Turn Microtransactions into Donation money for Instituto Ayrton Senna!

[bs13]

PD will not get a dime of my money for in game credits that I should be able to earn for a game that I already paid for. Dangling a carrot of any kind in front of these "macro transactions" will never entice me.

There is nothing micro about these transactions. You all just bought into the name .

 

[MattZR1]

Actually, I wouldn't mind at all if they did this. This is a brilliant idea, TC. 👍

 

[fm_1013]

I see a lot of "negativity" here; this is a good idea nonetheless, but i think it needs to be brainstormed so it could be possible to put in order.

No. It may be well-intentioned, but it's a terrible idea. What if I told you--I'm going to take some money from your bank account regularly, but don't worry, you can trust me. I'm going to donate it to a good cause. Would you be OK with that?

 

[Exorcet]

Paying for credits or content that should already be paid for by the initial purchase makes no sense. If they want donations, donate some of the game profits, or sell DLC with a donation amount in the pricetag (maybe a special edition car). This idea is bad because it's trying to legitimize the credit buying, which just can't be done.

 

[Swagger897]

No. It may be well-intentioned, but it's a terrible idea. What if I told you--I'm going to take some money from your bank account regularly, but don't worry, you can trust me. I'm going to donate it to a good cause. Would you be OK with that?

What is the difference between that statement, and the fact that PD paid probably a small sum for Senna's belongings and the rights to himself practically, to put it in a game and make millions? You're telling me that a few thousand is better than millions?

Even if that number (maybe more than a couple G's) is larger, smaller, it is unjustified that we will be. Barged, and they will know the masses will buy into it because it's Senna. We're talking about the death of one which is similar to a President, PM, or whatever position highly reputable buy masses..

The whole nation took off work for a week.... Only that we will ham him remembered as a $15 DLC... It's leaving quite the pungent feeling in my stomach thinking of it.

But for the most of us, we will remember him and the things he did to help millions. I do not mind to pay a price to be a part of a legend. I do mind to pay for something to fill the paycheck of one who can't get some 🤬 Sounds right..

Paying for credits or content that should already be paid for by the initial purchase makes no sense. If they want donations, donate some of the game profits, or sell DLC with a donation amount in the pricetag (maybe a special edition car). This idea is bad because it's trying to legitimize the credit buying, which just can't be done.

The idea that micro transactions are good at all for this instance is quite sickening. This is helping a foundation that reaches out to kids who helps education and other needs. If you choose not to buy it for the fact it's a donation, I say nothing about you that is negligent or shameful, that is your decision. I will not say what, how you should spend your money on. But if you do purchase it and wonder what exactly it's helping for, then that is all I think we want to see that are pro-whateverthisis is the fact you thought about the org and are somewhat curious about it...


I don't know if I'm overthinking this, but I see it as costs to do such actions are lower than the costs to maintain a virtual piece of capital good on a virtual store... Sorry, but that's my view

 

[fm_1013]

What is the difference between that statement, and the fact that PD paid probably a small sum for Senna's belongings and the rights to himself practically, to put it in a game and make millions? You're telling me that a few thousand is better than millions?

What does that have to do with anything?

But for the most of us, we will remember him and the things he did to help millions. I do not mind to pay a price to be a part of a legend. I do mind to pay for something to fill the paycheck of one who can't get some 🤬 Sounds right..

Still missing the point, by a long mile. This is not about Senna, or the Insitutute. This is about other people deciding what to do with your money. This is about regarding these "micro" transactions as inevitable, unavoidable. They are not.

 

[KWZX10]

Well, this is a nice dream...but nothing more.
Because dlc, microstransaction and all this stuff in the gaming world aren't there with good intentions.
It's just business, they're selling credits to get money, not to get money to help someone else.
The op is a nice person, but economy doesn't help nice people.
...Maybe i'm so negative just because of my $hitty country.

 

[fm_1013]

...Maybe i'm so negative just because of my $hitty country.

Maybe you are being realistic.

 

[Swagger897]

Maybe you are being realistic.

Well, this is a nice dream...but nothing more.
Because dlc, microstransaction and all this stuff in the gaming world aren't there with good intentions.
It's just business, they're selling credits to get money, not to get money to help someone else.
The op is a nice person, but economy doesn't help nice people.
...Maybe i'm so negative just because of my $hitty country.

Italy along with Greece and Spain I just don't see how people live there anymore not in debt or making money off the backs of others work...

 

[andre_pt]

No. It may be well-intentioned, but it's a terrible idea. What if I told you--I'm going to take some money from your bank account regularly, but don't worry, you can trust me. I'm going to donate it to a good cause. Would you be OK with that?

I understand what you're saying, we dont have proof that they actualy donate the money we give them. I didn't say it was a perfect idea tbf
I dont know really, in the end of the day, they DO take our money so...

 

[fm_1013]

I dont know really, in the end of the day, they DO take our money so...

No, they don't. Just don't buy credits.

 

[andre_pt]

Italy along with Greece and Spain I just don't see how people live there anymore not in debt or making money off the backs of others work...

Try to live in Portugal too...

 

[andre_pt]

No, they don't. Just don't buy credits.

You missed my point, didn't you buy the game?

 

[fm_1013]

You missed my point, didn't you buy the game?

You missed the point of the entire thread, which is about "micro" transactions. Charging you twice for the same content. No one has a problem with paying for the game once, and even paying for additional content. But paying for the game *and* to unlock the content that is already included, is wrong and insulting.

 

[Swagger897]

Try to live in Portugal too...

Haven't heard much of their fiscal situation so I didn't make a statement on them...

You missed the point of the entire thread, which is about "micro" transactions. Charging you twice for the same content. No one has a problem with paying for the game once, and even paying for additional content. But paying for the game *and* to unlock the content that is already included, is wrong and insulting.

If you are referring to the fact that PD showed clips of Ayrton in his car, by meaning that was already in the game, or along those lines, I can understand you. What I am taking more from that, is you say I pay full price for the DLC and then pay that price again to donate? No....

My idea of this whole thread (in my opinion as to what I'd like to see) was that when the Senna DLC is released, a royalty, pension, or entitled sum would be donated, rather than just the licensing cost. If we could get Senna's organization with us, (this will sound hypocritical of me) maybe we could pull an EA as with Porsche to keep his content with us? The way I see it, Forza has ALMS, CodeMasters has Formula 1, EA has Porsche, why not join the party to get Senna? (I am starting to think like my government. Ask for something and say you'll pay[at least pd would if so])

I do know one thing is that if anything would happen as described, Kaz would have to be gone, and Russia would be rated safest roads on the planet..

 

[fm_1013]

If you are referring to the fact that PD showed clips of Ayrton in his car, by meaning that was already in the game, or along those lines, I can understand you.

No, I'm not saying that. That's not what this thread is about.

My idea of this whole thread (in my opinion as to what I'd like to see) was that when the Senna DLC is released, a royalty, pension, or entitled sum would be donated, rather than just the licensing cost.

That is a different thread. Not this one. This one is about "micro" transactions. It's in the subject line, and in the first message. It's not a discussion about DLC.

 

[Swagger897]

No, I'm not saying that. That's not what this thread is about.



That is a different thread. Not this one. This one is about "micro" transactions. It's in the subject line, and in the first message. It's not a discussion about DLC.

This thread is actually about how micro-transactions are adding a negative impact to video games and people distrust gaming companies. The dependent variable of this thread is that the Senna institute is in a partnership with PD for the licensing deal for Senna's property, now owned by his organization. It's in the third paragraph, ninth line, tenth sentence if you can't find it.

The the dependent variable of that is this entirety of the threads opinion as to changing micro-transactions into donations, full, or percentages of the profit to the non-profit organization... A micro-transaction requires a transactions between two goods; in this case, a dollar bill, euro, mark, yen, yang whatever - and a good that is being bartered with the medium of exchange. So far, over 39 confirmed people like the fact that these DLC transactions (otherwise, what the hell am I buying? Lingerie?) should incorporate a percentage of the profit donated to the organization.

If you need to read the OP, and me bolden the above remarks, I'll gladly make a Microsoft word document and upload it here..

 

[GTP_Remo]

Please stop calling it micro-transactions. $50 is anying but micro, its damn near the whole F'ing cost of the game to purchased.... . Micro my ass......

 

[fm_1013]

This thread is actually about how micro-transactions are adding a negative impact to video games and people distrust gaming companies.

Incorrect. The original poster does not say anything about being opposed to "micro" transactions. The very first sentence is: "I have seen a lot of negativity concerning the micro-transaction model that has been put for GT6, but I really wanted to see this business model put to good use."

The the dependent variable of that is this entirety of the threads opinion as to changing micro-transactions into donations, full, or percentages of the profit to the non-profit organization...

And that's a faulty assumption. Deceptive, even. We do not have to accept "micro" transactions are inevitable. They are a variable, too. They can go away.

So far, over 39 confirmed people like the fact that these DLC transactions (otherwise, what the hell am I buying? Lingerie?) should incorporate a percentage of the profit donated to the organization.

Wrong again. We are not talking about DLC ("Downloadable content"). We are not talking about new tracks or new cars. That is NOT what these "micro" transactions are about. They are about paying real money to unlock content that is already included in the product your purchased. You seem to be confused about these basic concepts.

Please stop calling it micro-transactions. $50 is anying but micro, its damn near the whole F'ing cost of the game to purchased.... . Micro my ass......

Indeed. Except, unlocking a 20M-credit virtual car would cost you almost $150, which is significantly more than the $60 you pay for the entire game at launch.

 

[Swagger897]

Incorrect. The original poster does not say anything about being opposed to "micro" transactions. The very first sentence is: "I have seen a lot of negativity concerning the micro-transaction model that has been put for GT6, but I really wanted to see this business model put to good use."

The OP and myself say nothing about being opposed to these MT's. Clearly for the third time, we both sate that we would like to see the MT's used as donations to the organization whom PD is working with.

I understand what you're saying, we dont have proof that they actualy donate the money we give them. I didn't say it was a perfect idea tbf
I dont know really, in the end of the day, they DO take our money so...

No, they don't. Just don't buy credits.

You missed the point of the entire thread, which is about "micro" transactions. Charging you twice for the same content. No one has a problem with paying for the game once, and even paying for additional content. But paying for the game *and* to unlock the content that is already included, is wrong and insulting.

You are missing the entire point of the thread. One man above states that the money may or may not go to the org. You come back with your own idea of what this thread is not about, now claiming you own this idea..

The whole point of this thread clearly from the beginning, was turning the profit of micro-transactions for DLC, into donations for the Senna org (it's the frickin title man).... I don't know what else to say to this as stupidity has gotten too out of hand...

 

[fm_1013]

You are missing the entire point of the thread. One man above states that the money may or may not go to the org. You come back with your own idea of what this thread is not about, now claiming you own this idea..

Are you being dense on purpose? I do not own any idea, but I do know how to read the title of this thread and the original post, stating its intentions. Which are perfectly clear.

Again: This thread is about using the money from "micro" transactions for a good cause, like the Instituto Senna. And my point (and others') is--that is not acceptable, for a number of reasons. i.e., using "micro" transactions for ANY charity would still be wrong.

It's not a question of deciding where the money should go. It's a question of not taking money this way, in the first place.

The whole point of this thread clearly from the beginning, was turning the profit of micro-transactions for DLC

WRONG. As I already pointed out, "micro" transactions and DLC are two completely different things, and you keep confusing them.

DLC has been around for a while, and will continue to be around for a while. These are expansions to the original game. New and additional content. Purchased separately from the original game. Get it?

"micro" transactions are a scam. It's about charging people twice for the same thing, and/or to unlock the product they have already paid for.

 

[Swagger897]

WRONG. As I already pointed out, "micro" transactions and DLC are two completely different things, and you keep confusing them.

DLC has been around for a while, and will continue to be around for a while. These are expansions to the original game. New and additional content. Purchased separately from the original game. Get it?

"micro" transactions are a scam. It's about charging people twice for the same thing, and/or to unlock the product they have already paid for.

The whole point of this thread clearly from the beginning, was turning the profit of micro-transactions for DLC, into donations for the Senna org (it's the frickin title man).... I don't know what else to say to this as stupidity has gotten too out of hand...

Why don't you read the whole sentence jackass....

 

[Snaeper]

Swagger, having looked over the debate between the two of you, I have to say that you brought up DLC first when everyone else was talking about micro-transactions. Considering your description, I do not think this was a typo on your part, as you seemed to genuinely be describing DLC. As a result, you and others have since been confused about which one you're talking about.

Take a breather, come back and re-read fm_'s argument from his perspective. While I don't admit to enjoying the tone of his words any more than you do, he's not wrong.

fm_ you introduced the ethical and moral questions into this thread, so please understand that others might get confused as that was not the point of the thread's topic. They're not here to debate the possible ethics of a company, nor whether or not micro transactions are a good or bad thing. They're talking about wanting to turn micro transactions into donations for the Senna Institute, there's really no need to add much more to that.

Additionally, if you want someone to understand your point, don't talk down to them and write WRONG. You'd be surprised at how people respond when they feel their opinion is shown some semblance of respect, they might actually listen to you instead of resorting to expletives.

 

[Wardez]

Why don't you read the whole sentence jackass....

Why don't you take a breather? No matter how right or wrong you are, no need to try and get personal.

Swagger, having looked over the debate between the two of you, I have to say that you brought up DLC first when everyone else was talking about micro-transactions. Considering your description, I do not think this was a typo on your part, as you seemed to genuinely be describing DLC. As a result, you and others have since been confused about which one you're talking about.

Take a breather, come back and re-read fm_'s argument from his perspective. While I don't admit to enjoying the tone of his words any more than you do, he's not wrong.

fm_ you introduced the ethical and moral questions into this thread, so please understand that others might get confused as that was not the point of the thread's topic. They're not here to debate the possible ethics of a company, nor whether or not micro transactions are a good or bad thing. They're talking about wanting to turn micro transactions into donations for the Senna Institute, there's really no need to add much more to that.

Additionally, if you want someone to understand your point, don't talk down to them and write WRONG. You'd be surprised at how people respond when they feel their opinion is shown some semblance of respect, they might actually listen to you instead of resorting to expletives.

And this^

I don't want to have to come in here again and solve things for you guys, please be more civil.

 

[fm_1013]

fm_ you introduced the ethical and moral questions into this thread, so please understand that others might get confused as that was not the point of the thread's topic.

Huh? Seems to me, if the question is how to use the "micro" transactions, whether it's moral or not to use them at all is implicit, and quite relevant.

They're not here to debate the possible ethics of a company, nor whether or not micro transactions are a good or bad thing. They're talking about wanting to turn micro transactions into donations for the Senna Institute, there's really no need to add much more to that

The original poster referred to the "negativity concerning the micro-transaction model" from the start. Isn't it relevant to question WHY there is such a negative response to this "model"? Especially when the proposed solution does not address the real problem.

Let's pretend for a moment, for the sake of the argument, that "micro" transactions are illegal. What would be the point of discussing how to distribute the profits? I know they are not illegal, but maybe they should be. To many people, they are very offensive. Donating the profits to a good cause is not going to fix that, because the fundamental damage is done.

Now, if you want to talk about a DLC dedicated to Senna, and maybe donate the profits from that DLC to his institute, awesome! But that has absolutely nothing to do with "micro" transactions.

Additionally, if you want someone to understand your point, don't talk down to them and write WRONG.

You know that is not how it started. I tried to be reasonable and give him the benefit of the doubt, but I am human.

 

[GolimLongshanks]

It's really very simple people,

just say no to micro transactions. The charitable donations are just a red herring.

 

[Azure Flare]

Warning, profanity:



The best argument for GT6 "microtransactions" I have ever heard.

 

[andre_pt]

You missed the point of the entire thread, which is about "micro" transactions. Charging you twice for the same content. No one has a problem with paying for the game once, and even paying for additional content. But paying for the game *and* to unlock the content that is already included, is wrong and insulting.

But i agree with you!
I'm just trying to say that it would be a good thing if these micro-transactions were donations, they would change the payout in-game for a better one like in GT5 but if you wanted to, you could donate trough micro-transactions.

 

[DonJo76]

I have seen a lot of negativity concerning the micro-transaction model that has been put for GT6, but I really wanted to see this business model put to good use. Microtransaction is essentially, whether you disagree or not, paying to earn more. Sort of like a sponsorship deal, sort of like bribery. But simply giving money to earn virtual currency seems a little daft. I tried brainstorming on how the model can be turned around for the better which was when I thought about charities and donation funds.

The reformed model is simple. It doesn't involve the user from buying with their money, the user donates with their money. It doesn't go to a selfish, greedy cause for the user, it goes to worthy NGO. And the best part, you get rewarded for your efforts, and the NGO is rewarded from your philantrophy as well.

With Polyphony Digital now entering a partnership deal with Instituto Ayrton Senna, it would make a great opportunity to turn the purpose of microtransactions around. The goal of that institute is to grow human development for children in education, something that Senna personally dreamed of for the nation of Brazil, so it is a fantastic cause as Ayrton Senna has always wanted to chase that dream.

Currently the institute has a complicated process to receive donations from outside the country. With GT6 players coming from many places in the world, the best opportunity now is through GT6. So would this reformed microtransaction model benefit everyone involved?

Let me get one thing clear, im enjoying the game for what it is( not much compared to the other gt series i.e content)

A good idea???
And why is that?
Dont forget people, its a game!
If you want to donate do so!
The most expensive MT is 50 euros, as much as the game itself!
And you get 7.000.000 credits. Its a rip off!
Why?
Because even the silly special racesuits can cost you as much as 100.000 to 500.00 ingame credits!
And im not even talking about the rest of this new gt economy.
Wtf, didnt know that there was a economycrisis in gt world!
Are you people sleeping????
If they charge as much as this, they should at least consider to put this money in there own buisness, (hiring more people maybe???)
give me a break!!!!!!

 

[Jawehawk]

The best argument for GT6 "microtransactions" I have ever heard.

Really? I had a hard time comprehending the stupidity he was letting out.
Here's a thought. You paid for the game, so perhaps grinding simply shouldn't be necessary by default 💡
It's called good game design. Although PD isn't really into that.

But then again, why would they do that, when they can get people to actually shell out insane amounts of money to buy in-game currency. He talks about "homeless" people being losers and spending all their time on a game, yet he spends actual money for fictional money. I think I spot the problem here...