFOURMAX1]

If you want to be fast, you have to push the limits of the game.

I also think PD should make something though. Until then, I'll continue doing this. It's not like I'm doing something the others can't.

If he's not getting penalties for it, what's the big deal? maximum use of the track, whatever that includes.

The same limits apply to everyone, please show the rules where you cannot go over the lines ?

I think you need to look up the definition of cheating mate

as OP said, it's the games fault not the drivers fault for taking advantage of it. he is only doing what others are allowed to do also, therefore he is not cheating

This is exploiting a system that Polyphony put in place. It's not bypassing the rules, its running to their limit.

No, in the real world the drivers drive to the track limits set by the stewards/clerk of the course before a race and there are many examples of track limits being set beyond the white lines in real world racing, and these rules will differ in different series at different tracks. To say it is cheating in GTS to not run to the rules set in a real world championship is just like saying it's cheating for touring car drivers not to follow the same track limits as F1 drivers, it's complete nonsense. Just like in the real world drive to the agreed upon track limits and not some arbitrary "moral" standard or some other unrelated set of rules.

As I read these post I almost have to laugh as the other day in the thread about wall riding at tokyo people were saying the same about racers "cheating". Even though I do not race on that circuit at all I was saying that pushing the limits the game allowed was not cheating as everyone had the option to do it and was being crucified from multiple directions for my incorrect opinion on the matter.

Wish you guys had of been there for that one for support. Exact same thing only one is allowable excessive course cutting and one is riding the wall.

The game allows it by all players so maybe an exploit of the limits but definitely not cheating. Same opinion I had in the other thread .

 

[zzz_pt]

I'm fine with you lap first of all. Just the steering aid should be turned off imo...I did a 2.03.3xx and was right behind you yesterday in the top 10 list.

You may remember...

2:02:3xx? Top1 was 2:02:555. What's your nickname? I've raced agsisnt several people who were next to me in the top10.

 

[nord_clane]

2:02:3xx? Top1 was 2:02:555. What's your nickname? I've raced agsisnt several people who were next to me in the top10.

2.03.3xx, sorry :-D

I just did 1 race and about 7 Quali laps Yesterday, did not have more Time

 

[Mr P]

Not much difference in the people who are exploiting

In that video the guy goes off track to gain extra time by going into the pitts! be it a 1 second gain cutting corners during a hotlap or a whole 1 lap advantage using the pitt glitch in a race.. the track was still left to gain an unfair advantage over other drivers

Pointless really arguing amongst each other here as everyone has there own opinions and morals and we are all right going by our own principals! but nobody is going to find a solution other than PD when they fix it in game.. then some other advantage will be found and we will be back to square one 👍

 

[JeffKill]

I couldn't set top ten times if I cut corners or not. If the game allows it, it's going to happen. Like others have already said, the top 10 guys would still be there if the track limits were changed.

 

[Scaff]

tbh I thought every corner seemed realistic in terms of track limit, asides from turn 4

That would depend on the regulatory body you are racing in.

The main difference between most tends to be how curbs are interpreted.

The white line being track limit is fairly consistent, at least two wheels must remain on or tarck side of the white line is the norm.

Curbs are what differs, with some not treating them as part of he track, and others (such as the BDRC) do treat them as far of the track, so you can go over the white line if a curb is present, but you have to keep two wheels on the curb.

Run off =/= Curb

https://www.msauk.org/assets/tracklimitsguidance-3.pdf

The issue with a lot of the GTS tracks is that the curbs are absurdly wide.

In real racing this would be cheating, correct? But somehow it's ok in the game? Not everyone will gladly cut the line, because it's there. The rules are: there are track limits. Do not exceed them. If you're exceeding them and not caring then you are at an advantage. But go ahead, if it's that important to you.

No it wouldn't, mainly down to the stupid size of the curbs on some tracks.

However that's a moot point, the limits for tracks in GTS are the limits set by PD, if they allow it then its legal.

Attempting to bring the rules from real series into play in a title that makes no claim to use real world regulations from any specific series is as absurd as trying to use Indy Car regulations in F1.

Now if the track limits in F1 2017 are not the same as in F1 then you have an issue, but no series in GTS claims to be a licence version of a real series.

 

[Spurgy 777]

As I read these post I almost have to laugh as the other day in the thread about wall riding at tokyo people were saying the same about racers "cheating". Even though I do not race on that circuit at all I was saying that pushing the limits the game allowed was not cheating as everyone had the option to do it and was being crucified from multiple directions for my incorrect opinion on the matter.

Wish you guys had of been there for that one for support. Exact same thing only one is allowable excessive course cutting and one is riding the wall.

The game allows it by all players so maybe an exploit of the limits but definitely not cheating. Same opinion I had in the other thread .

Wall riding is different as it is actually against the rules in the game, there are just ways of doing it that avoid detection by the game which is an exploit and illegal, just as doing the pit glitch is. "Cutting" corners on the other hand is not some trick we do to avoid getting a penalty, that is simply where the track limits are and it's where the game intends us to be allowed to go.

 

[BSDShoes]

Yes. I'm "cheating" by winning to real cheaters. If I wanted to cheat, I'd be the German guy in this video and not me.



He lost.

I can't believe PD hasn't fixed that yet. A month ago or so someone did that in my race and I was in 4th, but I spun out and fell back to 13th and a couple laps later the real leader (in 2nd) reached the glitcher and spun him out and after that the glitcher fell down the grid and I ended up behind him- he was constantly, constantly, constantly blocking me as I was easily faster than him.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You’re now comparing someone riding the wall and entering a pitlane to achieve a IMPOSSIBLE lap time to someone who found a tenth or half a tenth of a second because PD Said “we will set the penalty for corner cutting here” you are playing their game, you play by their rules. All the people you are calling cheaters in this chat especially Spurggy, are fighting against real cheaters that are using grip bugs, and real cheats. Get ahold of what you are trying to fight here. Cause this is just a joke.

Please quote where I said anyone is a cheater or withdraw this post. I won't ask again and I will report you for posting false or misleading information if you don't delete this post. You completely missed the point of my post obviously. I've already said numerous times it's not about the drivers it's about the game. Please read more carefully before you respond next time.

 

[CarbonCore]

Jeez I didn't know you could go inside the white line with all four tyres in this game, time to shave off four seconds of my last lap time.

 

[wolfsburgraz]

I don't understand why so many developers have such a hard time with doing track limits. Turn 10, PD, Codemasters, SMS are all guilty.

I'm certain I've received track limit warnings and even flags / penalties or disqualifications from exceeding track limits in the Codemasters Formula 1 games.

Our friends over at T10 are also pretty diligent. Unless they've missed a particular area on a track during their testing, exceeding track limits earns you one of these lovely little triangles ranking your fast "dirty" lap lower than even the slowest of "clean" laps.

They also erect barriers / tire walls on areas of the track people notoriously cut while racing online when they push out updates.

PD should put the effort in to do something similar, especially with their FIA partnership. Then again, this behavior was rampant in the GT Academy events too, right?

 

[Scaff]

Oh, here we go. I was wondering how long it would be! I know. I suck, you're awesome. I need to get gud. Lol.
You guys are a joke, TBH. Take the game and your loser cheating selves and shove it. No one likes to race with cheaters, which most on here are obviously. And defend it. Lol. I don't even know why I posted to begin with, because I really don't do the MP thing for these reasons. I drive like a gentleman and I do it fairly. You guys cheat and will go to the ends of the earth to defend it. And yes, if the game allows it, then it sucks.
Now, go post up your times and tell us all how fast you are! Lol What a joke


I'm laughing at you cheater! Bwaaaahahaha
You're the joke, not me.

You guys cheat. You've been caught on video and all you have left is to defend it and say it's ok. That's all you have. Bwaahahahaha

Stop triple posting and stop being abusive. The AUP is quite clear on this.

 

[Corsa]

The video 17 seconds in haha.

Ugh this game.

 

[marcvic]

I miss the overly sensitive methods that PD used to implement before. License tests, time trials, etc. used to be so much more intense because if you made contact with walls/barriers and went off track, you were immediately hit with a fail or lap invalidation.

I agree with the sentiment that the same people will be top time leaders if/when PD decide to to tighten up the impact/track limits.

 

[Veinz]

I'm certain I've received track limit warnings and even flags / penalties or disqualifications from exceeding track limits in the Codemasters Formula 1 games.

Our friends over at T10 are also pretty diligent. Unless they've missed a particular area on a track during their testing, exceeding track limits earns you one of these lovely little triangles ranking your fast "dirty" lap lower than even the slowest of "clean" laps.

They also erect barriers / tire walls on areas of the track people notoriously cut while racing online when they push out updates.

PD should put the effort in to do something similar, especially with their FIA partnership. Then again, this behavior was rampant in the GT Academy events too, right?

I haven't played this series much lately but Turn 1 at Monaco is the first thing that pops in my head when it comes to the CM F1 games.

I did not buy FM7, but in previous Forza Motorsport games there were always tracks that allowed players to cut or go really wide without invalidating the lap as well. I remember in Forza 6 they ended up adding barriers to some tracks to prevent cutting and going wide, but they didn't do a leaderboard wipe so beating the top times was impossible afterwards.

 

[BSDShoes]

When it comes to track rules, Turn 10 falls behind, I was always able to cut corners in Forza games without penalties, at least in Forza 7 you get a dirty lap indicator when you do so, but online people still cut corners (and not to mention, the crazy bumper cars).

 

[cleanLX]

No, in the real world the drivers drive to the track limits set by the stewards/clerk of the course before a race and there are many examples of track limits being set beyond the white lines in real world racing...

This.
And...
Am I the only one thinking...sweet, gotta try this out. ?

And comparing to the pit lane glitch is not the same in my opinion, as, that allows a racer to race one lap less than all others. Racing one lap less than the filed is a cheat, using all the track that is allowed is, well, using all the track that is allowed...
He's still on hardened/prepared surfaces... not like he's off in the grass getting an advantage.

 

[baldgye]

Yeah, that guy is me...

If you want to be fast, you have to push the limits of the game. If the game allows this, why would I lose time and not cut corners?

Honest question: do you think the top guys would not be in the top10 if the game had harsher corner cutting penalties? You're kinda of implicating they wouldn't.

I'll race on the black stuff only if that's mandatory. If it's not, I won't.

Also, during the races I can hardly do that and risk a spin or penalty. Especially on turn 4.

I also think PD should make something though. Until then, I'll continue doing this. It's not like I'm doing something the others can't.

I can tell you I could make 2:03 laps without cutting a single corner.

Edit: just to make this last point. Lots of people from all rankings cut corners. From people who make 2:02 to 2:10. It's not an exclusive of the fastest guys. Braking and accelerating at the right time is what makes time.

This comment should be pinned to the top of that thread for Tokyo wall riding... the ridiculous number of people crying about 'ethics' and 'cheating' for pages and pages and pages...



...also, this is what happens in some 'real' racing... guess these GT guys are unethical too

 

[Shoemacher]

Isn't there two different things going on here - track limits vs game limits?

If you want to look at it of the perspective of the real world and ethos of racing then track limits is the boundaries you aspire to (admittedly with the subtleties of the application of this in real life)

But then this is a game. A game which enforces limits with a different set of rules, the OP run has just exploited this. Personally watching the video introduced me to a new version of this track which transformed the possible lines that are 'valid' - but I think I will continue to run to track limits, accept I will never be the quickest and enjoy the racing.

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

Condemning this is like a blind rusher (excuse the jargon) saying camping ruins FPS games. If you can't beat them, join them; if your ego stops you from doing that, then deal with it. Complain to PD by all means, but to have a go at the player for exploiting a fault in a game is nothing more than...jealousy, maybe?

 

[Jump_Ace]

So most of the times when you see a Top 10 replay. The most shocking thing is the abuse of track limits.

Check this below video of a 2:02 lap at Maggiore last night by a guy. He is blatantly cutting corners,i mean totally cutting corners.

This is a big issue in the game and needs to be fixed. I hope PD fixes this coz its unfair on people who don't know you can abuse a track like this.

Nothing against you mate rather games fault for not detecting it. Just posting an example

The only turn he exploited was the one before T1, the others are fine especially with the looser limits PD allows.


Jerome