Tuner Challenge Championship ~ April McLaren MP4
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I've been trying to come up with a solution for the transmission and was thinking of maybe making a standard top speed.
Meaning, every car needs to be able to reach 180mph. (Just a random number)
How you get there, how many gears used, or any other variables, don't matter.
Then, regardless of track, they'd all be equal as far as top speed.
So, if 1 car is redline-ing on Track X, then they'll all be redline-ing on Track X.
I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I've yet to come up with something better yet, nor have I seen a better suggestion. To be honest, I don't even like the idea, of having to adjust every single gear, for every single tune. It's gunna be a PITA
Edit: and yes, upon the final decision, all tuners will have a chance to re-adjust the transmission, even if previously submitted.
Meaning, every car needs to be able to reach 180mph. (Just a random number)
How you get there, how many gears used, or any other variables, don't matter.
Then, regardless of track, they'd all be equal as far as top speed.
So, if 1 car is redline-ing on Track X, then they'll all be redline-ing on Track X.
I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I've yet to come up with something better yet, nor have I seen a better suggestion. To be honest, I don't even like the idea, of having to adjust every single gear, for every single tune. It's gunna be a PITA
Edit: and yes, upon the final decision, all tuners will have a chance to re-adjust the transmission, even if previously submitted.
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- budious
I've been trying to come up with a solution for the transmission and was thinking of maybe making a standard top speed.
Meaning, every car needs to be able to reach 180mph. (Just a random number)
How you get there, how many gears used, or any other variables, don't matter.
Then, regardless of track, they'd all be equal as far as top speed.
So, if 1 car is redline-ing on Track X, then they'll all be redline-ing on Track X.
I'm not sure how I feel about it, but I've yet to come up with something better yet, nor have I seen a better suggestion. To be honest, I don't even like the idea, of having to adjust every single gear, for every single tune. It's gunna be a PITA
Maybe you should tune the standardized transmission to be distributed to the testers if you wanted to neutralize that part of the competition, else I probably will spec a 2-speed tranny just to nudge blueshift nearer to complete insanity over the matter.
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Rotary Junkie
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That post just broke my mind, budious.
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To all Tuners:
When submitting tunes, please take care to explain any special needs for your custom transmission settings. If it requires top speed set, then final, the reverse, etc and so forth.
Make sure to include, Top speed Auto Set, Final Gear, and each specific gear.
To all drivers... do any of you need/use the kph for transmission? Or can I simplify it to mph to reduce clutter? This months tune spreadsheets will be reversed layout, row vs column than last months. I feel it's easier to read top to bottom, rather than left to right, when looking back and forth between Comp & PS3.
When submitting tunes, please take care to explain any special needs for your custom transmission settings. If it requires top speed set, then final, the reverse, etc and so forth.
Make sure to include, Top speed Auto Set, Final Gear, and each specific gear.
To all drivers... do any of you need/use the kph for transmission? Or can I simplify it to mph to reduce clutter? This months tune spreadsheets will be reversed layout, row vs column than last months. I feel it's easier to read top to bottom, rather than left to right, when looking back and forth between Comp & PS3.
Rotary Junkie
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I just realized... I really need to get on this. It's the 8th and I STILL don't have a Z in my garage.
Or maybe I'll just yell at NTwo to send me his. Iunno.
Or maybe I'll just yell at NTwo to send me his. Iunno.
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- docholiday720
MPH is fine with me. What about track choice? Has any decision been made?
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Due to a lack of arguments, I see no reason not to proceed with 'any track you desire' for drivers.
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- docholiday720
Sweet. What I wanted to hear.
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- budious
I just realized... I really need to get on this. It's the 8th and I STILL don't have a Z in my garage.
Or maybe I'll just yell at NTwo to send me his. Iunno.
You're almost as bad as me then... I bought it like a week ago and so far only ran about three laps on stock settings to benchmark stock performance. Didn't touch it since... guess I'll get to work on it later today.
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I have so much not the time to do it (irl is harsh, harsh like "loosing my job" atm) that I'm thinking about something very shocking : default setup with a random km/h gearbox.
If I beat you with that, or at least most of you guys, that'll prove my point enough to step out of this competition.
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I'm using km/h as well!
With the tracks I still think we can agree on 2 or 3 tracks? I'm very open to most tracks and I guess I'm not the only one? All drivers should choose track just after the 14th and then on the 15th we see what tracks are the favourites... (e.g. 4 choose deep forest, 3 autumn ring and 2 trail mountain) I would in this case just choose autumn ring or trail mountain, that we have at least 3 drivers on every chosen track... any toughts?
With the tracks I still think we can agree on 2 or 3 tracks? I'm very open to most tracks and I guess I'm not the only one? All drivers should choose track just after the 14th and then on the 15th we see what tracks are the favourites... (e.g. 4 choose deep forest, 3 autumn ring and 2 trail mountain) I would in this case just choose autumn ring or trail mountain, that we have at least 3 drivers on every chosen track... any toughts?
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If you put gear ratio and final ratio we dont need any Top speed setting I think. Gear ratio alone should do the trick and put us at the speed we want.
As for the racetrack, I'll probably drive it on Suzuka or Fuji since it's SuperGT official tracks and that I know them quite good, plus I know what time I can achieve on there with stock settings. I would also be curious to see if your settings brings me closer to real life record for those track with superGT cars.
As for the racetrack, I'll probably drive it on Suzuka or Fuji since it's SuperGT official tracks and that I know them quite good, plus I know what time I can achieve on there with stock settings. I would also be curious to see if your settings brings me closer to real life record for those track with superGT cars.
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Ugh... NOW you guys all want to speak up?
1: RX-7_FD3S: The 'Top Speed' is what defines the range of ratio's per gear. So it's required for some specific gears. For example, if a tuner wants the 1st gear to be something really really high, like 3.000, you'd have to put the top speed in the 220 range., because 3.000 is un-obtainable at any top speed lower than that. Does that make sense?
2: I'd like to point out, that the only people concerned about the multi-track system... are drivers. Not tuners. This was an idea presented by a tuner, and from previous tuning competitions from GT5P. I'd also like to ask drivers a question.
Why do you think the results will change based on the track(s) used?
If we went back to last months challenge, and races them all on a different track, do you think Rotary Junkie wouldn't have won? If he didn't win, because another tune was found out to be more consistently fast across a multitude of tracks... doesn't that justify the need to use multiple tracks?
3: I'll continue to use MPH&KMH in the spreadsheets
4: GT5SER:
In short, for the drivers, nothing changes. Pick your track, submit your 3 fastest laps for each tune. The only thing that will change, is how I have to track the results.
The 'laps' will no longer be required, but it will be a 'time' min/max.
15 Laps last week resulted in an average of 22-26 minutes.
Assuming everyone thought that was a good base, I'd say the maximum time allowed should be 25 minutes. Minimum of 20.
If you're running 2 minute laps (Suzuka?) then you should do a minimum of 10 laps per tune, maximum of 12.
If you're doing 1 minute laps (Deep Forest?) then you should do 20 laps
If you're doing Nurburgring... I'd have to ask for 4 laps, so that you're at least throwing 1 bad lap away for the averages. Even if this means going over the 25 minute mark, due to the tracks length and nature.
Also keep in mind, you guys will no longer have to worry about oil changes, and break in time. This was another reason behind choosing online lobbies, as the 'free run' sessions don't accumulate actual mileage. So there won't be any issue of hp differences across tunes, thus also not requiring the drivers to break in the cars prior to the competition.
5: budious: I agree, Daytona and SS7 should be exempt, but High Speed Ring's straight away, is short enough that I don't think it should be an issue. This is why I wanted to require all tuners to a specific Max Speed of 200mph. How they get their is up to them, but each tune should be able to hit 200. La sarthe should be fine, but I think chicanes should be required. I'm trying to think of any other tracks that could cause problems.
6: Tracks are still open for discussion, please discuss #2 I've mentioned above, and lets go from there. 'Too concrete' almost works against us as it promotes redundancy. Last month, the fastest submitted lap times, already showed the results. They fluctuated mildly once or twice for the odd inconsistency, but after that, everything consistently adjusted back to the fastest driver's results.
7: Basilea: If you guys, as drivers, want to get together and decide on a specific track, that the 4 of you all run together, by all means that's perfectly fine. Then we have both sides showing through. I plan on running either Suzuka, Deep Forest, or possibly Trial Mountain again, simply because I don't think anyone else will, lol.
1: RX-7_FD3S: The 'Top Speed' is what defines the range of ratio's per gear. So it's required for some specific gears. For example, if a tuner wants the 1st gear to be something really really high, like 3.000, you'd have to put the top speed in the 220 range., because 3.000 is un-obtainable at any top speed lower than that. Does that make sense?
2: I'd like to point out, that the only people concerned about the multi-track system... are drivers. Not tuners. This was an idea presented by a tuner, and from previous tuning competitions from GT5P. I'd also like to ask drivers a question.
Why do you think the results will change based on the track(s) used?
If we went back to last months challenge, and races them all on a different track, do you think Rotary Junkie wouldn't have won? If he didn't win, because another tune was found out to be more consistently fast across a multitude of tracks... doesn't that justify the need to use multiple tracks?
3: I'll continue to use MPH&KMH in the spreadsheets
4: GT5SER:
In short, for the drivers, nothing changes. Pick your track, submit your 3 fastest laps for each tune. The only thing that will change, is how I have to track the results.
The 'laps' will no longer be required, but it will be a 'time' min/max.
15 Laps last week resulted in an average of 22-26 minutes.
Assuming everyone thought that was a good base, I'd say the maximum time allowed should be 25 minutes. Minimum of 20.
If you're running 2 minute laps (Suzuka?) then you should do a minimum of 10 laps per tune, maximum of 12.
If you're doing 1 minute laps (Deep Forest?) then you should do 20 laps
If you're doing Nurburgring... I'd have to ask for 4 laps, so that you're at least throwing 1 bad lap away for the averages. Even if this means going over the 25 minute mark, due to the tracks length and nature.
Also keep in mind, you guys will no longer have to worry about oil changes, and break in time. This was another reason behind choosing online lobbies, as the 'free run' sessions don't accumulate actual mileage. So there won't be any issue of hp differences across tunes, thus also not requiring the drivers to break in the cars prior to the competition.
5: budious: I agree, Daytona and SS7 should be exempt, but High Speed Ring's straight away, is short enough that I don't think it should be an issue. This is why I wanted to require all tuners to a specific Max Speed of 200mph. How they get their is up to them, but each tune should be able to hit 200. La sarthe should be fine, but I think chicanes should be required. I'm trying to think of any other tracks that could cause problems.
6: Tracks are still open for discussion, please discuss #2 I've mentioned above, and lets go from there. 'Too concrete' almost works against us as it promotes redundancy. Last month, the fastest submitted lap times, already showed the results. They fluctuated mildly once or twice for the odd inconsistency, but after that, everything consistently adjusted back to the fastest driver's results.
7: Basilea: If you guys, as drivers, want to get together and decide on a specific track, that the 4 of you all run together, by all means that's perfectly fine. Then we have both sides showing through. I plan on running either Suzuka, Deep Forest, or possibly Trial Mountain again, simply because I don't think anyone else will, lol.
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Clarrify on the trans settings please? Are we using default settings for all ratios and setting top speed at 199 or are the tuners setting each individual gear and final drive? Plus, 199 in the top speed setting window or what is actually achievable as a top speed on the track as the two are usually different.
Thanks.
I would rather just see default settings and top speed in the setting box at 199 to keep it simple for the drivers. Let's test the suspension settings, not who spends the most time fine tuning the gears. I think most people in the game spend more time with suspension than with gears.
Thanks.
I would rather just see default settings and top speed in the setting box at 199 to keep it simple for the drivers. Let's test the suspension settings, not who spends the most time fine tuning the gears. I think most people in the game spend more time with suspension than with gears.
In the real world as I see it. A tuners ability to tune a car right is by having it run a track that has set lap times in it already. To name a few, tounge battle, Top Gear & for production car, The Green Hell. How is it possible to compare lap times from The Green Hell to Monza? That's all I'm saying and I know you are the one that has to do that part, but I just want to make sure it's fair to all. I really don't care about where I stand in the drivers ranking. I'm in it for the driving and to do my part in helping GTPlanet and the tuners here. This site I have to say, IS HANDS DOWN, THE BEST SITE FOR GRAN TURISMO!
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