Transgender Thread.

[Daniel]

@Daniel - "The differences between sex and gender"...

If viewed not as interchangeable terms, referring solely to biological sex, I don't see that there's much point in describing "gender" at all. Still, if there's a want to describe these certain traits/behaviours/roles, I oppose the conflation with sex. Using male/female terminology attaches those descriptions/monikers to biological sex, making it inherently sexist and (in my opinion) societally regressive. I think that it needs to be further distanced (by not using male/female), or not distanced at all. In the same way, I would vehemently oppose there becoming an equivalent distinction between say race and ethnicity, where ethnicity became a term for certain traits/behaviours/roles to be deemed black, white, asian.....

I think that people should be and feel free to look and act how they need/want to, without that being a commentary on what it is to be male or female. I oppose sexism in both its "conservative" and "progressive" forms.

I'd have to go back and do some reading of both Judith Butler and West & Zimmerman's works, but from memory, the intent was describing and highlighting the notion that certain traits and expectations are socially constructed and placed upon individuals because of what is between their legs.

That isn't to say that those theorists applauded it; scholars of feminist theory will probably have done the opposite, especially in cases where said norms negatively affected women.

And then there's the whole notion of gender identity, gender expression, gender euphoria and dysphoria.

Human cultures are complicated, but I definitely don't regret majoring in anthropology

 

[ScottPuss20]

The shoe fits if you want to label yourself that.

Who? Matt Walsh? That moron wouldn't say **** to me. These guys are bitch made in public on their own.

Look in a mirror. You throw a fit every time you talk about transgender & now we all know why b/c you listen to the dumbest people on YouTube.

So people who understand the biological differences between men and women are the dumbest people? Well who are you?

In the very first video Matt's definition was challenged with the idea of a person without reproductive organs. Intersex is a thing and by itself it already makes a neat binary sex classification difficult. Things get even muddier when you realize that people forgo biology all the time when classifying people in social situations. Who checks another person's chromosomes or internal organs before addressing them? No one in day to day life. In many, many cases if someone fits another's internal concept of a man they are labeled as male no matter their biology. The same is true in the reverse situation.

No we don't check organs or chromosomes because that is undignified and totally stupid. That's why we have genders, right?

I myself don't have a problem with using biological definitions for male and female, but even then I realize that those definitions aren't as straight forward in practice as they might seem. Right now we're communicating through the internet where biology is even harder to establish, yet people are still labeled male and female based on a number of factors through this medium. Those factors are subjective in many cases, which makes the notion of identity being subjective as put forward in the video not so far fetched. I think it's reasonable to disagree to the points raised, but not so much to dismiss the idea entirely. I think it's also important to point out that, at least from what I saw, no one was arguing against biological reality.

I think the definitions are pretty straight forward mate.

I'm assuming the insanity is supposed to be in the videos you posted. Can you summarize it? At best I see arguments that sound unpolished perhaps from a lack of preparation, but still touch on some valid points.

Well when a woman, with female sex organs, cannot reproduce, it means that SHE is infertile. She doesn't stop being a woman because her vagina doesn't function as intended. This is not the same as a male not being able to get pregnant because nothing in their biology will ever allow for it! It's not the same!

Wait you actually identify as a cat or is that a joke?

If it's the former, curious why you identifying as a cat is fine but people identifying as the opposite gender or a different one is crossing the line?

Yes, that is a joke.

 

[Daniel]

No we don't check organs or chromosomes because that is undignified and totally stupid. That's why we have genders, right?

What bathroom and pronouns should this person use?



What about this person?



What about this person?



How do you know what gender they are if you can't check their organs or chromosomes?

 

[ScottPuss20]

What bathroom and pronouns should this person use?

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Male

 

[Exorcet]

No we don't check organs or chromosomes because that is undignified and totally stupid. That's why we have genders, right?

Matt brought up organs. So where does that leave his definition?

I think the definitions are pretty straight forward mate.

Rigorous definitions aren't impossible, but then they're not likely to be used in social interactions. This is the problem. If we use Matt's definition, it's not straight forward because like you said it's a stupid basis for classification when interacting with people.

Well when a woman, with female sex organs, cannot reproduce, it means that SHE is infertile. She doesn't stop being a woman because her vagina doesn't function as intended. This is not the same as a male not being able to get pregnant because nothing in their biology will ever allow for it! It's not the same!

This wasn't mentioned in the first two videos.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Matt brought up organs. So where does that leave his definition?

You tell me.

Rigorous definitions aren't impossible, but then they're not likely to be used in social interactions. This is the problem. If we use Matt's definition, it's not straight forward because like you said it's a stupid basis for classification when interacting with people.

That's why have genders! You didn't even read what I said!

This wasn't mentioned in the first two videos.

No but it WAS mentioned in the third.

 

[Exorcet]

You tell me.

I wasn't using the definition.

That's why have genders! You didn't even read what I said!

I did read your post, although I'm not totally clear on what you're trying to say now. Gender comes from a lot more than complications in determining biology.

No but it WAS mentioned in the third.

OK I had not watched that one, but what was it in the first two that you would call insanity?

 

[Jezza819]

Male

Male

Male

Do you know who that is in the first picture?

 

[McLaren]

So people who understand the biological differences between men and women are the dumbest people? Well who are you?

No, people like Matt Walsh can't separate that from gender are, yet speak with all the confident arrogance just to siphon fools' pockets.

 

[TumeK5]

Male

Thanks for confirming that in your tiny mind that bathroom = gender.

 

[Daniel]

Male

Male

Male

Okay, before I give you the answers, I want to fully understand your viewpoint so I can continue the discussion in good faith. I don't want to misconstrue a previous statement of yours regarding "That's why we have genders, right?"

So, can you please clarify what you mean when you say 'male'?

A) Sex is the same as gender. You are saying these three people are all of the male sex and the male gender.
B) Sex is different than gender. You are saying that these three people are of the male sex, but their gender might not match up.
C) Sex is different than gender. You are saying that these three people would identify with a 'male' gender, but their sex might not be male.

Or do you have a different viewpoint entirely?

 

[TexRex]

Pay me no mind. I just want to get this interaction with an embedded image in the quote instead of a forum attachment link for a more effective visual record.

What bathroom and pronouns should this person use?

Male

 

[Scaff]

What? So telling people that there's 2 types of reproductive organs is wrong?

Then you will have no problem defining biological sex at all, as you have been asked repeatedly and refused to adress.

And you're saying that I'm just a dumbass follower? Do you even know who you're dealing with?

Matt Walsh? That's easy he's a far-right grifter, who describes himself as a "theocratic fascist". Let me ask you quite clearly, do you know who he is and do you align yourself with his views? I aks also as you express being disturbed at anti-sematic content here, yet seem unaware that admitted fascist Walsh is a genocide denier.

Let's take a look at Matt Walsh's record:

• Repeated defender of rapists and paedophiles
• Blatant and proud misogynist
• Anti-abortion - including in the cases of rape and incest
• Anti-LGBT - to the point of believing conversion therapy works.
• Racist to the degree he believes the 'great replacement theory'
• Genocide denier (repeat offender)
• Claims Anxiety, depression, ADHD, and DID are not real
• Big, big fan of authoritarianism
• Climate Change denier
• Vaccine denier
• Claims anime is satanic
• Tobacco Good : Weed Bad
• Claims video games make people killers
• Thinks yoga is a pagan ritual
• Claims homeless people are just grifters

Or are you too busy being outraged to see the insanity that trans activists push?

OK I will make this real simple, the bulk of the alleged 'tans-agenda' is not getting murdered by idiots with views aligned with the likes of Matt Walsh, the rest is made up by idiots like Matt Walsh.

One 'agenda' wants to stay alive, and the other wants to actively harm members of society.

Well when a woman, with female sex organs, cannot reproduce, it means that SHE is infertile. She doesn't stop being a woman because her vagina doesn't function as intended. This is not the same as a male not being able to get pregnant because nothing in their biology will ever allow for it! It's not the same!

Tell me you know **** all about biology without telling me you know **** all about biology!

So people who understand the biological differences between men and women are the dumbest people? Well who are you?

Matt Walsh either doesn't or pretends not to, you clearly don't (or you would have defined it when asked or posted the utter tosh above)