Transgender Thread.

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Transgender is...?

  • Ok for anyone

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • Ok as long as it's binary (Male to Female or vice versa)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Wrong

    Votes: 1 6.7%

  • No one's business except the person involved

    Votes: 8 53.3%

  • Don't care

    Votes: 1 6.7%
  • Total voters
    15
Danoff
And the award for best Female Bass singer goes to...

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The overall record is seven and a half octaves lower than that - or twice the difference between her start point and lowest note - at 0.2Hz...

... which I didn't even know was possible and isn't actually audible to humans, but he must make some sexy noises for hippos.


Definitely need a female category for that record, thanks to testicles.
 
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Famine
The overall record is seven and a half octaves lower than that - or twice the difference between her start point and lowest note - at 0.2Hz...
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The what did you just say?

Yea it was my point that females don't usually sing bass. I went searching for that thinking I'd find exactly none. It's not particularly common, but apparently it does exist.
 
If we're talking strictly about the Brit Awards then I don't think they tend to worry too much about the singing abilities of the nominees anyway
 
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Scaff
Thankfully for every time JK Rowling is an idiot we still have Neil Gaiman.
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Given the million quid and movie deal for Stardust he allegedly got from WB not to countersue her after she and they reportedly sued him (and DC) over this:

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I'm either surprised he's going into bat against her, or surprised it's taken this long.
 
UKMikey
I don't get it. What exactly was the basis of her lawsuit?
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Allegedly that The Books of Magic (first published in 1990) stole the character of a young boy called [blank]y [blank]er who discovers he's a wizard, can "fly" on a piece of wood, and has an owl companion, from her book series which was first published in 1997.

I've never seen anything to corroborate the fact that these proceedings ever started; Rowling's brand is notoriously litigious though, so it wouldn't actually surprise me if a suit was launched without checking on fundamental things like dates. It's brought cases against a HP encyclopaedia which she'd actually said she'd used and found invaluable for checking her own work for later books, and the weirdest one that actually happened was Nancy Stouffer. Stouffer made noises about how Rowling had lifted from her books about Larry Potter which contained someone called Lily (Lily also being the name of HP's mum) and another which had "Muggles" in the title, so Rowling's brand sued and did, somehow, win $50k off Stouffer. I recall there was a suit over the film "Troll", though I don't know much about that.

Gaiman has never (to my knowledge) been quoted on the matter except to say "I thought we were both stealing from TH White", and has never commented on the fact that just after these rumblings were first reported he suddenly got one of his works optioned by WB (it was Sandman, not Stardust; that was Miramax [Weinstein] and ended up at Paramount), who produced the HP films (and continue to do so).

It is at best an old author's tale. Whether or not it happened... we'll have to wait for Gaiman's deathbed autobiography to find out.


For my money, having read all of the HP books, she has lifted the fundamental arc from The Wizard of Earthsea and filled it in with bits of Books of Magic, the Once and Future King series (TH White, as Gaiman alludes), and Tom Brown's Schooldays, washed over with a gentle smattering of Pratchett and Vonnegut at the very least (I don't see anything particularly Tolkein in there, despite relatively common claims).

Which isn't really a problem - as both Gaiman and Pratchett noted when asked about Rowling's borrowing, no part of what they're writing about is exactly original to start with - but the result is that there's not really any evidence of creativity in there. It reads like a best-hits of a reasonably solid fantasy library.

I personally regard her writing as very much aimed at tweens; it's all very fragmented, broken up into short sentences, with silly words to make you giggle, and quite twee. None of HP engaged me even slightly - there's a lot of "hey, this guy is mean so he's bad... surprise! He's a good guy and it was the nice man who was bad!" - but then it's not really aimed at me.


The most annoying thing about her to me is the fact she pretends to have a middle name. Also she reminds me of Gillian McKeith.
 
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Famine
Gaiman has never (to my knowledge) been quoted on the matter except to say "I thought we were both stealing from TH White", and has never commented on the fact that just after these rumblings were first reported he suddenly got one of his works optioned by WB (it was Sandman, not Stardust; that was Miramax [Weinstein] and ended up at Paramount), who produced the HP films (and continue to do so).
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This pretty much is Gaiman's thought on it (most of which is post the events in question.

journal.neilgaiman.com

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After the reading, Bill Hader and Doug Jones and I got together for some food. Behind us is Saint Mark's Bookshop, which I only mention bec...
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Famine
The most annoying thing about her to me is the fact she pretends to have a middle name.
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I've still have to go with her rampantly transphobic screed, however the rampant use of deus ex machina figured heavily on my list before she publicly went nuts, as does her hyper-partisan fanbase.
 
Scaff
This pretty much is Gaiman's thought on it (most of which is post the events in question.
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I remember the stuff about The Scotsman - Pratchett had something similar with the Times - but I hadn't heard anything specific about Stouffer until that just there. In fact I hadn't heard of Stouffer until well after the urban legend of Sandman (not Stardust!) was doing the rounds...

... and Gaiman there reckons the rumblings about the Rowling/WB suit against Gaiman/BOM started with Stouffer in 1998, but with Gaiman as the litigant? The early internet really was a different time.


Weirdly Gaiman says there that WB "optioned" Sandman before HP was ever published. It kinda fits - WB was adapting DC stuff at the time already, because they're the same company - but I don't recall anything serious about it until the early-00s. Looking into it, Wiki says there was a script in 1996 (pre-Potter) and another in 1998 (post-Potter), based specifically on Gaiman's Sandman (he doesn't own Sandman, as he says, but as he's repeatedly been involved in scripts for productions based on his Sandman I imagine he has some part of a finger in that pot), then not much until 2007 (the one I recall) and a new Goyer treatment in 2013, and of course it's now coming to Netflix.
 
Famine
I remember the stuff about The Scotsman - Pratchett had something similar with the Times - but I hadn't heard anything specific about Stouffer until that just there. In fact I hadn't heard of Stouffer until well after the urban legend of Sandman (not Stardust!) was doing the rounds...

... and Gaiman there reckons the rumblings about the Rowling/WB suit against Gaiman/BOM started with Stouffer in 1998, but with Gaiman as the litigant? The early internet really was a different time.


Weirdly Gaiman says there that WB "optioned" Sandman before HP was ever published. It kinda fits - WB was adapting DC stuff at the time already, because they're the same company - but I don't recall anything serious about it until the early-00s. Looking into it, Wiki says there was a script in 1996 (pre-Potter) and another in 1998 (post-Potter), based specifically on Gaiman's Sandman (he doesn't own Sandman, as he says, but as he's repeatedly been involved in scripts for productions based on his Sandman I imagine he has some part of a finger in that pot), then not much until 2007 (the one I recall) and a new Goyer treatment in 2013, and of course it's now coming to Netflix.
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Reading the court transcript linked on Gaiman's blog post, it's clear that Stouffer, as he says, lied a lot
 
It's a day that ends in Y, which means Republicans are throwing a bathroom bitchfit.
www.npr.org

Alabama lawmakers advance transgender students bathroom ban

The effort by Alabama legislators comes after the U.S. Supreme Court last year rejected a Virginia school board's appeal to reinstate its transgender bathroom ban.
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legiscan.com

Alabama HB322 | 2022 | Regular Session

Bill Text (2022-04-07) Public schools, restrooms or changing areas, required to be used based on individual's biological sex, kindergarden to fifth grade classroom instruction, limited regarding sexual orientation or gender identity, St. Board of Education to adopt rules [Delivered to Governor at 9:
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So much of a bitchfit that a bill that just passed in the Alabama State House of Representatives has 45 signatories...and every single one of the worthless mother****ers is Republican. The GOP is a ****ing cancer.
 
The bathroom thing is still absurd to me. It could sort of be monitored in schools but for public bathrooms how the hell would anyone even police that? Bouncers on the door?
 
My personal opinion is that there are 2 genders.

However, if viewed as a spectrum, most people tend to be at one end or the other...meaning male or female in the "traditional" sense.

Meaning, most men have the characteristics/desires/instincts of a man, ditto females.

There are some men who are much further along this spectrum and have more feminine, effete, characteristics.

The same with women.

But, these are just extremes (for want of a better word) that are found at either end of this spectrum.

So, one man might be 95% male and 5% female, meaning, aside from a rare departure from the traditional characteristics they are male - while another might be 95% female and 5% male and have very few "traditional" masculine attitudes or instincts etc...

This is, of course, not about the particular reproductive organs of a person.

As I said, this is just my perspective and I'm using simplified language to make a broad point.
 
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Republicans: "If you don't like it, leave."

Also Republicans:



Along with proposed legislation that would subject those who assist women in seeking abortion services out-of-state to civil liability, these rat ****ers have found their new button for depriving Americans of freedoms.
 
I'm not sure that I'm willing to draw a line between people needing/"needing"/wanting body modifications consistent with being transgender and people needing/"needing"/wanting a specific (healthy) limb to be amputated. It's a real thing that people have surgery for, and from what I've gathered the satisfaction rate seems significantly higher than for trans surgery (does seem logical since amputation has far, far fewer variables). Given that, I would expect anyone supporting parents' rights to decide on trans surgery to also support rights on those types of amputation surgeries. How far should the principle go though? If we take it all the way.... I believe that a consenting adult should be allowed to take their own life, should parents be allowed to "greenlight" their child's voluntary death? (I get that not everyone agrees that even consenting adults should have that basic human right)
 
TexRex
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For me? The post preceding mine was one of yours, so I'll assume so.

I know that you have a fine grasp of the English language and present as having plenty of knowledge and intelligence. I know that you're capable of engaging in a much less dismissive and much more thoughtful/respectful way. I don't understand why comparing body identity integrity disorder (as the amputation thing is known as) and trans surgeries would be so confounding for you. Well, that's what I'm gleaning from your post, it's difficult since you chose not to use your words. I get that dismissiveness is about all that some people deserve with what they offer up in here but I sincerely hope that I have earnt / will earn more respect than that.

Now, would you like to have a conversation?
 

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