TT #47: 450pp GT86 Grand Valley, 600pp Indy Road course

[Polsixe]

Well, that was a good TT both events. The first was a good tuning test for the Scion FR-S. the Indy 600 pp race car was very informative and a very good test. I do have a 2J but tried a variety of other cars. Also, in the 20,000 rank bracket fractions of a sec can move you up or down thousands of spots. So what I learned:

Mazda RX-7 TC tuned to 600 pp was the best and got me into the mid 1:32s - aero about 2/3 and LSD down to minimums. 182 mph end of straight. Stable and nice handling car.
Detuned Corvette C5R second best, just missed gold by .3 seconds
Motul Autech GT-R best of Japan Super GT, high 1:33s, tail happy.
Weider HSV first choice tuned up but a hair slower
Gillette Vertigo detuned only low 1:34s
BMW Fina McClaren detuned too slow and very tail happy
Toyota 7 detuned too slow, only 165 mph at end of straight.
GT-R TC detuned too slow around tight esses, felt heavy.

Indy course not the greatest, too flat and hard to pick up braking points. So there it is from the 17,000s level. Whoever or whatever picks the Gold times this is right at this skill level. Rest the thumbs time.

 

[Wavne]

Had time for a proper run in the GT86... really nice car/track combo 👍

2:07.880 (18th for the time being)

Settings if anyone wants to give them a go... I'm no setting expert, and this still has a bit too much understeer, but it might make a decent starting point...

Stg 3 weight reduction, carbon hood, window weight reduction, all power upgrades except engine, customisable suspension/transmission + all drivetrain parts... I haven't tried it with chassis strengthening.

Should make 264bhp & 1,139kg.

Ballast
47 50

Suspension
Ride 5 -10
Spring 9.5 3.5
Rebound 5 5
Bound 4 4
ARB 3 3
Camber 2.0 1.0
Toe -0.40 -0.05

Diff
7 25 10

Gears
Max Speed 112
Final 3.188
1st 3.791
2nd 2.848
3rd 2.296
4th 1.887
5th 1.592
6th 1.335

Also improved on the Sarthe drift trial to 55th (8.5k pts).

Really nice lap by Yinato, and I reckon he can knock a couple of tenths off that at least.

Thanks Scotty, I'm about to try this out but noticed there's no setting for brakes. I think brakes are counter productive and highly overrated......but would appreciate a suggestion if you have one....lol

 

[Ryk]

Would be nice if the TT results altered the PP value of cars - as it is obvious the twojay is a great car, but its added ultra downforce makes the PP score invalid.

Then for the next Time Trial the better cars have an "Performance penalty" just to give the TT's a bit of variation.

PD can always bang out a 1970 American Race car Time trial event where this PP handicap will even it self out. But currently the PP score for a heavily choked TwoJay is too low.

What brand are those Blue Clown shoes with the white laces by the way?

 

[Stotty]

would appreciate a suggestion if you have one....lol

I always think brakes are a matter of personal taste depending on how much you trail brake.

And I tend to have my balance set quite soft as I find it easier to feather the brakes when needed... on this one I'm using 3 2, very rarely I have either front or rear above 5.

 

[Wavne]

I always think brakes are a matter of personal taste depending on how much you trail brake.

And I tend to have my balance set quite soft as I find it easier to feather the brakes when needed... on this one I'm using 3 2, very rarely I have either front or rear above 5.

I was using 5 6 and didn't mind it. I'll try 3 2 and see how that is.

 

[numbnuts70]

Hi People.

Im using a Sixaxis with auto so I hope this helps out others that use this too.

Its a mixture of settings that were already on the car and some settings that were posted by others.

5 -3
13.7 14.8
6 4
7 4
5 4
1.8 1.3
-0.10 -0.64
diff 5/20/7
BB 5/9

Default gearing.

Ballast 200@29

Thanks to Pr1vate for the rear toe and,I think, yinato for springs. 👍

In more talented hands it should be good for a 1.21s.

P.S. I did use cargorats 90k,no service history 2J-thanks for the share buddy 👍

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Hi People.

Im using a Sixaxis with auto so I hope this helps out others that use this too.

Its a mixture of settings that were already on the car and some settings that were posted by others.

5 -3
13.7 14.8
6 4
7 4
5 4
1.8 1.3
-0.10 -0.64
diff 5/20/7
BB 5/9

Default gearing.

Ballast 200@29

Thanks to Pr1vate for the rear toe and,I think, yinato for springs. 👍

In more talented hands it should be good for a 1.21s.

P.S. I did use cargorats 90k,no service history 2J-thanks for the share buddy 👍

Your welcome my friend.

 

[randoloid]

Had time for a proper run in the GT86... really nice car/track combo 👍

2:07.880 (18th for the time being)

Settings if anyone wants to give them a go... I'm no setting expert, and this still has a bit too much understeer, but it might make a decent starting point...

Stg 3 weight reduction, carbon hood, window weight reduction, all power upgrades except engine, customisable suspension/transmission + all drivetrain parts... I haven't tried it with chassis strengthening.

Should make 264bhp & 1,139kg.

Ballast
47 50

Suspension
Ride 5 -10
Spring 9.5 3.5
Rebound 5 5
Bound 4 4
ARB 3 3
Camber 2.0 1.0
Toe -0.40 -0.05

Diff
7 25 10

Gears
Max Speed 112
Final 3.188
1st 3.791
2nd 2.848
3rd 2.296
4th 1.887
5th 1.592
6th 1.335

Also improved on the Sarthe drift trial to 55th (8.5k pts).

Really nice lap by Yinato, and I reckon he can knock a couple of tenths off that at least.

Great setup. Had a few min with it and really like it. Still have a ton of time to find cuz I'm sittin on 2:11 . Thanks for sharing

 

[Doodle]

Got some time into the TTs today. 2:07.653 in 13th place on Grand Valley and 1:22.360 in 27th place on Indy. I might just focus more on GV more because the car is just so much fun

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Got some time into the TTs today. 2:07.653 in 13th place on Grand Valley and 1:22.360 in 27th place on Indy. I might just focus more on GV more because the car is just so much fun

Yea, my thoughts exactly. Need a break from driving the 2J around trying to be competitive plus Indy is not one of my better tracks.

 

[jimipitbull]

Mazda RX-7 TC tuned to 600 pp was the best and got me into the mid 1:32s - aero about 2/3 and LSD down to minimums. 182 mph end of straight. Stable and nice handling car.
Detuned Corvette C5R second best, just missed gold by .3 seconds
Motul Autech GT-R best of Japan Super GT, high 1:33s, tail happy.
Weider HSV first choice tuned up but a hair slower
Gillette Vertigo detuned only low 1:34s
BMW Fina McClaren detuned too slow and very tail happy
Toyota 7 detuned too slow, only 165 mph at end of straight.
GT-R TC detuned too slow around tight esses, felt heavy.

I had a similar time with RX7 TC. These were a little quicker -

GT by Citroen Race Car
Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car

 

[Yinato]

Hi all,

A question comes to mind, everyone complains of having all the time use the same cars (Chaparral 2J), but when there is a new and exciting combo oriented simulation (Gran Valley / Toyota GT86), you choose Chapparal 2J, strange...

The conduct of 2J Indy is purely ARCADE and use the parking brake is required to be efficient, I think if some of you want to grow it's on Gran Valley need roll, c is more difficult, but the easy is not always the right solution, again, it is rare to have nice cars on a circuit friendly too!

I find it unfortunate that there is nobody on this combo, for my part, I loved it! For me it is a good deal of simulation, it is rare on GT5 so I enjoy it!

Come on friends, give this 2J - vacuum which is unnecessary and unrealistic and come on Gran Valley!

Good night all.


Regards,
Yinato.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Hi all,

A question comes to mind, everyone complains of having all the time use the same cars (Chaparral 2J), but when there is a new and exciting combo oriented simulation (Gran Valley / Toyota GT86), you choose Chapparal 2J, strange...

The conduct of 2J Indy is purely ARCADE and use the parking brake is required to be efficient, I think if some of you want to grow it's on Gran Valley need roll, c is more difficult, but the easy is not always the right solution, again, it is rare to have nice cars on a circuit friendly too!

I find it unfortunate that there is nobody on this combo, for my part, I loved it! For me it is a good deal of simulation, it is rare on GT5 so I enjoy it!

Come on friends, give this 2J - vacuum which is unnecessary and unrealistic and come on Gran Valley!

Good night all.


Regards,
Yinato.

How ironic you speak so lowly about the 2J but just a few hours earlier you were begging me to re-add you to my friends list so you could borrow my 2J because you were at a disadvantage with yours because it doesn't have dirty oil.
And in answer to your post, I haven't even touched the 2J for this TT. I have only been doing Grand Valley. I can't give you much competition, but maybe my friend Amo can.

 

[krasch27]

It significantly increases performance points, so you have to lower the power in order to match 450 points. And, frankly, downforce is not that important when driving at a fast track in relatively slow car.

I thought only the rear wing increased the pp. I dont think any other aerokit options affect pp. I know a 450pp car wont benefit from rear wing, but from my understanding, the lower aerokit should increase aerodynamic efficiency. I tried two 450pp 86's(one with aerokit & another without). I found the aerokitted 86 seemed more settled,it looked after its tyres better and around 0.5 sec faster than the 86 without kit.

 

[DTM]

Question, does anyone uses motorstages for GV?

 

[jedikeeper]

No prize for guessing which car dominates 600pp

oh now i understand why its called GT5 .... You only need to have 5 cars to do the job...

LOL you are right if you have the 2J is a pice of cake

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

How ironic you speak so lowly about the 2J but just a few hours earlier you were begging me to re-add you to my friends list so you could borrow my 2J because you were at a disadvantage with yours because it doesn't have dirty oil.
And in answer to your post, I haven't even touched the 2J for this TT. I have only been doing Grand Valley. I can't give you much competition, but maybe my friend Amo can.

how much lap time is this legendary 60k car worth I ve got a 6k mile and i ve tried a 20k car its worth 8 hp ie 508v 500 @921kg how much extra is the 60k car getting????????

 

[RHODRIEWILLIAMS]

Hi all,

A question comes to mind, everyone complains of having all the time use the same cars (Chaparral 2J), but when there is a new and exciting combo oriented simulation (Gran Valley / Toyota GT86), you choose Chapparal 2J, strange...

The conduct of 2J Indy is purely ARCADE and use the parking brake is required to be efficient, I think if some of you want to grow it's on Gran Valley need roll, c is more difficult, but the easy is not always the right solution, again, it is rare to have nice cars on a circuit friendly too!

I find it unfortunate that there is nobody on this combo, for my part, I loved it! For me it is a good deal of simulation, it is rare on GT5 so I enjoy it!

Come on friends, give this 2J - vacuum which is unnecessary and unrealistic and come on Gran Valley!

Good night all.


Regards,
Yinato.

Will you post your toyota set up please then i will head over to gran valley even though i love the indy road course

 

[Skuh]

A question/request for the fast guys like Stotty.

On the basis that I am faster with my tunes than the tunes that have been posted on here, would one of you be willing to try my tune out on the TT if I post it. I am by no means a pro tuner, this would be more for me to see if I am going wrong on my tunes.
I figure if one or more of the faster guys think my tune is slow then I am going about it all wrong, and instead I should maybe try and alter my driving style to suit the tunes on here.
Its the grand valley test.
Thanks.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

how much lap time is this legendary 60k car worth I ve got a 6k mile and i ve tried a 20k car its worth 8 hp ie 508v 500 @921kg how much extra is the 60k car getting????????

Its now a 90k plus car and its worth an extra 15 HP.

 

[te?]

Dirty oils = more hp? Seriously guys? Or just for the 2J?

 

[yanaran]

Did a 1:27.277 at Indy in the HSV-010, with CSL's JGTS2 tune. I saw an NSX in the list at mygranturismo with a 26.9 but that should be beatable, the car just wants to grip, grip and grip some more. I didn't cut the last corner like the top guys so there might be some tenths there too.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Dirty oils = more hp? Seriously guys? Or just for the 2J?

Its that way for all cars. The dirtier the oil, the more HP at a given PP range.

 

[NABeast]

A question/request for the fast guys like Stotty.

On the basis that I am faster with my tunes than the tunes that have been posted on here, would one of you be willing to try my tune out on the TT if I post it. I am by no means a pro tuner, this would be more for me to see if I am going wrong on my tunes.
I figure if one or more of the faster guys think my tune is slow then I am going about it all wrong, and instead I should maybe try and alter my driving style to suit the tunes on here.
Its the grand valley test.
Thanks.

This what I'm dealing with. Maybe someone could start a thread in the tuning forum and test other people's tunes?. I usually do my own tuning because I just can't seem to go any faster with the tunes that are posted. I try to adjust my style and/or tweak it but no luck. Maybe I just need to improve my skills.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Just got done with my nightly hour stint and improved to 2:09.714. This is at Grand Valley of course with the Toyota. Still some time left to be had but off to Forza for the night. Peace.

 

[Polsixe]

I had a similar time with RX7 TC. These were a little quicker -

GT by Citroen Race Car
Mitsubishi FTO Super Touring Car

The FTO is fast but that awd drivetrain needs some tweaking, lots of variables. Another good one is the Diablo, three lap solid gold.

 

[Stotty]

I have no problems trying other tunes out... as I said, I'm no tuning expert!

To be honest, with most cars where ballast/ballast positioning don't have a big affect on the handling, once you find something that feels decent I think you'll get faster primarily by running more laps rather than fiddling with the tune.

 

[te?]

Its that way for all cars. The dirtier the oil, the more HP at a given PP range.

But how come when you buy a used car in UCD it has the dirty oil right? But after you change its oil it gets more hp? Im quite lost....

 

[numbnuts70]

But how come when you buy a used car in UCD it has the dirty oil right? But after you change its oil it gets more hp? Im quite lost....

When you change the oil the hp will rise but the pp value will rise more.

Therefore,before an oil change you will have more hp for a given pp limit.

Before change-400 hp/500pp

After change- 425hp/535pp.

Hope this helps 👍

 

[waynz]

But how come when you buy a used car in UCD it has the dirty oil right? But after you change its oil it gets more hp? Im quite lost....

Might be a compensation thing. You have slightly less HP which you then can run less weight, same PP but better?

A better example is the 450 PP TT. I ran a fully modified BRZ but had to add ballast and lower the power to get to the 450 PP. It performed well but when the fast guys woke up I dropped 400 places overnight. I grabbed a stock FRS and added almost everything excluding Engine Tune a racing pod filter and a rear wing.
That alternative approach wiped a second of my time on the 2nd lap.
There's more to PP than meets the eye .. Experimenting with different weight and power could pay dividends.