Tuner Challenge Championship ~ April McLaren MP4
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Rotary Junkie
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If a car is tuned good I don't have a problem running laps within 2-4" of each other on the Nordschleife; again, I reiterate that only competent drivers who know the course beforehand should use it for this competition but I see no reason to blacklist it; and if you are going to pick it then I see no reason why testing beyond 30 minutes per tune is not driver optional so long as all tunes are tested equally. I'd say submit the best of three of five valid lap time attempts; so if you attempted five and only have two valid times, then run a sixth or seventh lap until you get a valid time then submit. Then again, if you were competent on the track to begin with and the tune was anywhere near reliable this should probably only take you four or five attempts to begin with.
I would love to use the ring. I've golded all the AMG special events, if that means anything, but I still don't feel qualified to use it. One or two errors on that long track could ruin my results and cost lots of time. I don't want run these tunes forever and I don't want to do a tuner a diservice by reporting half-assed results.
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- jman0000
Woo-Hoo, I can't wait to see the Raybrig NSX tunes!
PS: IMO, Tsukuba and Suzuka are the best tracks for tune testing, with Tsukuba being a great, short-but-highly-technical track to get right.
Good Luck Tuners!
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- PumpinNumbies
Tune B's top speed wasn't included, despite the request I specifically made before and after receiving the email. Oddly enough, it was a different tuner, who thought they had forgotten to do so, and e-mailed me back to make sure they didn't lol. So, like RJ said, it shouldn't be too radical.
Riggins, I've sent another email.
Riggins, I've sent another email.
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- budious
I think results on the Nordschleife are predictable because even if I have a small mishap through the first sector, a solid performance through the remaining four sectors will average out close to the expected range. It's only when you have more than one or two mishaps that you get lap times below expectation, or when you run a perfect lap through all sectors that you come out a few seconds ahead of expectation. I look at each lap on the ring as the equivalent of a five lap average run from a single lap at five separate 2.5 mile courses. When I look at my performance on shorter courses the variance in my lap time is a higher percentage in difference than my average variance in Nordschleife lap times.
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All tunes given some laps at Suzuka and well this is going to be interesting! Might have to change the track as I have never been good at Suzuka and still not am 
on the other side I really need to get familiar with it! Hope to get done my first proper testing of all tunes tomorrow.
I don't know what to think about tune D with its very different transmission setting, not much shifting gears with a topspeed of something around 700 km/h...
on the other side I really need to get familiar with it! Hope to get done my first proper testing of all tunes tomorrow.I don't know what to think about tune D with its very different transmission setting, not much shifting gears with a topspeed of something around 700 km/h...
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Nurb is the ultimate test for a car. Any tuning competition not using Nurb is one that is flawed.
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- MotorCtyHamilton
That is your opinion. I am all for doing a Nurburgring tuning competition. I believe that Nurburgring needs it's own tune. So I would agree that a competition for a specific track like Nurburgring would be a good test to see if the tuning garages can tune for that track, but I would disagree that a Nurburg tune would be the measuring stick for all other tracks in the game.
I would say the Nurburgring is the ultimate test for the driver, more than the car.
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- budious
What exactly is a Nurburgring specific tune that your current tune lacks? Mine runs on Nurburgring just fine but I didn't tune it specifically for it, isn't that the point of a general purpose tune anyways?
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- MotorCtyHamilton
Mine also runs on Nurburgring just fine. You'll be able to run laps well. Just saying that you CAN make a car faster on the ring with some tweaks from what you'd do with a car made specifically for flatter, smoother surfaces.
And I don't really appreciate your tone on this. Maybe I read it wrong, but it feels like you're taking a shot at me by saying that my tunes are lakcing. I'm kind of surprised that a guy with your tuning credibility doesn't make some suspension tweaks for a track like the Ring.
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Likewise, a guy that knew this round was going to be random this time around shouldn't be complaining about his tune being unoptimized for one specific track as you are beginning to sound a lot like a whiner. Tone of your complaint aside, I just want to know the technical aspects you think put your car at a disadvantage at the moment.
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- MotorCtyHamilton
Whatever. Go back and re-read my comments about Nurburgring. I think that you'll find that I was questioning whether drivers would be able to run consistent times, not that I would have a problem tuning there.
After this competition is complete, I will post my Nurburgring tune for people to try. I take the standard tune that I developed and raise the top speed, raise the ride height and soften the springs and dampers. That simple. The car will be faster on Nurburgring with these adjustment and the front/rear balance remains the same. I think you'll agree that doing these four adjustments to the standard tune will make the car slower on 90% of the tracks in the game. So, I was just trying to point out that the only track that needs a really different tune to optimize to that track is Nurburgring.
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- budious
You give two directly contradictory statements in a single post, amazing. And you wonder why I have problems interpreting your intent. I do not agree with any of the second part, so don't assume that I would. I fail to see how any particular aspect of a tune is going to net considerable gains on Nurburgring, no two corners are the same, and all the sectors have a high degree of variation. Lengthy straights separated by negative camber, no camber, and positive camber corners; varying turn radiuses, tight, wide, a carousel... and why do you need to adjust top speed for the final straight, you can adjust 6th gear independent of the other five? Read back to my comments supporting Nurburgring and note I said results were consistent because it was an average reading of all these differences.
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Yes. And my next post was me agreeing with you on this point. And I fail to see where I contradicted myself.
As for special tunes on Nurburgring, we will have to agree to disagree. I believe that there are significant gains to be had by tweaking the tune for the Ring and you don't. That's fine that we don't see eye to eye on that.
I believe that the top speeds set in the tunes in this competition should bounce off the rev limiter in more places than just the last straight, if you're driving hard enough. So a 25 mph bump can help. Nurburg is also the most bumpy track in the game, so reguardless of the number of different corners on the track, a softer suspension will soak up more of those changes. It is not necessary to go softer on 90% of the other tracks in the game. Harder usually produces more responsiveness and corner speed and no bumps to worry about.
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Honestly, with this car, you should neverevereverever have to kiss the limiter, otherwise you're sacrificing acceleration and ultimately top speed as well. Seems someone may have taken it a bit far and run maddeningly long gearing but based on the power curve of this car it may work out well... Close ratios may well waste power, particularly for those using automatic (looking at you, Adrenaline).
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I agree to agree to stop arguing over it; I just reiterate the fact that we knew it was driver's pick of the track, and that we should all setup general purpose tunes to our own advantage or disadvantage going into the round. I assumed some risk that people will want to run my car on Suzuka where it will probably not be as optimized as some other tunes may be for that track, but mine will probably do better on Deep Forest or Nurburgring, etc. I agree with driver competency on a given track as a requisite if they choose to test on it. Likewise, I can re-tune my car for Suzuka after the fact if anyone requests it after the trial run. I think for this sort of random test, it would be best for all drivers to claim a test track so that we get a diverse set of results to judge from. Four out of ten testing on the same track skews the results, I'd like to eliminate any favoritism to any tune by requiring claims for the next random round unless we get a larger pool of driver volunteers to step forth.
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- Johnnypenso
I don't agree with that completely but there's more to tune competition than just running on the "ultimate track". The laps are much longer, requiring much more time on the tuner's part and the test drivers part. It's too easy to make a couple of blunders here and there and have wildly different lap times on a track this large. And let's be honest, the Nurb is a crap racing track because it's too tight, cars are jumping all over the place and a less than perfect pass anywhere but on the straight leads to disaster for one or both drivers. I avoid most rooms where the race is on the Ring because most of the time it's just a parade with no real racing.
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- budious
I always thought it more as a time trial track, and proving grounds; I agree that I am not fond of it for online racing for the reasons you have suggested. However, since this a tuning trial, you are only on the track by yourself for time trial purposes, so I don't think this applies here.
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Shoot me an email as advised in the OP, I'll add you to the mailing list, and I can shoot you March's details tonight, and you can try to get your times in before the 28th.
gtplanet.tgb@gmail.com
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When are the NSX tunes due? Monday, March 28th?
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Well I run test for some days now and I come to the conclusion that it has a lot to do with my daily constitution and how long I already have played. I test on Tsukuba which is a short track where I can run more tests and therefore this track. Also are the differences very small and one day tune B is faster than tune C or what ever tune.
I still don't like the online lobby as I have to kick people all the time! They just cannot read practise free run or tuning test free run (set to only 2 people). And to notice times I can't pause the game on a straight because the car drives on and the lap is ruined.
I still don't like the online lobby as I have to kick people all the time! They just cannot read practise free run or tuning test free run (set to only 2 people). And to notice times I can't pause the game on a straight because the car drives on and the lap is ruined.
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Do it in your lounge. (Community -> lounge). That way only people on your friends list can enter and you can tell them to GTFO without hurting feelings. 
