Tuning system is completely broken in GT7

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GreatGrump
Yes exactly! And every other gear ratio change only effects the PP by a maximum of 1 in either direction. It's nothing to do with changing the actual performance of your car, and everything to do with a game bug.
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Yeah there is essentially no effect at all. Same acceleration, same gear changes coming out of corners, but instead of topping at 154 it tops out at 155 SOMETIMES, not all the time, meaning the 154 is actually 154.x. You need 175mph top speed to keep up with the rest of the cars during the oval straights, so it does not affect performance at all, but it greatly increases PP
 
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can you go to the lower PP, then add power or take weight out while not moving the PP back up the the previous level? thats where your biggest gain/loss in reality will be, or move to another level stickier tire
 
RacingManiac
can you go to the lower PP, then add power or take weight out while not moving the PP back up the the previous level? thats where your biggest gain/loss in reality will be, or move to another level stickier tire
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Yeah you can still work around it, but due to these PP threshold levels within each variable of the PP calculation it's possible to have multiple 730PP builds that perform wildly different and no where near parity. Daytona seems to showcase it the best as it's a course where you need both acceleration on the infield but also need a pretty high top speed for the oval sections. Meaning most people are going to be playing around with the transmission and finding that you can either have a proper transmission setup, or you can have horsepower/torque/downforce, but not both. I'm sure some of the really good tuners have found a balance, but I've not looked into other people's tunes at this point.

Maybe it's just my driving style and the very few Gr. 3 cars I have, but I find Daytona particularly difficult for this reason. If the transmission is setup properly it's really hard to keep pace due to power disparities, but if you've got the power you can dominate on the infield and get smoked on the ovals, or vice versa. I've won the race with Audi Gr 3 prize car, but it is the only race I've struggled to win and I think it's down to the weird PP system. It's great the PD wanted to bring more variables into PP, but we are now seeing that they've not figured out how to properly balance the system due to their being 6-8 more variables than in previous numbered GT titles. Given how slow they are to do, well, anything (lol) it could be many months before this is addressed.
 
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AlexWilmot
Does altering settings in suspension, aero, gearbox etc, alter the performance of a car on track? Yes, Yes it does...
Should the Performance Point system reflect this change? Yes, yes it should...

No no it shouldn’t

Suspension settings ride height camber spring rate dampers etc should NOT affect pp nor should gear ratio PP should only be calculated by weight vs power vs aero no other variables should be used as it stands you can find good settings just by watching the pp numbers no testing involved ruins the game there is no reason to pp race at all it is broken because changes to suspension settings alters pp when it should not will totally break online racing when you can add more power to you car by making it handle badly the system is broken
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@SwivelEydLoon Go do a lap with a car and only change front toe out at -1 then do one with +1 front toe in and tell me if the car handles differently and give a different lap time… it will,

Changing suspension settings changes the performance of a vehicle, hence why the performance points change

If people want to drive a car that handles badly for the sake of more power then let them, doesn’t mean they’ll win just because they have more power,

The system isn’t broken, it’s taking into a account a bad setup
 
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If you don't see what these calculations are based on and that it's the way it is at the moment ... I'm just sorry.

If I can, I use the system as it is and try to use it as optimally as possible. There is nothing to criticize about it.. it is how it is.
 
mrPetros
no further comments needed
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Well there are further comments, like he changes 6th gear to be ridiculously long, if you then change from 5th to 6th the car will feel like its "bogged" down, you are now accelerating at a rate that is ridiculously reduced compared to the first 5 gears and thus... here's the kicker... the performance of the vehicle has dropped! oh no so the Performance points have dropped again! so he can then add the extra power to for the PP limit, but lord help him if he ever needs 6th gear,

is this a cheat? no, is this an exploit? no, take this setup to any oval and it'll be dead last

Edit: also how is this a problem if you now know how it works? how is this broken as per the thread title? it isn't broken because of the change in the cars performance with outlandish things like an extremely long 6th gear
 
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AlexWilmot
Edit: also how is this a problem if you now know how it works? how is this broken as per the thread title? it isn't broken because of the change in the cars performance with outlandish things like an extremely long 6th gear
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Because PP doesn't change linearly. If you read back in the thread I gave a much more reasonable example that anyone can repeat themselves that shows just how quickly the PP can jump/drop. In the example I gave one single click up/down on 6th gear ratio (which has zero effect on actual performance) makes a 40+ PP difference. PD needs to go in and smooth-out these threshold/break-points and spread them out evenly.

It's mainly just the transmission that has this issue, at least to such a crazy extent. If that were fixed I think the rest of the tuning would be fine.
 
Pizzicato1985
In the example I gave one single click up/down on 6th gear ratio (which has zero effect on actual performance) makes a 40+ PP difference.
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It’s not a zero effect on performance as the ratio is different, even if it allows 1mph more in top speed, as insignificant as it may seem, it is still a change in performance not zero.

I could agree with you though on the amount of PP it changes could be the issue but we don’t know how it’s been calculated or being tested in the background doesn’t mean it’s broken or unfair
 
This entire thread should be in the GT7 bugs thread.

When an input can change the G level to 0 from 1.5, there's probably a math bug (or a few). All in all, I like the system and I like what it does. It's actually super helpful. Hopefully these bugs are addressed sooner rather than later.

Obviously, it doesn't crash the game, so it wasn't the #1 bug to fix, and they (very unfortunately) made credit farming a bigger issue. This should be #1 now.
 
Voodoovaj
This entire thread should be in the GT7 bugs thread.

When an input can change the G level to 0 from 1.5, there's probably a math bug (or a few). All in all, I like the system and I like what it does. It's actually super helpful. Hopefully these bugs are addressed sooner rather than later.

Obviously, it doesn't crash the game, so it wasn't the #1 bug to fix, and they (very unfortunately) made credit farming a bigger issue. This should be #1 now.
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It's not in the bugs thread because people here think PP still isn't broken.
 
Voodoovaj
Ya, I mean, it's not all broken, but there is definitely a math issue in there. I wouldn't be surprised to see a bunch of cars change PP (or or down) once that bug is fixed.
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Ya, it's the exploits, the more of them are found, the quicker the system is going to be seen as nothing but a broken mess. The OP is accurate thus far.
 
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very refreshing to see that there are people understanding the problem and not just defending polyphony's faults

I put it under the main thread and not under "bugs", because as I said in the first post I think it needs the most visibility possible, so that it may be addressed and fixed

if you guys think there is a more suitable place so that it gets fixed, be my guests and open it there👍
 
mrPetros
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very refreshing to see that there are people understanding the problem and not just defending polyphony's faults

I put it under the main thread and not under "bugs", because as I said in the first post I think it needs the most visibility possible, so that it may be addressed and fixed

if you guys think there is a more suitable place so that it gets fixed, be my guests and open it there👍
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Sigh… we’re not defending Polyphony’s faults because there is no fault with the PP system, nor a problem with it, if you actually read what we’ve said you’d understand the “issue” at hand and how setup changes would affect a cars performance, how a G rating at 150mph becomes 0 because that setup would never get to the speed hence why the simulation has given a 0…

Best of luck with your “issue” under bugs
 
AlexWilmot
Sigh… we’re not defending Polyphony’s faults because there is no fault with the PP system, nor a problem with it, if you actually read what we’ve said you’d understand the “issue” at hand and how setup changes would affect a cars performance, how a G rating at 150mph becomes 0 because that setup would never get to the speed hence why the simulation has given a 0…

Best of luck with your “issue” under bugs
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Why are you defending the game?

And, there is plenty of fault here.
 
wheelhp
Why are you defending the game?

And, there is plenty of fault here.
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He defends what he sees and because he understands why it is currently the way it is. He doesn't say that it's perfect and right... but many here simply can't think in such a differentiated way.
Others prefer to whine and talk nonsense instead of using the system where it can be used. It certainly won't stay like this forever.
 
xMAXIx79
He defends what he sees and because he understands why it is currently the way it is. He doesn't say that it's perfect and right... but many here simply can't think in such a differentiated way.
Others prefer to whine and talk nonsense instead of using the system where it can be used. It certainly won't stay like this forever.
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I dunno to me it seems like you're the one doing all the whining here....LOL let him speak for himself too. No need for you to speak on his behalf. He's got a mouth of his own...I wanted to hear him speak
 
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My problem is that PP sometimes doesn't work to match similar cars.
Without cheating or xploits, you can have a 620pp car and a 690pp car, both with the same power, tires and weight and both perform the same on the track, and a difference of 70pp is huge
 
Stakado
My problem is that PP sometimes doesn't work to match similar cars.
Without cheating or xploits, you can have a 620pp car and a 690pp car, both with the same power, tires and weight and both perform the same on the track, and a difference of 70pp is huge
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Yes and that difference is the suspension, gearing, ballast etc. the rest of the setup which we’ve been on about for 3pages now

wheelhp
I dunno to me it seems like you're the one doing all the whining here....LOL let him speak for himself too. No need for you to speak on his behalf. He's got a mouth of his own...I wanted to hear him speak
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Well first off you think I’m defending the game, I’m explaining the system, get it right,
Secondly what even is your post? It’s offering nothing on the table to engage with
 
AlexWilmot
Well first off you think I’m defending the game, I’m explaining the system, get it right,
Secondly what even is your post? It’s offering nothing on the table to engage with
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Sure thing buddy :D but you're wrong about this one. There's nothing left to discuss since the OP is simply correct

Enough about reading comments. Did you watch the video or skip it entirely due to your dislike of the content creator?
 
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xMAXIx79
He defends what he sees and because he understands why it is currently the way it is. He doesn't say that it's perfect and right... but many here simply can't think in such a differentiated way.
Others prefer to whine and talk nonsense instead of using the system where it can be used. It certainly won't stay like this forever.
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Hold on right there, did you see me "whine"? or "talk nonsense"?
I presented facts, that very clearly show how the system is broken.

You are just kidding yourself if you say that you are not defending while using words like "think in a differentiated way".
What you mean is exploiting the bugs

The videos I posted clearly show how you can manipulate the system and have an op car config that tops the leaderboards and races.

And the reason I posted it is exactly because I don't want to have to "play" with this buggy system for ever.
On the other hand, guys like you and that other wilmot dude, I have serious trouble believing that you want this fixed. When you say its not an issue and how properly the system works..!
 
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You're just not able to understand what others write, you're narrow-minded in your opinion and everything else doesn't count. There you go.. live so that you can think what you want, to discuss it rationally with you just doesn't make any sense. All I ask is that you just stop playing this totally buggy game. You're doing everyone a favor who likes to play it.

Bye
 
xMAXIx79
You're just not able to understand what others write, you're narrow-minded in your opinion and everything else doesn't count. There you go.. live so that you can think what you want, to discuss it rationally with you just doesn't make any sense. All I ask is that you just stop playing this totally buggy game. You're doing everyone a favor who likes to play it.

Bye
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it's funny when they can't see they're talking about themselves lol
 

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