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I've got them, was giving it a little bit of time, just in case of late entries like last month, before I send them and post them. Not many tunes this month.
Tuner Challenge Championship ~ April McLaren MP4
- Thread starter Adrenaline
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- budious
Well... that sort of luck of the draw the whole scenarios for the person that used Suzuka as their main test track if everyone uses the same track after the fact that we're told it was to be random. If you want random, then do random, if you want selective, then do selective, but make up your damn minds before the tune deadline!
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I am just giving input! And I did so before the deadline but noone responded! It doesn't have to be Suzuka, it can be a random track that everyone drives and another one everyone chooses, as there are not many tunes and we might have enough time to test every tune a bit deeper than last month.
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If there is too much choice in random then have Adrenaline assign different tracks; Suzuka Circuit, Deep Forest Raceway, Autumn Ring (full), Grand Valley Speedway, Tokyo R246, Special Stage 5, Trial Mountain, Fuji Speedway, Cote D Azur... among others, there are more tracks that I approve of than object to in any case. So long as you don't spend too much time in full open throttle I don't see a problem with most tracks except the obvious tracks with no other purpose than to host NASCAR or drag events.
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I tested my tune on eight different tracks to get an all around tune. Feel free to pick any you'd like sans the Adrenaline list of excluded tracks (Nurburgh Norchleife, Daytona oval, Indy oval and Stage 7).
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March Tunes - Xanavi Nismo Z '06:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...UhUWXQxMEQwM3BuTUFtc0E&hl=en&authkey=CJHMzuQL
Email going out to the drivers shortly.
Confirmed Entries from the following tuners (if you've been missed for some reason, please contact me via PM)
Rotary Junkie
Ntwo
budious
NM Racing
Niigma
Motor City Hami
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc...UhUWXQxMEQwM3BuTUFtc0E&hl=en&authkey=CJHMzuQL
Email going out to the drivers shortly.
Confirmed Entries from the following tuners (if you've been missed for some reason, please contact me via PM)
Rotary Junkie
Ntwo
budious
NM Racing
Niigma
Motor City Hami
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Nice. Only 6 tuners, but a nice range of differences. Rear downforce. LSD, some very low and others mid and one high initial. For spring rate, looks like one or two went higher than stock and the rest all went softer. A wide range of damper thoeries too. And noone has even close to the same toe settings. Wide range of sway bar settings and camber settings too. Also notice on camber that all of us used more negative camber on the front than the rear.
I do think it is interesting or telling on a few things from the tuners. Noone slammed the car all the way to the ground. And, noone used the supposed trick of high front ride height and low rear to trick the downforce in the game. Can we just lay that myth to rest now?
As for the transmission settings, our top speeds are all similar and the individual gear settings aren't that far away from each other, except for one tune. What this tells me is one of two things. One possibility is that five of us don't know crap about gear setting and one is brilliant. Or, the other possibility, one of us tried some voodoo gambling in hopes to pop his tune to the top on transmission alone. I don't believe that there are a ton of gains in setting the individual gears - just minor and it is track specific. We'll see if I am proven wrong.
Adrenaline - I think this competition is doing exactly what you set out to do. You are getting different tunes born from different thoeries across the range. People can try these out and will like the one(s) that fit their driving style.
Nice work tuners. I can't wait to try each of your tunes as well.
I do think it is interesting or telling on a few things from the tuners. Noone slammed the car all the way to the ground. And, noone used the supposed trick of high front ride height and low rear to trick the downforce in the game. Can we just lay that myth to rest now?
As for the transmission settings, our top speeds are all similar and the individual gear settings aren't that far away from each other, except for one tune. What this tells me is one of two things. One possibility is that five of us don't know crap about gear setting and one is brilliant. Or, the other possibility, one of us tried some voodoo gambling in hopes to pop his tune to the top on transmission alone. I don't believe that there are a ton of gains in setting the individual gears - just minor and it is track specific. We'll see if I am proven wrong.
Adrenaline - I think this competition is doing exactly what you set out to do. You are getting different tunes born from different thoeries across the range. People can try these out and will like the one(s) that fit their driving style.
Nice work tuners. I can't wait to try each of your tunes as well.
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- budious
Damn... I knew there was one cheat I forgot to implement.
Adrenaline, are we still on for doing the Raybrig NSX for second half of the month or has that been scratched?
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without sounding stupid (haven't really been reading the thread recently) am I okay to use the Nordschleife to run my laps?
"Test drivers: All laps must be run in an online lobby. You may run at ANY track you desire with the only exceptions being the following:
Daytona Speedway Oval
Indy Speedway Oval
Special Stage Route 7
La Sarthe (No Chicane)
To be clear: You CAN run La sarthe, but you must use the chicane version.
You CAN run Indy and Daytona ROAD COURSES, just not the ovals.
Umm... No glitching at SS7?
"
Hope so!!
Damo
"Test drivers: All laps must be run in an online lobby. You may run at ANY track you desire with the only exceptions being the following:
Daytona Speedway Oval
Indy Speedway Oval
Special Stage Route 7
La Sarthe (No Chicane)
To be clear: You CAN run La sarthe, but you must use the chicane version.
You CAN run Indy and Daytona ROAD COURSES, just not the ovals.
Umm... No glitching at SS7?
"Hope so!!
Damo
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My opinion is to each his own, if a driver is competent on the Nordschleife than he/she should by all means be allowed to test there. I would discourage new or lesser skilled drivers from driving there for purposes of this competition, and that all drivers should drive the stock tune ahead of time to be familiar with the abilities of the car on the track they are considering as their testing grounds. Also this gives you time to break-in the car, or at least have Bob do it ahead of time.
Adrenaline's opinion may differ, so as event host, I defer to him.
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without sounding stupid (haven't really been reading the thread recently) am I okay to use the Nordschleife to run my laps?
"Test drivers: All laps must be run in an online lobby. You may run at ANY track you desire with the only exceptions being the following:
Daytona Speedway Oval
Indy Speedway Oval
Special Stage Route 7
La Sarthe (No Chicane)
To be clear: You CAN run La sarthe, but you must use the chicane version.
You CAN run Indy and Daytona ROAD COURSES, just not the ovals.
Umm... No glitching at SS7?
Hope so!!
Damo
It seems you can but he did ask tho that you dont spend more than 30 mn on tunes, which means counting 6m30 for a lap, 4 laps including your starting lap which means that the 3 times you will submit will be the 3 lap time you did. I dont see how that can be a performance benchmark personaly. If you want to have another lap you'll be out of the 30mn deadline so yeah.
I guess if you're a Nurb pro that can do clean lap each time it's ok otherwise I wouldnt use it.
I saw in the mail tho that Adrenaline didnt ask for skid recovery off, I think it should be. Please dont use it, it spoils the car handling. Unless the tuners tuned there car with it on.
not sure if I am a Nurb pro but tend to spend most of my time on there, the only issue I had thought of was running enough laps in the allotted time. I would be equally happy to run Suzuka/Fuji or Monza (probably Monza or Suzuka) but I love the challenge for both car and driver that Nurb holds.
I guess from a personal point of view the tune best suited to me and the Nurb is going to be the one that I will be using once the event is over!
All aids will be off except ABS 1 and Controller Sensitivity 1/2
Damo
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Certain rules that will remain constant throughout this competition won't be repeated every email as I write them off the top of my head. But to be clear, all aids are restricted, other than ABS @1, and driving line may be used.
Nurburgring:
I should have included this in the email I suppose, but in my defense, I did address it previously.
@budious - Another upside of online lobbies, is that break ins are no longer an issue. Laps run in 'free run' don't accumulate miles. Every tune will be tested at the exact same HP, regardless of laps, oil changes, chassis wear etc etc.
And yes, I'd still like to see tuners continue on with the NSX as planned.
*Everything below this, falls under the disclaimer*
Some may be disappointed with the turn out, but in all honesty, I don't see the need for more than 8 tuners. It's harsh, but true, not all tunes are created equal and I'd rather not spend 20-30 minutes driving a weaker tune, just to cure someone's curiosity. I mean no disrespect to any tuner or garage, past, present or future. As a driver, I appreciate your time, work and effort to provide tunes.
This does not negate the level of playing fields that separates certain tuners from others. There's a difference between 'I make tunes that are better than stock' and 'I make some of the fastest tunes around for every car I touch'.
Both tuners are needed in a community like this, especially with the car selection GT5 provides. But they aren't both needed in a competition like this. Having said that, I don't want to discourage any tuner from entering what they feel is quality work. If a car comes up that you love, or really think you can be the best, then by all means, please enter for that month. But I don't want people submitting each month 'just because'.
My ideal outcome would be to see February's top 4 every month with about 4 other garages I'd like to see become regulars and the smaller garages 'chiming in' from time to time to cause an 'upset' at the top of the rankings.
*Disclaimer*
All of the above are the sole opinions of myself as a driver, not as the co-ordinate of this event. The tuning challenge championship is not liable, not can it be held accountable, for any actions or views expressed herein.
Nurburgring:
I should have included this in the email I suppose, but in my defense, I did address it previously.
This post says 25min, I used 30 in the email. If drivers want to spend more time then I recommend, I won't stop them. If you want to run every tunes for 20 laps around Nurb, that's your problem!
@budious - Another upside of online lobbies, is that break ins are no longer an issue. Laps run in 'free run' don't accumulate miles. Every tune will be tested at the exact same HP, regardless of laps, oil changes, chassis wear etc etc.
And yes, I'd still like to see tuners continue on with the NSX as planned.
*Everything below this, falls under the disclaimer*
Some may be disappointed with the turn out, but in all honesty, I don't see the need for more than 8 tuners. It's harsh, but true, not all tunes are created equal and I'd rather not spend 20-30 minutes driving a weaker tune, just to cure someone's curiosity. I mean no disrespect to any tuner or garage, past, present or future. As a driver, I appreciate your time, work and effort to provide tunes.
This does not negate the level of playing fields that separates certain tuners from others. There's a difference between 'I make tunes that are better than stock' and 'I make some of the fastest tunes around for every car I touch'.
Both tuners are needed in a community like this, especially with the car selection GT5 provides. But they aren't both needed in a competition like this. Having said that, I don't want to discourage any tuner from entering what they feel is quality work. If a car comes up that you love, or really think you can be the best, then by all means, please enter for that month. But I don't want people submitting each month 'just because'.
My ideal outcome would be to see February's top 4 every month with about 4 other garages I'd like to see become regulars and the smaller garages 'chiming in' from time to time to cause an 'upset' at the top of the rankings.
*Disclaimer*
All of the above are the sole opinions of myself as a driver, not as the co-ordinate of this event. The tuning challenge championship is not liable, not can it be held accountable, for any actions or views expressed herein.
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- budious
I agree to the extent that we should have a healthy field size but not overstocked for the main competition. The garages that put up consistent leader points would remain eligible, and the garages that repeatedly earn low marks could compete with a second lower tier of new garages wanting to earn a spot in the top tier. It would require some reworking of the point system...
Top Tier
1st 10pts
2nd 7pts
3rd 5pts
4th 4pts
5th 3pts
6th 2pts
7th 1pts
8th 0pts
9th 0pts
10th 0pts
Second Tier
1st 2pts
2nd 1pts
3rd 1pts
4th 0pts
5th 0pts
...
xth 0pts
Idea being that top tier and second tier would directly compete in the points category but consistently poor performing garages could be bumped down a tier for a new garage that is performing better to move up. Tier two could have more applicants but tunes would be less stringently tested by drivers, reduced laps and commitment time to each.
The problem here though is people expect the car to be tuned for maximum performance at its full break-in HP, by testing at the factory HP you may not uncover flaws in a less than adequately tuned LSD when an additional 40HP is thrown at it. I took the time to tune my LSD at 534HP so I kind of expect drivers to have the decency to test my LSD and all others at that rating.
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I vote no on Nurburgring Nordchleife. If you want a tune to run Nurburg, after this competition is over, I will show you the adjustments that I would make to my tune to make it faster at Nurburg. Also, I don't see how anyone can run 157 corners and be consistent, lap after lap to half a second. Last months tuner challenge had lap times much closer than half a second.
you're right it is unlikely that many people will not be consistent to half a second, but Trial Mountain is a lot shorter than the ring.......
Damo
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Right... The time difference for obvious reasons will be larger.
The car which is easiest to drive quickly will still come out on top.
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True. So if the driver makes a mistake and drives through the grass into the gravel trap with one tune, we can expect that he will make a similar blunder with almost any tune as he is learning it.
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Rotary Junkie
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Pretty much. I'd think the first lap would be sufficient to figure the car out and the second through fourth would be relatively consistent unless the car is extremely wild, in which case it's guess what? That's right, inconsistent and therefore slow.
Not sure if I agree, the best tune will surely still be the one which is easiest to be most consistent with whether it is on the Nurb or the High Speed Ring?
Damo
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I'm really not trying to make a big deal out of this. If Damo wants to use this track and is good at the track, use it. I'm not going to worry about one driver out of 10 using an extreme track. Just saying that after this competition is over, I will post a Nurburgring tune for you to use because I can easily make my tune faster for that specific track.
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I can't without quite some degree of "okay... That did nothing" or "okay... That hurt, bad.".
