U.S. Caves In!!!

[milefile]

You may have heard that a U.S. reconnisance plane in international air space over the sea of Japan was tailed for twenty minutes by North Korean fighters who, at times, flew within 50 feet of the U.S. plane. Almost a repeat of the China incident a couple years ago.

The N. Korean fighters also locked on to the U.S. aircraft with a specialized type of radar that is only used when about to shoot a plane down... an aggressive, provocative move.

Combine this with their kicking UN nuclear monitors out of the country, restarting nuclear reactors presumably to produce plutonium, and their firing a missle into the sea of Japan to coincide with the elections in S. Korea and you have a pretty bad situation by just about any estimation.

What irks me is that the U.S. has suspended reconnisance flights on the route where they were recently tailed by N. Korean Mig Fighters. This amounts to caving in. Bush refuses to negotiate with them, but will let them scare the airforce off.

It's starting to look like N. Korea could become a much bigger problem than Iraq, for the time being, and that the Bush administration is in denial.

I can't believe we caved in to that harassment. I think it sends a very bad message to anyone thinking they can **** with the U.S.

 

[DGB454]

Possibly we don't want to do anything their till we finish a Iraq. No point getting into 2 wars at once.
Just a thought.

 

[milefile]

It still makes us look weak. What ever happened to being able to conduct two wars on opposite sides of the planet, and win both?

But that's not even the important thing... The Bush administration may be thinking that, but since they're the ones trying to diffuse the crisis, and N. Korea is trying to escalate it, N. Korea is in control.

The U.S. proved this and I think it's pretty pathetic and embarrasing (I'd love to hear what's being discussed in military barracksright now). Maybe they should ship everyone and everything to N. Korea and surround that ****-hole country and show them they can't be this way or their very existence will be threatened. What the hell is Iraq going to do? They're paralyzed anyway.

 

[epic]

If we have 2 wars at once GT4 will never come out in America

 

[milefile]

Oh my God he's right!!

STOP THE MADNESS!!!

 

[DGB454]

What? Is this true? When did this happen?

 

[made in holland]

I just read that the U.S. sends 24 B-1 and B-52 bombers to the North-Korean region to support the troops allready in that region.

So it seems they are not really caving in.

 

[Magic069]

Well if the Bush administration does what it promises the "war" in Iraq will only last two-five days tops.

Maybe the idea is to get in, get out, then move on to N. Korea.

Plus, Bush is having a hard enough time getting support for the war with Iraq.

 

[Solid Fro]

The US knows that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Why start a nuclear conflict just over a RC-135-S reconnaissance plane. Once North Korea sees what the US can do in Iraq, they will step down from its aggressive tactics.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by DGB454
Possibly we don't want to do anything their till we finish a Iraq. No point getting into 2 wars at once.
Just a thought.

Yeah, look at WW2...

The main reason why the US doesn't want to rush in is because if NK ends up launching one of their nukes and detonating it something like over a mile high in the atmosphere, it would disable all of the SMART bombs we have, as well as a lot of other electronics that we rely on. So we're trying to do what we can without shooting ourselves in the foot.

I honestly think that the EMP would be more devastating for the world than 1 nuclear explosion on the ground. Just my opinion...

 

[Concept]

This is off-topic but I want to say it. I've always thought Canada was the U.S.'s right hand country. They've never opposed us. This time they are not supporting us with Iraq.

Has anyone noticed that nobody evers screws with Canada and Australia? I so wish I lived in one of the two places. Living in the U.S. pisses me off. Bush blows and he makes our country look like more of a bully than it already is.

 

[Gil]

When I was in the Med in the early 1980's there was a story about two Iraqui (or some other small country). fighter planes "hassling" an American Lear or Gulfstream that happened to be in the area. (Maybe it was SECNAV). An F-14 with a full load out did a fly-by and flipped his belly to the the two harrassers.
They did the smart thing and Ran Away.

Where is the respect we used to get?

 

[epic]

We have those stealth jets so they think we are scared to let them know we are coming

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Magic069
Well if the Bush administration does what it promises the "war" in Iraq will only last two-five days tops.

Maybe the idea is to get in, get out, then move on to N. Korea.

Plus, Bush is having a hard enough time getting support for the war with Iraq.

He'd have a lot more support for N. Korea, excluding China. But they're all talk. Even China would like to see N. Korea go away.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
The US knows that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Why start a nuclear conflict just over a RC-135-S reconnaissance plane. Once North Korea sees what the US can do in Iraq, they will step down from its aggressive tactics.

I think they already know. But in N. Korea the population only knows what the dictatorship wants them to know. If they are all convinced that they could stand a chance against the U.S., they'd actually fight, unlike Iraq who just surrendered first chance they had. Thye wouldn't win but they'd make it a bloody mess. They're just crazy.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by rjensen11
Yeah, look at WW2...

The main reason why the US doesn't want to rush in is because if NK ends up launching one of their nukes and detonating it something like over a mile high in the atmosphere, it would disable all of the SMART bombs we have, as well as a lot of other electronics that we rely on. So we're trying to do what we can without shooting ourselves in the foot.

I honestly think that the EMP would be more devastating for the world than 1 nuclear explosion on the ground. Just my opinion...

EMP?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by epic
We have those stealth jets so they think we are scared to let them know we are coming

Those stealth jets win wars before anyone even knows they started. Let them think what they want.

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by milefile
I think they already know. But in N. Korea the population only knows what the dictatorship wants them to know. If they are all convinced that they could stand a chance against the U.S., they'd actually fight, unlike Iraq who just surrendered first chance they had. Thye wouldn't win but they'd make it a bloody mess. They're just crazy.

Where was it I heard the Iraq soldiers were equiping themselves with white flags?(seriously)

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
Where was it I heard the Iraq soldiers were equiping themselves with white flags?(seriously)

Mother of all surrenders

 

[Red Eye Racer]

NK is gonna level our arses when we got our backs turned in Iraq,.... I can see a "kamakazi" type scenereo.

NK thinks that if they level us hard enough,... others will see our vulnerability (asian nations) and exploit it. This could very well be the end of America as THE super-power, if they do it right.

 

[milefile]

I believe that's what they want. But there's no way it could happen. It's not just the U.S. against them, no matter how they portray it. The whole world wants their nuclear capability gone, even China.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
Possibly we don't want to do anything their till we finish a Iraq. No point getting into 2 wars at once.
Just a thought.

Not only that, but Korea really isn't a threat. They want to start a fight, and they're doing everything to get a fight started - why give them more ammo?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by M5Power
Not only that, but Korea really isn't a threat. They want to start a fight, and they're doing everything to get a fight started - why give them more ammo?

They are showing they don't need any more ammo. They keep escalating the situation for no apparent reason other than they want to. And 24 long range bombers moved to the area could easily be seen as "more ammo" by them.

I heard yesterday that they have pulled this crap before, and sometime in the early seventies (late sixties?) they actually shot down a U.S. plane. But it was noted that they have never persisted like this before.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile
They are showing they don't need any more ammo. They keep escalating the situation for no apparent reason other than they want to. And 24 long range bombers moved to the area could easily be seen as "more ammo" by them.

Exactly - so let's just defuse the situation by not caring any longer. Let them build nuclear weapons if they want to. Why not? They're not much of a threat.

 

[milefile]

I dunno. I think any despotic regime with nuclear weapons is a threat, and not only to the U.S.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by milefile
I dunno. I think any despotic regime with nuclear weapons is a threat, and not only to the U.S.

Oh yeah,... any nukes NK blowes up will be aimed at the US in Iraq, or any one of it's alies in asia or europe. I dont think they'll send one to the americas'.

 

[milefile]

They'd never have a chance to see their accomplishment.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile
They'd never have a chance to see their accomplishment.

Same with Iraq.

 

[milefile]

Only Iraq has no long range missles or nuclear war heads.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Yep,. NK is a much bigger threat at the moment. How about we pass off Iraq to the alies and handle NK ourselves,... which, btw, is how they've requested us to handle it (minus the leave Iraq part).